Religious Question.

Humdizzy · 06-04-2005, 08:22 PM

I know this is a sensitive topic, but I must ask someone.

In religion class I have been taught that God created everything and he created everything good.

My question is. How was the devil created and why is he not good if God created everything and everything good.

Second question is

I was also taught God planned everything. So God planned for people to do bad? Also he planned for Eve to eat the apple?
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Those were just two questions I keep asking myself over and over again. I even asked my religion teacher and her answers dont answer anything. She just makes up something that comes to her head. I would be glad if someone could answer or clearify things for me.

Stephen · 06-04-2005, 08:26 PM

He created everything good, yes. However, he created them with "free will" as well.

Satan got jealous, and tried to put himself on God's throne, so therefore was cast to earth, where he tempted the sinless (at that time) Adam and Eve to eat the apple.

Think that explains it.

LeeRyder · 06-04-2005, 08:27 PM

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In religion class I have been taught that Good created everything and he created everything good.

this is meant as everything "Ethereal", not hyper dimensional... such as angels..etc. nor does it mean man. man being created with free will (as angels) to decide our own fate.

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I was also taught God planned everything. So God planned for people to do bad? Also he planned for Eve to eat the apple?

this is incorrect. When in Doubt, consult the ultimate authority and ask the claiment to "show you" where it says that in the Bible.
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Anyways, While he didn't "plan" everything.. he does know the outcome. to grasp this.. you really need to think in a 4th dimensional mindset.. a task well suited to people under 12.. but learnable by older folks as well lol

Humdizzy · 06-04-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Steveh

He created everything good, yes. However, he created them with "free will" as well.

He got jealous, and tried to put himself on God's throne, so therefore was cast to earth, where he tempted the sinless (at that time) Adam and Eve to eat the apple.
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Think that explains it.

NVM. Ok so why cant God just destroy the devil then if he causes so many bad things to happen? He is God. I mean he has the power to do anything. Also if we had Free Will and there were no devil then nothing we would do would be wrong right? Im assuming.

LeeRyder · 06-04-2005, 08:31 PM

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Not really cause then God planned for that to happen

your setting up your question.
he didnt plan for it to happen, he KNEW it would happen.

Dont load your sentences.

Stephen · 06-04-2005, 08:31 PM

To clarify

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So God planned for people to do bad? Also he planned for Eve to eat the apple?

No, he didn't "plan" for people to do bad. We have free will. However, he knows everything that did, is, and will happen, but didn't do anything to prevent it, as that wouldn't be really "free will" would it?
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We have free will. If someone "forced" us to love them, would that really be love at all?

LeeRyder · 06-04-2005, 08:31 PM

**nt**edit

Humdizzy · 06-04-2005, 08:33 PM

Sorry I posted the same time as some people. Go back up.

LeeRyder · 06-04-2005, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Also if we had Free Will and there were no devil then nothing we would do would be wrong right?

lets put it this way:

your parents give you the ability to make decisions and your own choise correct?
does this mean nothing you do in their eyes is wrong?

your very much convaluted here... its kinda funny.. but indicative of todays youth too

Stephen · 06-04-2005, 08:38 PM

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NVM. Ok so why cant God just destroy the devil then if he causes so many bad things to happen? He is God. I mean he has the power to do anything. Also if we had Free Will and there were no devil then nothing we would do would be wrong right? Im assuming.

He could. And he will confine him one day for a thousand years, after the judgement, I believe. After the thousand years, It reads that he will be freed again. What I believe this is for, is that it also reads that no-one will live past a hundred years that doesn't take God as their father, believe in him, etc during the thousand years. Such as babies that survived through it, children you might have, etc.
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He is giving us free will to do what we want.

Technically, if there wasn't a Devil, and that he never fell from Heaven, I'm sure that we wouldn't be on earth as we know it right now. I quite frankly do not know where we would be.

Also, if he just destroyed the Devil on a whim, it would basically destroy the propesys of the Bible, his word.

He knows what it going to happen, and he will win in the end, we just have to trust in that.

Humdizzy · 06-04-2005, 08:41 PM

Thats a good enough answer for me. Thanks you guys.

