DBADT2007

I found the parallels very interesting and refreshing between the two candidates choices in targeting the mobile phone segment on the mobile web. Both have differing opinions as to what is better for America, and yet they expressed it in another subtle difference that maybe not many noticed.

John Mccain strictly chose to stand with a .com (JohnMccain.com), showing a traditional view in reaching his target market. By choosing auto-detection his website formats and displays on mobile phones, yet it lacks a certain appeal since it does not provide anything that truly targets the mobile sector; nothing original for mobile phones, just the same .com website formatted for the mobile phone.

vs.

Barack Obama, who has chosen to go with (Obamamobile.mobi), the entirely new and more modern TLD on the block (.mobi) which has already started to become an overnight sensation with tweens,teens, and some young adults. Built entirely as a new website apart from his (.com - pc site) specifically designed to target the mobile phone segment with entirely different content. Not only is the site quite elegantly designed but it also features items that you would expect to find on a mobile site (i.e. basic profile, news, videos, Ringtones, wallpapers, text alerts, and so forth).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/the-break-room/498049-mccain-vs-obama-com-vs-mobi.html

If anything each respective candidate is making the same arguments that both dotMobi dissenters and supporters have made for the .com vs .mobi arguments. These candidates have different political views as to what will be best for America, and in another level, their mobile sites are equally showing this difference. Its time for America to make a choice, will it be JohnMccain.com or Obamamobile.mobi? One thing is for sure, it won't take long to find out!

kiwi

Rep for the reflective post!
I see the interesting correlations.

Jackie

I don't know what is going to happen when you roll politics AND .mobi into one Namepros thread.

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Any word yet from the "PAID FOR BY OBAMA FOR AMERICA" folks regarding the recent June acquisition of this AWKWARD domain name (that scores a "2" on Ready.mobi (ie., "It will probably display very poorly on a mobile phone"), its development, and its specifically planned promotions?
IYHO's.

Link: www.barackobama.com/mobile/

And here's the "Mobile" link directly from the main BarackObama.com website:
http://www.barackobama.com/mobilev2/

I'll look forward to the details, and actual substance (if any)!
-Jeff

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wow that is really smart, .mobi all the way.

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DBADT2007

Thank you Jeff for providing the alternate web addresses, however those two addresses were totally useless on my mobile phone and I would imagine are pretty much useless on all mobile phones with the exception of the iPhone et clones; I got a blank page for each address, respectively. Do you know why? Because both web addresses you gave are pages that are to be accessed by a PC to tell the user how they will access the site via text. Therefore, IMHO these do not qualify as sites that have been optimized for mobile phones. While, you are correct that Obamamobile.mobi does score a 2 on ready.mobi (very much applaud you in taking such an interest in looking this up for us)- it did however load excellently on my Samsung phone.
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http://obamamobile.mobi

www.barackobama.com/mobile
www.barackobama.com/mobilev2
origin.barackobama.com/mobilev2

When I compare accessibility of all these addresses to each other, there is no question that .mobi has the leg up. Therefore, I stand on my comment.

Jeff

You're welcome (one links directly from the .COM website under the link "Mobile")!

The iPhone helped to kill the "dot Mobey", so I concur!

No worries, do you know when mTLD will be enforcing coding compliancy (as well as mandated development requirements that are now months past due)? IYHO.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=498049
Scoring a lowly "2" doesn't sound too good, IMHO.

-Jeff

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As I said previously, this is quite logical since you are navigating from your PC, they don't assume you are coming from your mobile phone. But maybe they should put the link so they can assure you as well as other domainers that they have chosen .mobi as their choice for a mobile site.

This statement really shows how misinformed you are regarding the wireless industry and general mobile user trends. Word to the wise, if you don't know anything about what you are talking about, maybe you should stop giving advice regarding this area; it just shows your ignorance on this topic.

The iPhone makes a very very small percentage of the whole mobile phone market, (3percent in 2008 / with a 6percent expected in 2009) in fact, even a certain individual from SEO 2008 that will be talking about the supposed demise of .mobi DOES NOT even own an iPhone. Therefore, the iPhone can't help kill anything, when its market penetration is negligible at best. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the iPhone, after all I'm proud that Apple is promoting efficient streamlined mobile sites, just check out their listings at http://www.apple.com/webapps/ - I don't see any full blown websites being promoted on there. Additionally, Window's Mobile is now challenging iPhone sales, which could seriously affect the iPhone's market penetration. Ads for the Samsung Instinct (sprint network) and the LG Dare (verizon network) are currently airing right along with the iPhone's commercial.


