Official Response to Scam Warning

brainstorm · 04-28-2004, 02:40 AM

OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM FASTDOMAINSALES

Several our visitors informed us about this scam.

First of all, we want to thank the Norwegian provider for closing his email accounts. Hope it will help to stop this guy.

We did not authorize this person (email address ceo@livsntre.com) to use our company name in his promotional emails. I think other companies did not authorize him too. He is not our affiliate.

At this moment our security department and lawyers are trying to find his real address and start a lwasuit against this person sending fake emails that ruins our reputation.

Please read the following information. It will help you to avoid mistakes

Their motive... It's looking like they work for the competitor to ruin the reputation of FastDomainSales.com, HollywoodDomains and others sites mentioned in his letter. Perhaps he is hired by one of our competitors. Someone last year tried to get a forum thread started about this, at HollywoodDomains.com ,but it never took off , so apparently they are not involved ,but a victim as well .

How to avoid being a victim : If a potential buyer asks you to provide an independant appraisal especially one like the above..Suggest to them to purchase the appraisal themselves and if they buy ,you will deduct the cost
of the appraisal from the sale price .

It's very easy to stop this guy.

NEVER ORDER APPRAISALS AFTER RECEIVING SUCH REQUESTS. ASK YOUR BUYER TO ORDER THIS SERVICE HIMSELF/HERSELF.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/28599-official-response-to-scam-warning.html

Sincerely,

Andrew Gordon

FastDomainSales Team

***armstrong*** · 04-28-2004, 03:01 AM

You can't disassociate yourself from these scammers so easily. This has been going on for too long, and you are the direct benefactor of this scam, since as you say these spammers were not your affiliates. We challenge you to do two things:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=28599

- post a public warning on your website's homepage about this scam; your exact words will do nicely:

Quote:

NEVER ORDER APPRAISALS AFTER RECEIVING SUCH REQUESTS. ASK YOUR BUYER TO ORDER THIS SERVICE HIMSELF/HERSELF

- offer refunds to our members who were taken by this scam

Can you do these, or will you continue profitting from this domain appraisal scam?

suthra · 04-28-2004, 03:18 AM

I agree with armstrong. several sites puts a disclaimer including yahoo in their main page, like, do not believe in emails that arrive from their domain as support@yahoo.com etc. Likewise you can put a disclaimer on your main page.

activeco · 04-28-2004, 03:53 PM

A nice try.

pelican · 04-29-2004, 09:48 AM

This guy definitely trying to disassociate from the scam. I TOTALLY DONT BELIEVE this guy is not part of the scam.

Unless he refunds those appraisal fee that members fell in unwillingly, else FastDomainSales is always part of the SCAM.

Bill1 · 05-01-2004, 03:36 PM

HE is definately a SCAM!!! his lawyers are filing a lawsuit? my ass!!!
i dont believe that bullshit!!

RJ · 05-01-2004, 03:50 PM

Is it even possible to file a lawsuit against yourself?

http://www.whois.sc/fastdomainsales.com
http://www.whois.sc/allfordomains.com

csmaster2005 · 05-01-2004, 03:55 PM

also, is it even possible to figure out a real home address from a free public email address?

activeco · 05-03-2004, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by -RJ-
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=28599
Is it even possible to file a lawsuit against yourself?

http://www.whois.sc/fastdomainsales.com
http://www.whois.sc/allfordomains.com

Don't forget

Everydayincome.com
Softforces.com
Notvirtualcard(s).com

and probably more from the same guys.

pelican · 05-03-2004, 08:15 AM

now he runs away with his attempt to clean his reputation.

Bakki · 06-16-2004, 06:53 PM

This time, his name is Marc Miller.

Here are the two mails I've received from him today, headers included. If you look closely, you'll see that the poor bastard uses a dialup in Russia.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=28599

Quote:

[...]
Received: from toughguy.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103])
by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 77AB8611BBC
for <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:25:48 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mmiller (ppp101-11.dialup.mtu-net.ru [212.188.101.11])
by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 876B81A0203
for <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:03:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Marc Miller" <mmiller@toughguy.net>
To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: XXXXXXXXXX (sent 06/16/04)
X-Mailer: NetMasters SMTP Demo
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Message-Id: <20040616180337.876B81A0203@smtp-1.hotpop.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:03:37 +0000 (UTC)
X-HotPOP: -----------------------------------------------
Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email
Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com
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Hi there,

Have found your name listed for sale.

Is this domain still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other buyers?

If it's still available for sale please email me your asking price.

If you have other good domains for sale feel free to email me the full list with asking prices.

If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please don't send me multiple emails if you don't receive a reply from me and keep my email address confidential.
Just email me your asking price. If I decide to buy I will contact you as soon as possible.

I run a software development company. We provide custom software development in Linux, Windows XP, MS Access, MS SQL, PHP and Delphi for our clients in USA, Hong Kong, UK and Switzerland. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to
invest free money and make some income.

