Ralph Nader's Chances

CoolGuy · 03-30-2004, 01:42 PM

Why is this guy running. He's only worsing Kerry's chances. If he does gets a heap of votes Kerry woulsn't get and Bush would win.

RJ · 03-30-2004, 01:52 PM

His chances of winning are slim, but he has valid reasons for running a campaign.

About his 'vote stealing' -- From:
http://www.votenader.org/why_ralph/index.php?cid=3
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/the-break-room/25176-ralph-naders-chances.html

Quote:

Did Ralph cost Al Gore the election in 2000?
No.

Al Gore won the election in 2000.

George W. Bush cost Al Gore the election.

No one is entitled to votes, they must be earned.

To say someone is a "spoiler" is to relegate all third-party and independent candidates to second class citizenship. American does not belong to two parties.

The Constitution does not mention parties.

This country had a rich history of third parties.

George W. Bush’s recount strategy in Florida cost Gore the election.

The deceptive butterfly ballot, which Democratic officials approved, cost Al Gore the election.

Katherine Harris-style purging of tens of thousands of non ex-felons from the voter roles cost the election.

A 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court stop of the recount cost Gore the election. (See Jeffrey Toobin’s book Too Close to Call).

Playing the "what if" game, Gore cost Gore the election in Tennessee, Arkansas, and each of the presidential debates.

Buchanan cost Bush four states (Oregon, Iowa, Wisconsin, and New Mexico).

Except for brief, progressive moments, such as at the convention, which helped his polls, Gore ran the usual, lackluster corporate Democratic campaign.

And they did. They voted for Bush, including more than 250,000 self-identified Democrats in Florida.

Moreover, a Democratic exit poll showed that Ralph’s votes came 25% from Republicans, 38% from Democrats, and the rest were nonvoters who would have only voted for Ralph.

In other words, more than sixty percent of Ralph’s voters would NOT have voted for Gore.

In New Hampshire, exit polls showed that Ralph "took more votes" from Republicans than Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin.

CNN’s polling data said that if neither Nader nor Buchanan had run, Bush would have beat Gore 48 to 47 percent, with 4 percent who voted not voting.

For the last three years Democrats and media pundits have been smearing Ralph Nader and the Greens — oblivious to the facts — looking for a scapegoat for the failures of their own party and its candidates.

It is not the job of third-party or Independent candidates to make sure either of the two major parties wins.

That would be like asking a new start-up to make sure Microsoft or Apple has more market share.

Moreover, there are 100 million people in this country who do not vote. There are plenty of nonvoters for all candidates to attract.

Electoral votes are not a zero-sum game.

Historically, third parties and Independents move very important agendas.

CoolGuy · 03-30-2004, 02:07 PM

I agree to an extent. There is plenty of nonvoters for candidates to attract but he should leave them for the two main candidates. I see no point in entering something where you can't win.

Darkfire001 · 03-30-2004, 03:38 PM

"I see no point in entering something where you can't win."

By running as a third party, Ralph Nader is hoping that a larger party will take some of his issues and make them national in the hopes that his party will progress.

CoolGuy · 03-30-2004, 03:41 PM

Again the chances are rather slim.

Anthony · 03-30-2004, 04:53 PM

Nader isn't even running with the backing of the Green Party this election. He has no chance of winning. He just wants some time in the spotlight.

Evilhaider · 03-30-2004, 06:26 PM

What really cracks me up - those Lyndon LaRouche people that are always on my university campus passing out flyers and other stuff trying to talk to people about LaRouce. It's funny because he's been running in the last 8 straight presidential elections (that's 32 years) and has YET to even be nominated by his own party. I usually just avoid them. I've read a couple of things they gave me and it sort of made me laugh. Once, we went online to dig up dirt on this guy and go back down there and piss them off by mentioning his arrests,etc but we decided against it. I was thinking one of these days I'll walk by them with a water bottle and soon as they approach me, I'll sprinkle some on them and yell 'The power of Christ compels you!'.

ktj4l · 03-31-2004, 04:57 AM

Watch Bush take the prize again. I'll sit here and laugh my ass off, if it happens.

CoolGuy · 03-31-2004, 05:13 PM

Yep i agree bush will win again.
Though this 9/11 panel is a pain in his butt.

Anthony · 03-31-2004, 11:46 PM

If Bush wins, I don't imagine many people in the US will be laughing.

CoolGuy · 04-01-2004, 03:38 AM

Same here I guess.

bigboss · 04-01-2004, 04:01 AM

Maybe he has second thoughts about the Corvair
Make mine a CORVAIR CONVERTIBLE 164 TURBO MONZA

By tossing in his hat into the political ring
It creates a sucking sound
A sound of undecided voters
being pulled from the parties
that actually might win
It takes the balance out of the vote

John

CoolGuy · 04-01-2004, 10:36 AM

Maybe

rabid_nerd · 04-01-2004, 11:22 AM

Giving 10 reasons why Gore didn't get into the White House does NOT mean that Ralph Nader - who targeted swing states on election eve and was in Southern Florida on the Sunday before the election day - had no effect.

If not for Nader, Gore would be President.

Of course other things could have changed. But denying that fact is crazy.

