The Red Cross Blows

Filtered · 03-30-2005, 11:43 AM

My neighbors house recenly was destroyed in a fire. An insense fell behind one of the beds and started the fire. There were 6 people, 2 dogs, and one cat in the house at the time. The fire started just after midnight. After 20 minutes of waiting, the fire department showed up and about 40 minutes later the fire was out. The top floor was completey destroyed, nothing remained. The bottom floor was not really burned, but the water damage from the hoses destroyed everything downstairs.

The fire department took everything from the downstairs (couch, chairs, etc) and put them on the front lawn of the house to prevent further damage and then left. (It rained all night)

Now I know the title says "The Red Cross Blows" and I'm getting to that. I just wanted to give some background on this families over all experience.

This family has had many hardships over the last decade or so and they had just started to pull their lives together. They found this house and were buying it, and feeling pround to soon be home owners.
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After the fire, I told them they could stay in my house until they figured out what to do.
One of the members of the household, has several health issues and is in a wheel chair. She is not part of the family, but they have been friends for over 20 years and have always lived either together or very close. Anyway, the actual family consists of mother, father, and three sons. Their daughter is not at home anymore. Anyway, the fire department told them to call the Red Cross and that they would help them find a home, get food and clothing vouchers, and help them with the next steps toward getting back on their feet/s
The Red Cross came to my house the next morning. They told them to call someone else and handed out a bag with soap, tooth brush, and a wash cloth. The famliy does not have transportation and getting into the nearest town is not an easy task. The Red Cross said they could not help them get to their appointments with the other social organization they were sent to. They took a lot of information and then said good bye. In other words, they did nothing to help this family. The Red Cross gave them phone numbers the family already had.
Where do all of the donations go to? If I had not been there to provide shelter, they would have remained outside with all of their possesions in the rain. Two of the boys ran out of the house without shoes and in PJ's.

I really don't get it. Can someone please tell me what the Red Cross really does. I had already given the family soap, tooth brushes, and wash clothes. So basically, the Red Cross did nothing. Why?
This rant may be out of place but I was looking at the ribbons here at NP and saw one for the Red Cross and got pissed all over again.

To top it all off, the media said it was started by a cigarette, even though that was incorrect, and that there were only four people in the house and it suffered only minor damage. Complete garbage...

Ok..I'm done with my diatribe

RJ · 03-30-2005, 01:23 PM

That's a terrible story. Did the Red Cross give any reason why they weren't going to help?

Mark · 03-30-2005, 01:40 PM

The Red Cross is set up for more along the lines of "International" and "Major" Disasters. - I know this may sound bad - But they do their jobs on a bit larger scale than individual families. I've been through several major Hurricanes - and the Red Cross was always some of the first folks on the scene - Providing food and Temporary shelter if available (Mostly Tents etc ... )

I really am sorry to hear this story - But local organisations such as "Social Services" , Salvation Army , and Church Groups etc ... would be their best bet ATM.

God Bless them all ....

slipondajimmy · 03-30-2005, 01:53 PM

The red cross is good for many things and do help alot of people. It is not nice to hear that the basicly gave them a bar of soap and said have a nice day. They could try places like goodwill or the salvation army . They might not be able to help in housing but im sure can help with furnishings and clothing. Or you could step up and if you are in a small town maybe set up a fundraiser of some kind

Filtered · 03-30-2005, 02:08 PM

This type of thing is exactly what the Red Cross is for. It is disaster relief. Period. Nowhere does it say "We only help if it's a hurricane" or anything along those lines. Everyone at the scene said the Red Cross was the organization to call.
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As for a fund raiser, I live in NY. People don't care..

This post is not a cry for help. I am helping them and providing shelter and food until they can get a place. They have already called the proper agencies. Social Services will help the family with housing, but not the disabled person. This is because the entire household used her bank account. They had deposited their tax return and since the account had money in it they would not help her. The account did not belong to the family, but the family friend. The friend is the disabled on..
It's a big long twisted story, but the point is, the Red Cross did nothing to help and gave no explanation as to why..