On another note, mobile users want efficient streamlined mobile versions instead of the full blown website experience, which goes right on track with what .mobi is about and as a result will cause a demand for .mobi sites. I guess some people are getting tired of the scrolling/pinching/zooming/etc. Due to the lack of these, some individuals are getting to the point of customizing their own mobilized versions. See: http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wirele...web-your-phone

Unlike your OPINIONS that are not backed by any sources. I will quote my sources. You are welcome to provide your own to have a more thorough discussion.

Additional Sources:
(AppleInsider: 3percent market penetration 2008)
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...le_market.html

(iShare Study: over 90 percent of Japanese don't want an iPhone.
* PLEASE NOTE: I do believe that if this survey consists of only a few hundred individuals being surveyed; it cannot give us an adequate picture of the market at hand. See : http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...-japanese.html however, having said that, the Japanese mobile phone market is much more advanced than the current technology being implemented on the iPhone, which could suggest the lack of support for it.*)
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/14529.cfm

(EnGadget: Microsoft is fighting for the iPhone market)
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/11/w...in-the-past-s/

In the meantime, since I don't think you read my previous reply to this question, I will once again, post it for your review:

Arrangements between mTLD and each respective party may have come up with an agreement, which neither you or myself are privy to, therefore I cannot state whether compliance is being enforced, delayed, or otherwise not being enforced.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=498049

Returning to Topic...
http://Obamamobile.mobi, while a mere 2 on ready.mobi, it displays amazingly well on my Samsung mobile phone. Anyone, have a different experience on their mobile? And just if you were wondering, no I am not affiliated with Barack Obama's campaign.

Keith

Wow I may have to give you a rep for providing those links. Here's what I get when accessing the various forms via the iphone 3g...

1. obamamobile.mobi...loads fast and delivers legible content with no zooming whatsoever. Truly an amazing site!!

2. barackobama.com/mobilev2...the page at the following address was not found (this is word for word what my iphone says).

3. barackobama.com/mobile... it takes at least 3-4 times as long as the mobi to load. Once it does load, you cannot read the content with a magnifying glass. I had to zoom far in just to read a few words and then scroll madly around to read on.

I challenge anyone with an iphone or similiar type smartphone to check these various links out. Once you do it will be clear why .mobi is hands down the way to go for mobile content! Thanks Jeff for the great info

Jeff

Sure, that would be a good validation ... again, just so that we're crystal clear; exactly how is this "dot Mobey" (with an unacceptable Ready score of only "2") being actively promoted?
Please be specific!
IYHO.

Negligible market penetration?
The iPhone, as well as the Instinct and the Dare and other web-enabled "smart phones" are the FUTURE of the unrestricted, full Mobile Web™, IMHO ... and their demographics make the commercial viability of this new frontier!
Your observations in this capacity are extremely short-sighted, and do not factor in these critical demographics, or the very rapid future evolution of these "smart phones" and their backers, IMHO.

Compliance and development mandates are not being enforced ... please stop with that kind of mumbo-jumbo baloney, please friend!
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PS. I, too, like Barack Obama just fine!
-Jeff

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The aformentioned DEMOGRAPHICS and ADVANCES IN TECHNOLOGIES (ie., devices, browsers, auto-detection, etc.) are critical to the complete understanding of the future of the full and unrestricted Mobile Web™, IMHO.
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Why has Apple, for instance, not embraced the "dot Mobey" or its premise?!?
Why has one-time supposed "backer" Google not developed or promoted a stand-alone "dot Mobey" website?
Where are the major promotions of substance ... and was yet another opportunity lost with the Summer Olympics?
Why are the development and compliancy mandates not being enforced?
How can single character "dot Mobey's" be released when mTLD has not demonstrated that it can even fulfill its earlier promises and mandates??
And how, exactly, is the obamamobile.mobi non-compliant Ready "2" site being promoted (other than on mTLD's blog entitled dotmobi.typepad.com ... where is the actual SUBSTANCE? IYHO's.

Thanks, Go Obama, and enjoy the summer!
-Jeff

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GF

In my opinion:

.mobi = useless extension
Barack H. Obama = useless politician

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Ok, back to the REAL ISSUES brought up by the OP.

Here's another useless analogy between our potential future commanders in chief and domain names:
There are about 7,430,000,000 .com's indexed by google and only about 8,760,000 .mobi's

7,430,000,000 / 8,760,000 = 848

McCain's Political Experience / Obama's = 1.54347826
McCain's Age / Obama's = 2.16666667
The winner will be the 44th President.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=498049
14.5 Weeks left until election.