Stephen · 06-04-2005, 08:43 PM

Very welcome. If you need anything else, you can ask one of us... I'm not too sure how fond of -RJ- is of religious threads.

This is the first one I have seen on the forum, myself.

viciouscircle · 06-04-2005, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Steveh

Technically, if there wasn't a Devil, and that he never fell from Heaven, I'm sure that we wouldn't be on earth as we know it right now. I quite frankly do not know where we would be.

Logic would hold that we would still be in Eden.

Sabre · 06-05-2005, 02:08 AM

Just one question for Lee and Steve.
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If God created the world in 7 days,

Day 1: God created the heavens and the earth

Day 2: God divided the waters from the sky

Day 3: God created the grass, and the plants and the trees

Day 4: God created day and night and the stars

Day 5: God created every living creature under the sea, that crawled and walked upon the land and every winged fowl that flew in the sky.

Day 6: God made the beasts on the earth. God made man and woman in His own image.

Day 7: And God sanctified and made Holy this day and rested.

If God created the heavens and the earth, the rain, and grass plants and animals on the first 3 days, how did he manage to make night and day on the 4th day? Wouldnt he have had to make night and day at the start?

LeeRyder · 06-05-2005, 02:41 AM

ahhh man.. now your into my field here

OK, Quantum Physics mixed with cosmology (History of the Universe, if you will)

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(A) 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

So follow

In this section, the Hebrew is stating the Universe being created. take apart the text and you have God creating the Base elements. It would take pages and pages to go fully into this, But I recommend you pick up a Strongs Concordance and a Bible and jump into the ancient language that it was originally written in

This is more the Big Bang event happening than the Earth being assembled.

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2The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

this is one that I had soooo much trouble with. It took me literally 4 years to find this answer in evaluation of the text.
let me backtrack a bit. I spent several years analyzing the ancient texts looking for the "blue prints" of the Universe (I'm convinced they are written in the Old Testament). I found, literally..everything and every angle of the "Big Bang" or Creation Event.. except for one thing.. Hydrogen.
Thats a HUGE problem because Hydrogen is the most common element in the Known Universe.
Finally it occured to me that this portion of the Blue Print was hidden in plain site.. in this part you mention (seperating the Waters from the Waters). In the ancient text, there is actually a seperation between the two words of Water, thereby making them nearly two individual things.

fascinating..to me at least

to sumise your final statement since it rounds up the other days mentioned/in question.

one of the most interesting theories of the Ancient Earth is the "Water Blanket" theory. (this Is not my theory, unlike the above noted thoughts)
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It is in this theory that a cloud layer covered the earth thereby blocking off radiation until the ozon layer was formed... to allow life to enter the picture.

the Water Blanket Theory is also related to Dinosaurs and Dragons (if you will).. but further on in the Bible, so it's moot here.
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theres alot more and you've simplified it to gross negligence..but the general "gist" is there

(stuff like the earth rising from the sea's is missed as an example

).. but it's truly truly amazing..and genesis 1:1-31 were what brought me "to the Lord".

It's also interesting to note: Monday is the only day that God did not declare as "Good"; Coincidence?
Anyways, the creation of stars, sans the WB theory comes out to the

Rob · 06-05-2005, 02:43 AM

I studied Philosophy and Ethics for A Level and I can tell you that alot of these questions were ones that came up in my class.

There is no answer to them, at least not one that any man can give. Our minds cannot comprehend things that massive.

Sabre · 06-05-2005, 03:01 AM

Thanks Lee, i was just wondering... its just not really worded well at all,

!

LeeRyder · 06-05-2005, 03:03 AM

it's cool man.. my reply is kinda obscure too.. damn sleep needs

.X. · 06-05-2005, 03:08 AM

Hummer.It's all in the bible,The best advise i can give you is to read the bible and you will learn and any and all of your questions will be answered right in the bible.

-db- · 06-05-2005, 03:57 AM

Unrelated to the main topic perhaps, but still relevant IMHO, and something I want to say....

I'm often troubled and frustrated when man is so quick to take credit for the 'good' things in this world, and so quick to question or blame God (or his very existence) for the 'bad' things.