Also, I think I would call this a "Major" disaster..What would you call it if it were your house that burned down, and you lost everything. Left with nothing but your PJ's 4 pairs of shoes for 6 people..

As for International, I do find it odd that people in this country care more about "International" needs before they focus on "Our" needs.

I am not saying that we should not help. I'm saying we should help anyone that needs help. Our civilization will not survive if we don't help eachother.

LeeRyder · 03-30-2005, 02:15 PM

I dont know man.. something is missin here.

My sisters apartment burned down (arson) on December 20th of 1995. With her 3 kids, she was put up in a hotel room, given all new presents, given cash to hel with expenses, givens gifts and clothing and other basic necessities and the hotel room was paid in advance for a month, with the option to have them pay for a second month..

all this for free within 36 hours of the fire.. and all done by the American Red Cross.

really not sure whats going on with your neighbors... seems like were missing information they haven't told you?

oh ya..and they also paid for her first/last and deposit for her new apartment when she found one (roughly 3 or 4 weeks after the fire) and signed a notice to that new mgr stating what had happened.

Mark · 03-30-2005, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Filtered

As for a fund raiser, I live in NY. People don't care..

This attitude may be the problem - I'm quite sure there are folks there who Do care ! ~ But you or your neighbors may have to seek them out.
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Maybe the Red Cross didn't offer housing because you already had .... Dunno ??? -

Sad either Way

True_Snake · 03-30-2005, 03:03 PM

That really is a sad story.

As mentioned previously, the Red Cross is mainly for international causes.

Did you/they check for any other local charities? They might be able to help.

Good luck to them!

True_Snake

Filtered · 03-30-2005, 03:24 PM

To say that everyone in NY does not care is very incorrect. But we live in a very small town and people prefer to mind their own business.

Social Services offered to put them in a Motel, but the living conditions were extremely poor. Very bad neighborhood, drugs, etc.

The Red Cross said they didn't provide housing and that it would be done by Social Services.

I have known these people for over 2 years. I visited them almost everyday for those 2 years. Nothing was left out.

"My sisters apartment burned down (arson) on December 20th of 1995"

Apartments are insured by the owner, this house was not.
You also have to take into consideration budgets in 1995 as well as the state of the world in 1995. Also it was Dec 20.

It was very nice of the Red Cross to do that in 1995. But they did not do that here. And the two situations are not comparable.

As for my neighbors helping out, not one person came to ask if everyone was ok. I took them in so they didn't have to seek anyone out. But no one, at all, came by to offer help. But that is not my point.
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The Red Cross did nothing. They are NOT only an International service.

I find it interesting to know that people would prefer to believe that my neighbors did something wrong, before they would believe that the Red Cross did nothing.

Mark · 03-30-2005, 03:39 PM

I'd imagine things are pretty "tight" with Disaster Services right now considering the ongoing Tsunami and Earthquake aid going out at the moment , and I am only defending them because I have personally seen the Great things they have done in the past.

I must add this as I've forgot to in the last few post ~

Thank God for folks like Filtered for doing what you have

Keep their spirits up best you can ~ and try calling a few of the folks listed above ^ .... Hopefully things will work out

Filtered · 03-30-2005, 03:59 PM

Thank you all4cost.

I am not trying to say that the Red Cross has never done anything for anyone. I know that they have helped a lot of people. But I also know that they have collected millions of dollars in donations that never went to the cause. 911 for one.

If you collect donations to help people you should help people. I would never donate to the Red Cross knowing that soap and a tooth brush is the extent of their aid.

LeeRyder · 03-30-2005, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Apartments are insured by the owner, this house was not.

Insurance doesnt pay the red cross... donations and govt subsidies do.
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Quote:

I find it interesting to know that people would prefer to believe that my neighbors did something wrong, before they would believe that the Red Cross did nothing.

Who said that?
All i said was we're not getting the whole story to help us figure out what went wrong (if anything) and how we can help (if at all).