Kindest regards,

Marc Miller

CEO

MCSE, MCSD

Quote:

[...]
Received: from toughguy.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103])
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=28599
by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CDEA95ECA48
for <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:57:11 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from 040e125e5a894b5 (unknown [213.140.225.205])
by smtp-3.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CC47FF97A2B
for <xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:06:05 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <03d101c453f2$bf427090$cde18cd5@040e125e5a894b5>
From: "M Miller" <mmiller@toughguy.net>
To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: XXXXXX (sent 06/16/04)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:39:10 +0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1193
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Is it a developed site or just a domain name? We are mostly interested in
domains without web content.

If you have no site (domain name only) I need an appraisal before making an
offer.

Our partners (webmasters and domain owners) always recommend us to verify an
independent appraisal first. It would be fair for both of us.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your name? Please note that I don't
trust free or unprofessional appraisals. It can be an appraisal certificate
from www.FastDomainSales.com or www.GreatDomains.com or
www.HollywoodDomains.com. It does not matter because they were recommended
to me by experienced experts.

After I receive your appraisal we'll continue negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: PayPal, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply.

Best regards,

Marc Miller

CEO

MCSD, MSCE

Anthony · 06-16-2004, 06:56 PM

The NP Investigators are at it again! Tracking down the scammers. [Cue theme music...]

Blackpanther · 06-16-2004, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by csmaster2005
also, is it even possible to figure out a real home address from a free public email address?

Yes you would be amazed at the type of information you may be able to find on a person with just thier email address...

johnny6 · 06-17-2004, 07:40 AM

how come their "official" response has so many typos and misspelled words? reminds me a lot of the appraisal scammer - he can't spell worth a crap either.

*vwblubug* · 06-17-2004, 08:52 AM

<-----Idiot that fell for this scam & actually purchased 2 appraisals
from these people.

This guy is lying- he would have defended himself by now!

Flash81 · 07-12-2004, 08:25 PM

Just to let everyone know, this guy is still active. I received the exact same e-mail this past weekend.

For a moment, I thought I might have had an actual prospect. Oh, well...

Thanks to NamePros for bringing this one to light.

Mike

Adi · 07-12-2004, 11:08 PM

i received an email to but i entered his name and the title in google and found many "scamming" things about him

adi

Badger · 08-20-2004, 02:38 AM

oops posted in wrong place

arktow · 03-21-2005, 09:17 PM

Same scammer.
NS3.FASTDOMAINSALES.COM
NS5.ALLFORDOMAINS.COM
NS.SOFTFORCES.COM

.X. · 03-21-2005, 09:22 PM

Why does he act so humble in his e-mails **SCAM**

**Dave Zan** · 03-22-2005, 06:58 AM

He's still at it, huh? Unless s/he's arrested, I guess this scam won't die.

suthra · 03-22-2005, 07:17 AM

But on what grounds will he be arrested??. This f*c*er sends mail as if he is willing to buy the domain after an appraisal?.

Maybe he can be charged for spam

webmark · 03-22-2005, 03:01 PM

If he is in russia you can bet that nothing will be done about it anyway, has anyone else been tracking the allofmp3.com saga??

Kodeking · 03-22-2005, 03:16 PM

How about you reply to them saying that you know about the scam and would just like to transfer the money directly to his bank account instead of wasting time "laundering" the money. Then, when he sends the bank details, take all of his money. Easy as pie. It will teach him a lesson.

I do not actually condone stealing, but it would be funny.

redhippo · 03-22-2005, 03:17 PM

hmmm..this is an old thread but it seems these guys are getting "smarter"

04-28-2004, 02:40 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
brainstorm NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 42	Official Response to Scam Warning OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM FASTDOMAINSALES Several our visitors informed us about this scam. First of all, we want to thank the Norwegian provider for closing his email accounts. Hope it will help to stop this guy. We did not authorize this person (email address ceo@livsntre.com) to use our company name in his promotional emails. I think other companies did not authorize him too. He is not our affiliate. At this moment our security department and lawyers are trying to find his real address and start a lwasuit against this person sending fake emails that ruins our reputation. Please read the following information. It will help you to avoid mistakes Their motive... It's looking like they work for the competitor to ruin the reputation of FastDomainSales.com, HollywoodDomains and others sites mentioned in his letter. Perhaps he is hired by one of our competitors. Someone last year tried to get a forum thread started about this, at HollywoodDomains.com ,but it never took off , so apparently they are not involved ,but a victim as well . How to avoid being a victim : If a potential buyer asks you to provide an independant appraisal especially one like the above..Suggest to them to purchase the appraisal themselves and if they buy ,you will deduct the cost of the appraisal from the sale price . It's very easy to stop this guy. NEVER ORDER APPRAISALS AFTER RECEIVING SUCH REQUESTS. ASK YOUR BUYER TO ORDER THIS SERVICE HIMSELF/HERSELF. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/28599-official-response-to-scam-warning.html Sincerely, Andrew Gordon FastDomainSales Team

04-28-2004, 03:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
suthra Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,656	I agree with armstrong. several sites puts a disclaimer including yahoo in their main page, like, do not believe in emails that arrive from their domain as support@yahoo.com etc. Likewise you can put a disclaimer on your main page. __________________ A single smile can be a solution to several problems.:) www.adult.ec is for Sale! Why not make an Offer?