LeeRyder · 06-05-2005, 04:02 AM

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and so quick to question or blame God (or his very existence) for the 'bad' things

lol.. and you had "Damn You LeeRyder" under your name!
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cursing god.. now tisk tisk

I kid I kid!!

Humdizzy · 06-05-2005, 07:33 AM

Lol Since the topic is still going. Who created God? Lol My one theory is that we are Sims and God is a Sims addict. So maybe God is living in a world similar to ours and someone created him and then those people are Sim players also. So its like a giant chain of Sim addicts. lol A joke theory.

**Dave Zan** · 06-05-2005, 09:03 AM

Nothing wrong asking questions of this sort, Humdizzy. Even those going to
Bible studies continually ask questions anyway.

Originally Posted by LeeRyder

It's also interesting to note: Monday is the only day that God did not declare as "Good"; Coincidence?

No wonder Garfield hates Mondays.

jstep · 06-05-2005, 10:14 AM

God can not simply destroy the Devil because that would be a sin

DN Tycoon · 06-05-2005, 10:57 AM

Man created GOD....just like man created Hercules and Mount Olympus...just like man created Isis and so on and so forth...the Bible is nothing more than a book of stories with morals (and GOD said "let their be lightand there was" so are we to believe that before GOD created man there was someone there to witness GOD saying "let their be light"? the answer is no...it's a story coming from a man's mind. The Bible itself is a collection of stories written by many people and collected in one book. In history religion was a way of controlling the masses keeping order if you will by scaring them into thinking GOD is going to strike you down if you sin and so on. You have to understand that back in the day of Christ, prophets existed to spread the word of their religion and at that time religion was spreading fast because the prophets traveled across the lands to spread the message. Religion is a nasty beast that has many forms and has been used in history to manipulate the truth, start wars, kill people, help people and many other things. Religion has helped alot of people as it gives them hope that they are not alone and that someone is watching over them protecting them...it's called false sense of security...the mind is a powerful thing. Throughout history there has been no proof of GOD and yet people still believe in him/her/it the entity...why is this...maybe because it's gained such popularity throughout time that it's momentum is unstoppable..why do some people believe in GOD but not in Aliens? IMO it is easier believe that other civilizations exist in the universe besides our own then that GOD exists and created everything and everyhting good. Hell in the Bible it says Adam named his wife Eve and they layed down together and had Cain and Able and later it says Cain layed down with his wife...would this not mean it is his sister he layed down with? In the Bible it says Adam lived 930 years...and Seth his son lived 912 years and his son Enosh lived 905 years and his son Kenan lived 910 years and so on and so forth...also they had children in their 70's 80's and 90's....that's pretty impressive. Then GOD said man shall live only 120 years...You ask why doesn't GOD just get rid of the devil...and someone answered because GOD killing the devil is a sin....what do you call GOD saying "I will wipe mankind, whom I created from the face of trhe earth" because GOD was grieved that man had become so evil....all this from the first 5 pages of Genesis...it also says somewher ein the Bible that in war a man can just take any women he wants and make her his wife..hmmm think that will fly nowadays even though it is GOD's word?

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Humdizzy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 1,696	Religious Question. I know this is a sensitive topic, but I must ask someone. In religion class I have been taught that God created everything and he created everything good. My question is. How was the devil created and why is he not good if God created everything and everything good. Second question is I was also taught God planned everything. So God planned for people to do bad? Also he planned for Eve to eat the apple? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/the-break-room/95756-religious-question.html Those were just two questions I keep asking myself over and over again. I even asked my religion teacher and her answers dont answer anything. She just makes up something that comes to her head. I would be glad if someone could answer or clearify things for me. __________________ NZs Finest! Last edited by Humdizzy; 06-04-2005 at 08:44 PM.