Dont be so defensive.

and whiney...geeesh

Filtered · 03-30-2005, 04:23 PM

Your first instinct was that there must be something missing. You assumed that the family was holding something back.

I'm not being defensive. I'm responding to your post. It seems to me that you would choose to believe that information was missing, and if that information were to be made known it would explain why the Red Cross did nothing.

But this is not the case. The only information I am missing is WHY the Red Cross did nothing. I have been with the family every step of the way. The Red Cross interviewed them and talked to them in my living room with me sitting right there.
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Again, I did not post this as a cry for help. I posted this as exposure to injustice. I am expressing my feelings about inaction.
I'm not asking anyone for help. The family is fed and sheltered. Social Services gave them vouchers for clothing. In the end, they will be fine.

I hope this never happens to anyone else, but I think you would understand more clearly if you were in their shoes.

whiney???
Is that what people are called when they stand up for other people..Whiney??
Well, if that's the case, I have no problem being whiney. I am not one to stand by when I can actually help someone..

LeeRyder · 03-30-2005, 04:29 PM

lol..ok if you say so man lol... but I thought this was kinda funny:

Quote:

I posted this as exposure to injustice

gotta love the entitlement generation

SimpleMan · 03-30-2005, 04:38 PM

Seth, I definitely feel for the situation.

First off, Redcross being an international/major disaster only organization is untrue. The excerpt below is taken straight from their FAQ.

Quote:

How can the Red Cross help me?
The Red Cross is committed to saving lives and easing suffering. This diverse organization serves humanity and helps you by providing relief to victims of disaster, both locally and globally. The Red Cross is responsible for half of the nation's blood supply and blood products.

The Red Cross gives health and safety training to the public and provides emergency social services to U.S. military members and their families. In the wake of an earthquake, tornado, flood, fire, hurricane or other disaster, it provides relief services to communities across the country. The Red Cross is America's most trusted charity, and it needs the support of compassionate Americans to succeed.

I'm not too familiar with the structure of the Redcross, but did they contact a local part of it or try to contact it at a national office or something? I truly doubt this episode speaks for the entire red cross, but as with any org. they have their problems. They do a lot of good work.
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Also, their quota for the tsunami disaster relief was met several months ago. They shouldn't have a problem getting a few bucks together for a hotel room and a hot meal at least.

Filtered · 03-30-2005, 05:12 PM

Crazy..You are correct on all points.

"entitlement generation" ???

You assume to know how old I am..

So I guess you are part of the same generation. At least your posts about Terri Shiavo would have me believe this..

Originally Posted by LeeRyder

hopefully this time her parents will win and have her removed from the custody of the sick and twisted husband and his equally perverse and disgusting supporters.

they should all be shotin the gut.. but that would still not be as cruel as what they are doing to Terri.

Cowards.

I can see that your compassion is overwhelming. Your answer is to shoot someone for their beliefs, yet you believe that your point of view is correct.
You have no room call me whiney..

LeeRyder · 03-30-2005, 06:51 PM

ahh you declare yourself not apart of the entitle me generation yet you feel they are entitled to red cross aid. lol.. whatever.

my view of the schiavo fiasco was only made in one post.. see if you can find out what that is.

You know, for someone whining about the red cross.. you sure are ansy when someone questions something (or asks for clarification rather). hiding something?

Filtered · 03-30-2005, 08:34 PM

So, you have to be a part of the entitlement generation if you expect to have resources such as the Red Cross??

Well, you think schiavo has a right to life..So, we must be part of the same generation.

My view of the Red Cross was made in only one thread. My thread.

Ansy about being questioned?..No, just irritated when people claim I'm not telling the truth or hiding something when they have no clue what they are talking about.. The only thing I have to hide would be ill words in a public place..

LeeRyder · 03-30-2005, 09:02 PM

listen.. i didnt imply you werent telling the truth. I pondered if we had all the information either about your friend or about what was going on with the red cross. you really need to chill... people asking question online is not a violation nor is it an act of vengeance.