1.54347826*2.16666667*44*25*1.54347826*2.16666667/14.5 = 848

"Hope" has 4 letters, so does "mobi"
"McC" has 3 letters, so does "com"

Barack Obama's organization created http://www.barackobama.com/tv/
There is a .tv ccTld.

Finally,
So here, the Change we can believe in is that mobile phone users should not be interested in actually learning anything about the candidate, they should be interested in downloading a, like, totally cool wallpaper for their phone. Obamamobile.mobi (by the way, horrible name, only making Jeff's point stronger that .mobi is dying such a horrible death that people need to specify that their site is mobile, despite the extension)...anyway, obamamobile.mobi may have "entirely different" VISUAL content, but from what I can tell, it has very little actual content. This only hurts Obama more by strengthening the opinion that Obama is all style, no substance.

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GF

Awesome post.

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Keith

Obamamobile.mobi was most likely used because squatters have regged his actual name. What it has to do with mobi dying I have no idea.

Has anyone tried to use the alternate mobile links that Jeff provided for Obama's site? Once you do it will be clear why .mobi is so much better.

RogueWriter

Maybe Obama could earmark some money to help promote .mobi , .

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DBADT2007

Well why am I not surprised that you would not read exactly what I posted and just focus on one tiny fraction of the whole. If you had read what I have written in past posts, and even on this current thread, you would know that I firmly believe that mobile phones will advance to become "smart phones", to state otherwise isn't logical at all (i.e. "smart phones" are the future- no question about it). The one billion dollar question, isn't whether mobile phones will advance to the level of being "smart phones", but when this conversion will fully take place or to the very least equal the great majority.

If you take the moment to read what I posted previously...you would notice I stated that the current iPhone market for 2008 is 3percent, estimated to be 6percent in 2009! That means that currently 97percent is made up of other mobile phones, the majority of the other mobiles not having the full capabilities of the iPhone, since the Samsung Instinct and LG Dare are still debuting it would not be logical to assume that these dominate the entire 97percent. Therefore, I can assume that there are a great majority of mobiles with limited capabilities (exceptions with other smart phones is noted) when it comes to accessing the mobile web. Does this mean it won't change? Of course not! It will gradually change (Note: the current economic situation is having an effect in consumer confidence, which directly impacts the purchases of new products/services. See CNN Money Article ), the question is how long till everyone or at least the great majority makes this change. Once again, you have a very limited view of what .mobi actually means, nothing limits this extension to take full advantage of these smart phone's capabilities- therefore, the style guides that mTLD have established are for mere compatibility issues. Does it mean these style guides won't change? Of course not!

BTW, I don't suppose that you might demand answers from mobile manufactures and telcos as to when they plan to fully convert the market? Any chance you will start demanding answers from mobile phone users as to when they plan to upgrade their mobile phones?
I really hope bolding and underlining fonts have made it easier for you to read.

As previously stated, I'm not affiliated with Barack Obama's campaign, so as to when this will be actively promoted I cannot say. In regards to its Ready.mobi score of "2", I can only state it loads well on my Samsung mobile phone. But if anyone encounters any mobile phone that doesn't load it, I'm sure that the Obama campaign wouldn't mind knowing about it!

Its not mumbo-jumbo, there is a logic behind it. Its called Corporate Strategies and Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDA). You seem to want a play by play as to what is going on, yet you are not sufficiently financially invested with mTLD or the respective parties involved to get that level of access. I find it interesting that you demand to know that information when you very well should know that in general companies do not divulge their strategies. Otherwise, why would corporate espionage even exist? Do you think they would go through the whole hassle of spying if they could just demand answers and get it?
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No argument here. I do factor in other advances in technologies as you put it. As stated on my first post:
Apple is keeping its options open, like many corporations. Apple has embraced to a degree the idea of having streamlined websites, as you can clearly see from its webapp listings (see: http://www.apple.com/webapps/). Despite its promotion that you get access to the full web on it, they very well know that this idea is somewhat flawed and that consumers would tire of the zooming and pinching- only a matter of time before those streamlined sites start looking very appealing. While, Google is a backer for dotMobi. It doesn't mean they won't keep their options open like Apple.

But you should know this. After all, even domainers have disagreements regarding this extension. So, I'm not entirely surprised that some corporations are being slow at showing their adoption/support, after all a standards war has erupted.