04-29-2004, 09:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
pelican NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NeonHQ.com Posts: 939	This guy definitely trying to disassociate from the scam. I TOTALLY DONT BELIEVE this guy is not part of the scam. Unless he refunds those appraisal fee that members fell in unwillingly, else FastDomainSales is always part of the SCAM. __________________ NeonHQ, Your Friendly and Affordable Webhosting Provider www.NeonHQ.com InfoHQ@NeonHQ.com Look at some of the domains we sell www.NeonHQ.com/domainlist.php

05-01-2004, 03:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Admin Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,919 Follow @DomainBuyer	Is it even possible to file a lawsuit against yourself? http://www.whois.sc/fastdomainsales.com http://www.whois.sc/allfordomains.com __________________ Reach me at rj at namepros dot com

05-03-2004, 08:15 AM	#10 (permalink)
pelican NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NeonHQ.com Posts: 939	now he runs away with his attempt to clean his reputation. __________________ NeonHQ, Your Friendly and Affordable Webhosting Provider www.NeonHQ.com InfoHQ@NeonHQ.com Look at some of the domains we sell www.NeonHQ.com/domainlist.php

Official Response to Scam Warning

FastDomainSales scam continues...

He's back

04-28-2004, 03:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
activeco NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Milky Way Posts: 157	A nice try.

05-01-2004, 03:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bill1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,861	HE is definately a SCAM!!! his lawyers are filing a lawsuit? my ass!!! i dont believe that bullshit!!

05-01-2004, 03:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
csmaster2005 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 1,985	also, is it even possible to figure out a real home address from a free public email address?

06-16-2004, 06:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
Anthony NamePros Expert Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 9,132	The NP Investigators are at it again! Tracking down the scammers. [Cue theme music...]

06-17-2004, 07:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
johnny6 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,134	how come their "official" response has so many typos and misspelled words? reminds me a lot of the appraisal scammer - he can't spell worth a crap either. __________________ Find the best property managers

06-17-2004, 08:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
vwblubug NamePros Supporter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: TX Posts: 1,813	<-----Idiot that fell for this scam & actually purchased 2 appraisals from these people. This guy is lying- he would have defended himself by now! __________________ elbowroom.com cubanita.org* CubanSandwichShop.com* Qban.net* RainbowAndRain.com

07-12-2004, 08:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
Flash81 NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 171	He's back Just to let everyone know, this guy is still active. I received the exact same e-mail this past weekend. For a moment, I thought I might have had an actual prospect. Oh, well... Thanks to NamePros for bringing this one to light. Mike __________________ www.comictreadmill.com

07-12-2004, 11:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
Adi NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 112	i received an email to but i entered his name and the title in google and found many "scamming" things about him adi __________________ GreatDomains.me - It could be yours!!!

08-20-2004, 02:38 AM	#18 (permalink)
Badger Ravaged By Age Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8 Posts: 3,502	oops posted in wrong place __________________ iMODO :: ErrorMatic :: AdShack :: NameMart :: DomainPress :: XYZ digital media solutions Last edited by collieri; 08-20-2004 at 02:44 AM.

03-21-2005, 09:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
arktow New Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3	Same scammer. NS3.FASTDOMAINSALES.COM NS5.ALLFORDOMAINS.COM NS.SOFTFORCES.COM

03-21-2005, 09:22 PM	#20 (permalink)
.X. Revolution Calling! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NamePros Avenue Posts: 5,920	Why does he act so humble in his e-mails SCAM

03-22-2005, 06:58 AM	#21 (permalink)
Dave Zan Electrifying Guy Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,827 Follow @DaveZan	He's still at it, huh? Unless s/he's arrested, I guess this scam won't die. __________________ *Vidi, Vici, Veni!* Follow My Tweets \| Check My Blog

03-22-2005, 07:17 AM	#22 (permalink)
suthra Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,656	But on what grounds will he be arrested??. This fcer sends mail as if he is willing to buy the domain after an appraisal?. Maybe he can be charged for spam __________________ A single smile can be a solution to several problems.:) www.adult.ec is for Sale! Why not make an Offer?

03-22-2005, 03:01 PM	#23 (permalink)
webmark NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 234	If he is in russia you can bet that nothing will be done about it anyway, has anyone else been tracking the allofmp3.com saga??

03-22-2005, 03:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
redhippo NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ANForum Posts: 5,218	hmmm..this is an old thread but it seems these guys are getting "smarter" __________________ \|www.vb-skins.com\|- Quality Premade Vbulletin skins for Your VB forum makeover \|www.Banjir.com\|-Free image hosting?[B]For Sale!\|AlphaScripts\|Money Generating Scripts FREE VB Skins

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