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Sabre First Time Poster! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chelmsford, UK Posts: 11,311	Just one question for Lee and Steve. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=95756 If God created the world in 7 days, Day 1: God created the heavens and the earth Day 2: God divided the waters from the sky Day 3: God created the grass, and the plants and the trees Day 4: God created day and night and the stars Day 5: God created every living creature under the sea, that crawled and walked upon the land and every winged fowl that flew in the sky. Day 6: God made the beasts on the earth. God made man and woman in His own image. Day 7: And God sanctified and made Holy this day and rested. If God created the heavens and the earth, the rain, and grass plants and animals on the first 3 days, how did he manage to make night and day on the 4th day? Wouldnt he have had to make night and day at the start? __________________ Backpacker Insurance

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Stephen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,245	He created everything good, yes. However, he created them with "free will" as well. Satan got jealous, and tried to put himself on God's throne, so therefore was cast to earth, where he tempted the sinless (at that time) Adam and Eve to eat the apple. Think that explains it.

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Stephen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,245	Very welcome. If you need anything else, you can ask one of us... I'm not too sure how fond of -RJ- is of religious threads. This is the first one I have seen on the forum, myself.

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Rob Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England, UK Posts: 2,337	I studied Philosophy and Ethics for A Level and I can tell you that alot of these questions were ones that came up in my class. There is no answer to them, at least not one that any man can give. Our minds cannot comprehend things that massive.

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LeeRyder Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,508	it's cool man.. my reply is kinda obscure too.. damn sleep needs

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-db- NamePros Inc. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Under the bed. Posts: 5,618	Unrelated to the main topic perhaps, but still relevant IMHO, and something I want to say.... I'm often troubled and frustrated when man is so quick to take credit for the 'good' things in this world, and so quick to question or blame God (or his very existence) for the 'bad' things. __________________ I support Children: Wish.org \| MissingKids.com I support Animals: SPCA.org \| SPCA.com Jeff \| Armstrong \| Grrilla - First 3 inductees into NamePro's Hall-Of-Fame.

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Humdizzy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 1,696	Lol Since the topic is still going. Who created God? Lol My one theory is that we are Sims and God is a Sims addict. So maybe God is living in a world similar to ours and someone created him and then those people are Sim players also. So its like a giant chain of Sim addicts. lol A joke theory. __________________ NZs Finest!

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jstep www.SportsConvo.com Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,624	God can not simply destroy the Devil because that would be a sin

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DN Tycoon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,131	Man created GOD....just like man created Hercules and Mount Olympus...just like man created Isis and so on and so forth...the Bible is nothing more than a book of stories with morals (and GOD said "let their be lightand there was" so are we to believe that before GOD created man there was someone there to witness GOD saying "let their be light"? the answer is no...it's a story coming from a man's mind. The Bible itself is a collection of stories written by many people and collected in one book. In history religion was a way of controlling the masses keeping order if you will by scaring them into thinking GOD is going to strike you down if you sin and so on. You have to understand that back in the day of Christ, prophets existed to spread the word of their religion and at that time religion was spreading fast because the prophets traveled across the lands to spread the message. Religion is a nasty beast that has many forms and has been used in history to manipulate the truth, start wars, kill people, help people and many other things. Religion has helped alot of people as it gives them hope that they are not alone and that someone is watching over them protecting them...it's called false sense of security...the mind is a powerful thing. Throughout history there has been no proof of GOD and yet people still believe in him/her/it the entity...why is this...maybe because it's gained such popularity throughout time that it's momentum is unstoppable..why do some people believe in GOD but not in Aliens? IMO it is easier believe that other civilizations exist in the universe besides our own then that GOD exists and created everything and everyhting good. Hell in the Bible it says Adam named his wife Eve and they layed down together and had Cain and Able and later it says Cain layed down with his wife...would this not mean it is his sister he layed down with? In the Bible it says Adam lived 930 years...and Seth his son lived 912 years and his son Enosh lived 905 years and his son Kenan lived 910 years and so on and so forth...also they had children in their 70's 80's and 90's....that's pretty impressive. Then GOD said man shall live only 120 years...You ask why doesn't GOD just get rid of the devil...and someone answered because GOD killing the devil is a sin....what do you call GOD saying "I will wipe mankind, whom I created from the face of trhe earth" because GOD was grieved that man had become so evil....all this from the first 5 pages of Genesis...it also says somewher ein the Bible that in war a man can just take any women he wants and make her his wife..hmmm think that will fly nowadays even though it is GOD's word?

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