Well, I am going to have to ask what exactly you classify as "promotions of substance" since, if anyone took the time to read your past posts, they would know that at first you questioned the fact that you didn't see any dotMobi domains being promoted by corporations, now that there are quite a few, you ask for "promotions of substance". It seems to me that you find it hard to accept that dotMobi is gaining strength among companies (Note: I know that there are lots of .mobi domains that are being dropped and that it could be interpreted by some as a lack of support, however it should be noted that a great percentage of these were owned by domain speculators and as Scandiman, a fellow member, put it- the majority are "junk" domains). In regards to an opportunity lost with the Summer Olympics; only mTLD can shed more light on this. However, this might of been more due to the current economic climate than anything else. After all, I would expect promotion and advertising funding to be cut at this point due to the current economic crisis we are facing.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=498049

Previously addressed the compliance question, same goes with the Ready "2" rating for Obamamobile.mobi.

Please elaborate more on what you are referring to when you say SUBSTANCE. The mobile site seems to provide two functions. 1) Brief notes covering the Obama Campaign - news/mini videos/alerts/etc. 2) Some fun stuff for your mobile to show support for Barack Obama - wallpaper/ringtones/etc. As I see it, if you wish to get more detailed information, you go to the PC version. But for the "On the Go" individual on his/her mobile phone; brief information and cool stuff makes sense to me!

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For the time being this post addressed Jeff's comments. I will reply to all your comments/questions directed to myself, later today. And thanks for participating.

Jeff

Thanks for the post ...
We are looking for specifics - while realizing that you're not officially affiliated with Barack Obama's campaign - with regard to how and where and to what extent is this Obama "dot Mobey" is being actively promoted (other than on mTLD's blog entitled dotmobi.typepad.com)?!? Also, would we even be talking about this topic today ... if it had not been posted on the mTLD blog entitled dotmobi.typepad.com and then her in this space as "newsworthy" for the "dot Mobey"?!? IYHO.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=498049
Again, answers to questions and concerns ... and substance!

Regards,
Jeff

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Keith

Have you looked at the difference between the links you provided? Check it out via whatever mobile device you have. BTW, what kind of phone do you have Jeff?

On a side note. I had a great sale today to an enduser. They contacted
me out of the blue and made an offer I could not refuse

Jeff

An End user ... which one, and for which domain name, specifically?
I know of zero "reported sales" to End users ... that have resulted in actual developed, substantive, stand-alone, fully compliant (scoring at least "4" out of a possible "5" at Ready), and actively promoted "dot Mobey's", IMHO.

Looking for substance, thanks for the assist!
-Jeff

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Keith

Ah, don't want to give that info out just yet. The negotiation and completed sale went through in a matter of an hour though I'll post as things progress!

As far as scoring goes...I'm not that concerned. Obamamobile.mobi only scores 2/5, yet on my iphone everything looks amazing. That may not be the case on all mobile devices though I guess the future is leading toward smart phones so no need to worry

mjnels

thats some pretty strict criteria there.. the "stand alone" thing is kinda silly. its obvious some companies are going to forward their website.mobi to a section of their .com or whatever they were using before.

all those other TLD's came first... not the other way around. if the mobile site is developed, compliant, and actively promoted... thats all that matters for the user.

the world (non domainers) does not write down what the URL bar says after they enter the .mobi address that was given to them by whatever means (advertising by TV, radio, word of mouth, etc).. they just use what was advertised.

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DBADT2007

Great information you brought up.
So what you are saying is that John Mccain is old. Oh wait, so is .com when compared to .mobi.

That's what the pc version has been developed for, I see the mobile version more of a fun site directed to young voters whom already have checked out the pc version. Would you want a detail profile which could potentially cause your mobile phone to choke? I can just see it now: "error document to large". Brief profile, news alerts, and fun stuff for the mobile makes sense to me. If I want a full campaign coverage- I can always check out the pc version.

As Keithmt stated:
But having more of the same "OLD" politics (aka Cand. J. Mccain = Pres. Bush) isn't very convincing- unless, you are an oil tycoon. Just my two cents.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=498049

Interestingly enough earmark.mobi and earmarks.mobi are both taken. Something to think about.

MJ

Don't see what all the fuss is about, especially with todays technology. If you go to any website.com it can detect if using a mobile device and show you a stripped down version of the site. No other extentions to remember if on your cell phone, same great site - different views - one domain. I dont know why more sites don't do this.

Going with the .mobi trend, we might as well have .iphone for sites best viewed on iPhones, .blackberry for sites on blackberries etc. This is quite possible with the new ability to create your own TLD.
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(I own some .mobi I am not bashing it - just sharing my ever changing thoughts about it)

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