My experience with them has proven them only good. do they have faults? sure, as do most organisations.... it does not however entitle you to deny someone wondering whats up.

so just relax, take a pill and forget I ever pondered

Filtered · 03-30-2005, 10:30 PM

Hey,
By implying that information was missing, which you did, you came off as saying I was not providing all the information, or that I must not have all the information, which, in my book, is an attack on my credibility.

After that, most of your posts were negative and offensive. Calling me names, and such.

Anyway. I normally would not care if you were offensive or childish, but I have been quite upset over my friends losing everything they own..

Well..I'm done with the back and forth. It is pointless.

dgridley · 03-30-2005, 10:36 PM

No National TV coverage? That's the rub.. Red Cross loves to be in the thick of the Big Issues but is of little help on the "small" no-publicity ventures.
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In an emergency such as yours, your best bet is to contact the Salavation Army first, or Catholic Charities second.

I've been on both sides of the fence numerous times in my life and owe the Salvation Army and enormous debt of gratitude. My experience is they will help out as best they can and with the least amount of grumbling

Good luck to you and your friends..

Originally Posted by Filtered

I really don't get it. Can someone please tell me what the Red Cross really does. I had already given the family soap, tooth brushes, and wash clothes. So basically, the Red Cross did nothing. Why?

03-30-2005, 11:43 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Filtered Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,054	The Red Cross Blows My neighbors house recenly was destroyed in a fire. An insense fell behind one of the beds and started the fire. There were 6 people, 2 dogs, and one cat in the house at the time. The fire started just after midnight. After 20 minutes of waiting, the fire department showed up and about 40 minutes later the fire was out. The top floor was completey destroyed, nothing remained. The bottom floor was not really burned, but the water damage from the hoses destroyed everything downstairs. The fire department took everything from the downstairs (couch, chairs, etc) and put them on the front lawn of the house to prevent further damage and then left. (It rained all night) Now I know the title says "The Red Cross Blows" and I'm getting to that. I just wanted to give some background on this families over all experience. This family has had many hardships over the last decade or so and they had just started to pull their lives together. They found this house and were buying it, and feeling pround to soon be home owners. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/the-break-room/78946-the-red-cross-blows.html After the fire, I told them they could stay in my house until they figured out what to do. One of the members of the household, has several health issues and is in a wheel chair. She is not part of the family, but they have been friends for over 20 years and have always lived either together or very close. Anyway, the actual family consists of mother, father, and three sons. Their daughter is not at home anymore. Anyway, the fire department told them to call the Red Cross and that they would help them find a home, get food and clothing vouchers, and help them with the next steps toward getting back on their feet/s The Red Cross came to my house the next morning. They told them to call someone else and handed out a bag with soap, tooth brush, and a wash cloth. The famliy does not have transportation and getting into the nearest town is not an easy task. The Red Cross said they could not help them get to their appointments with the other social organization they were sent to. They took a lot of information and then said good bye. In other words, they did nothing to help this family. The Red Cross gave them phone numbers the family already had. Where do all of the donations go to? If I had not been there to provide shelter, they would have remained outside with all of their possesions in the rain. Two of the boys ran out of the house without shoes and in PJ's. I really don't get it. Can someone please tell me what the Red Cross really does. I had already given the family soap, tooth brushes, and wash clothes. So basically, the Red Cross did nothing. Why? This rant may be out of place but I was looking at the ribbons here at NP and saw one for the Red Cross and got pissed all over again. To top it all off, the media said it was started by a cigarette, even though that was incorrect, and that there were only four people in the house and it suffered only minor damage. Complete garbage... Ok..I'm done with my diatribe __________________ NuScope Media NameMixer.com\|Domain Portfolio

03-30-2005, 01:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Webmaster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,930 Follow @DomainBuyer	That's a terrible story. Did the Red Cross give any reason why they weren't going to help? __________________ @DomainBuyer facebook

03-30-2005, 01:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mark Hi :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 9,567	The Red Cross is set up for more along the lines of "International" and "Major" Disasters. - I know this may sound bad - But they do their jobs on a bit larger scale than individual families. I've been through several major Hurricanes - and the Red Cross was always some of the first folks on the scene - Providing food and Temporary shelter if available (Mostly Tents etc ... ) I really am sorry to hear this story - But local organisations such as "Social Services" , Salvation Army , and Church Groups etc ... would be their best bet ATM. God Bless them all .... __________________ When the man at the door yelled "Alcohol , Tobacco , and Firearms" .... I just assumed it was a delivery !

03-30-2005, 02:08 PM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
Filtered Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,054	This type of thing is exactly what the Red Cross is for. It is disaster relief. Period. Nowhere does it say "We only help if it's a hurricane" or anything along those lines. Everyone at the scene said the Red Cross was the organization to call. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78946 As for a fund raiser, I live in NY. People don't care.. This post is not a cry for help. I am helping them and providing shelter and food until they can get a place. They have already called the proper agencies. Social Services will help the family with housing, but not the disabled person. This is because the entire household used her bank account. They had deposited their tax return and since the account had money in it they would not help her. The account did not belong to the family, but the family friend. The friend is the disabled on.. It's a big long twisted story, but the point is, the Red Cross did nothing to help and gave no explanation as to why.. Also, I think I would call this a "Major" disaster..What would you call it if it were your house that burned down, and you lost everything. Left with nothing but your PJ's 4 pairs of shoes for 6 people.. As for International, I do find it odd that people in this country care more about "International" needs before they focus on "Our" needs. I am not saying that we should not help. I'm saying we should help anyone that needs help. Our civilization will not survive if we don't help eachother. __________________ NuScope Media NameMixer.com\|Domain Portfolio

03-30-2005, 03:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
True_Snake In-House Graphic Designer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,289	That really is a sad story. As mentioned previously, the Red Cross is mainly for international causes. Did you/they check for any other local charities? They might be able to help. Good luck to them! True_Snake __________________ Logos:PM ME! OVECHKIN.INFO! Rising Star!

03-30-2005, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
slipondajimmy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 2,026	The red cross is good for many things and do help alot of people. It is not nice to hear that the basicly gave them a bar of soap and said have a nice day. They could try places like goodwill or the salvation army . They might not be able to help in housing but im sure can help with furnishings and clothing. Or you could step up and if you are in a small town maybe set up a fundraiser of some kind

03-30-2005, 02:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
LeeRyder Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,508	I dont know man.. something is missin here. My sisters apartment burned down (arson) on December 20th of 1995. With her 3 kids, she was put up in a hotel room, given all new presents, given cash to hel with expenses, givens gifts and clothing and other basic necessities and the hotel room was paid in advance for a month, with the option to have them pay for a second month.. all this for free within 36 hours of the fire.. and all done by the American Red Cross. really not sure whats going on with your neighbors... seems like were missing information they haven't told you? oh ya..and they also paid for her first/last and deposit for her new apartment when she found one (roughly 3 or 4 weeks after the fire) and signed a notice to that new mgr stating what had happened.

03-30-2005, 03:24 PM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
Filtered Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,054	To say that everyone in NY does not care is very incorrect. But we live in a very small town and people prefer to mind their own business. Social Services offered to put them in a Motel, but the living conditions were extremely poor. Very bad neighborhood, drugs, etc. The Red Cross said they didn't provide housing and that it would be done by Social Services. I have known these people for over 2 years. I visited them almost everyday for those 2 years. Nothing was left out. "My sisters apartment burned down (arson) on December 20th of 1995" Apartments are insured by the owner, this house was not. You also have to take into consideration budgets in 1995 as well as the state of the world in 1995. Also it was Dec 20. It was very nice of the Red Cross to do that in 1995. But they did not do that here. And the two situations are not comparable. As for my neighbors helping out, not one person came to ask if everyone was ok. I took them in so they didn't have to seek anyone out. But no one, at all, came by to offer help. But that is not my point. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78946 The Red Cross did nothing. They are NOT only an International service. I find it interesting to know that people would prefer to believe that my neighbors did something wrong, before they would believe that the Red Cross did nothing. __________________ NuScope Media NameMixer.com\|Domain Portfolio

03-30-2005, 03:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mark Hi :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 9,567	I'd imagine things are pretty "tight" with Disaster Services right now considering the ongoing Tsunami and Earthquake aid going out at the moment , and I am only defending them because I have personally seen the Great things they have done in the past. I must add this as I've forgot to in the last few post ~ Thank God for folks like Filtered for doing what you have Keep their spirits up best you can ~ and try calling a few of the folks listed above ^ .... Hopefully things will work out __________________ When the man at the door yelled "Alcohol , Tobacco , and Firearms" .... I just assumed it was a delivery !

03-30-2005, 03:59 PM	THREAD STARTER #11 (permalink)
Filtered Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,054	Thank you all4cost. I am not trying to say that the Red Cross has never done anything for anyone. I know that they have helped a lot of people. But I also know that they have collected millions of dollars in donations that never went to the cause. 911 for one. If you collect donations to help people you should help people. I would never donate to the Red Cross knowing that soap and a tooth brush is the extent of their aid. __________________ NuScope Media NameMixer.com\|Domain Portfolio

03-30-2005, 04:23 PM	THREAD STARTER #13 (permalink)
Filtered Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,054	Your first instinct was that there must be something missing. You assumed that the family was holding something back. I'm not being defensive. I'm responding to your post. It seems to me that you would choose to believe that information was missing, and if that information were to be made known it would explain why the Red Cross did nothing. But this is not the case. The only information I am missing is WHY the Red Cross did nothing. I have been with the family every step of the way. The Red Cross interviewed them and talked to them in my living room with me sitting right there. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78946 Again, I did not post this as a cry for help. I posted this as exposure to injustice. I am expressing my feelings about inaction. I'm not asking anyone for help. The family is fed and sheltered. Social Services gave them vouchers for clothing. In the end, they will be fine. I hope this never happens to anyone else, but I think you would understand more clearly if you were in their shoes. whiney??? Is that what people are called when they stand up for other people..Whiney?? Well, if that's the case, I have no problem being whiney. I am not one to stand by when I can actually help someone.. __________________ NuScope Media NameMixer.com\|Domain Portfolio

03-30-2005, 06:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
LeeRyder Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,508	ahh you declare yourself not apart of the entitle me generation yet you feel they are entitled to red cross aid. lol.. whatever. my view of the schiavo fiasco was only made in one post.. see if you can find out what that is. You know, for someone whining about the red cross.. you sure are ansy when someone questions something (or asks for clarification rather). hiding something?

03-30-2005, 08:34 PM	THREAD STARTER #18 (permalink)
Filtered Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,054	So, you have to be a part of the entitlement generation if you expect to have resources such as the Red Cross?? Well, you think schiavo has a right to life..So, we must be part of the same generation. My view of the Red Cross was made in only one thread. My thread. Ansy about being questioned?..No, just irritated when people claim I'm not telling the truth or hiding something when they have no clue what they are talking about.. The only thing I have to hide would be ill words in a public place.. __________________ NuScope Media NameMixer.com\|Domain Portfolio

03-30-2005, 09:02 PM	#19 (permalink)
LeeRyder Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,508	listen.. i didnt imply you werent telling the truth. I pondered if we had all the information either about your friend or about what was going on with the red cross. you really need to chill... people asking question online is not a violation nor is it an act of vengeance. My experience with them has proven them only good. do they have faults? sure, as do most organisations.... it does not however entitle you to deny someone wondering whats up. so just relax, take a pill and forget I ever pondered

03-30-2005, 10:30 PM	THREAD STARTER #20 (permalink)
Filtered Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,054	Hey, By implying that information was missing, which you did, you came off as saying I was not providing all the information, or that I must not have all the information, which, in my book, is an attack on my credibility. After that, most of your posts were negative and offensive. Calling me names, and such. Anyway. I normally would not care if you were offensive or childish, but I have been quite upset over my friends losing everything they own.. Well..I'm done with the back and forth. It is pointless. __________________ NuScope Media NameMixer.com\|Domain Portfolio

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