Anyone has a valid reason to run if they are:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=25176
- 35 by January 20, 2005
- Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.

Nader is not helping anyone by running but himself. HE discredits thrid partys. Which is why the Greens dropped his butt.

He lost his mind some time in the last 10 years. He's become egomaniacal.

He's running for running's sake. He's running to BE a spolier - even his own words speak to that - "two fronts" against Bush.

He's no independant either - he is as much a corporate lackey and party hack as anyone.

It's sad to have such a side show for this guy - it WOULD be nice to have a REAL viable third choice.

cialismax · 04-02-2004, 05:16 PM

Nader is not going to win period.

CoolGuy · 04-02-2004, 05:18 PM

Well said.

Anthony · 04-03-2004, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cialismax
Nader is not going to win period.

Of course he isn't, but that's not the problem. The problem with him running is that he would get more Democratic votes than Republican ones, thus skewing the election results between Kerry and Bush.

03-30-2004, 01:42 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
CoolGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,505	Ralph Nader's Chances Why is this guy running. He's only worsing Kerry's chances. If he does gets a heap of votes Kerry woulsn't get and Bush would win. __________________ Social Blurpalicious Directory Submissions World Internet Discovery Forums International & Local Political Blog Domain for sale: salesold.com (expires April 2009)

03-30-2004, 02:07 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
CoolGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,505	I agree to an extent. There is plenty of nonvoters for candidates to attract but he should leave them for the two main candidates. I see no point in entering something where you can't win. __________________ Social Blurpalicious Directory Submissions World Internet Discovery Forums International & Local Political Blog Domain for sale: salesold.com (expires April 2009)

03-30-2004, 03:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Darkfire001 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,123	"I see no point in entering something where you can't win." By running as a third party, Ralph Nader is hoping that a larger party will take some of his issues and make them national in the hopes that his party will progress. __________________ Reichelt Solutions

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CoolGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,505	Again the chances are rather slim. __________________ Social Blurpalicious Directory Submissions World Internet Discovery Forums International & Local Political Blog Domain for sale: salesold.com (expires April 2009)

03-30-2004, 06:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Evilhaider NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 252	What really cracks me up - those Lyndon LaRouche people that are always on my university campus passing out flyers and other stuff trying to talk to people about LaRouce. It's funny because he's been running in the last 8 straight presidential elections (that's 32 years) and has YET to even be nominated by his own party. I usually just avoid them. I've read a couple of things they gave me and it sort of made me laugh. Once, we went online to dig up dirt on this guy and go back down there and piss them off by mentioning his arrests,etc but we decided against it. I was thinking one of these days I'll walk by them with a water bottle and soon as they approach me, I'll sprinkle some on them and yell 'The power of Christ compels you!'. __________________ Tutorial Maniacs - The most comprehensive collection of QUALITY hand picked tutorial links on the internet. http://www.tutorialmaniacs.com

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03-30-2004, 04:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
Anthony NamePros Expert Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 9,132	Nader isn't even running with the backing of the Green Party this election. He has no chance of winning. He just wants some time in the spotlight.

03-31-2004, 04:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
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03-31-2004, 05:13 PM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
CoolGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,505	Yep i agree bush will win again. Though this 9/11 panel is a pain in his butt. __________________ Social Blurpalicious Directory Submissions World Internet Discovery Forums International & Local Political Blog Domain for sale: salesold.com (expires April 2009)

03-31-2004, 11:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
Anthony NamePros Expert Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 9,132	If Bush wins, I don't imagine many people in the US will be laughing.

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CoolGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,505	Same here I guess. __________________ Social Blurpalicious Directory Submissions World Internet Discovery Forums International & Local Political Blog Domain for sale: salesold.com (expires April 2009)

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bigboss NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: On a Farm in Wisconsin Posts: 484	Maybe he has second thoughts about the Corvair Make mine a CORVAIR CONVERTIBLE 164 TURBO MONZA By tossing in his hat into the political ring It creates a sucking sound A sound of undecided voters being pulled from the parties that actually might win It takes the balance out of the vote John

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04-01-2004, 11:22 AM	#14 (permalink)
rabid_nerd NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Meadville Posts: 640 Follow @rabidnerd	Giving 10 reasons why Gore didn't get into the White House does NOT mean that Ralph Nader - who targeted swing states on election eve and was in Southern Florida on the Sunday before the election day - had no effect. If not for Nader, Gore would be President. Of course other things could have changed. But denying that fact is crazy. Anyone has a valid reason to run if they are: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=25176 - 35 by January 20, 2005 - Natural Born Citizen of the U.S. Nader is not helping anyone by running but himself. HE discredits thrid partys. Which is why the Greens dropped his butt. He lost his mind some time in the last 10 years. He's become egomaniacal. He's running for running's sake. He's running to BE a spolier - even his own words speak to that - "two fronts" against Bush. He's no independant either - he is as much a corporate lackey and party hack as anyone. It's sad to have such a side show for this guy - it WOULD be nice to have a REAL viable third choice. __________________ Rabid Nerd Productions - $10.49 Domains - $2.92 Hosting - $12 SSL - an eNom Volume ETP * Your Local Weather Forecast

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04-02-2004, 05:18 PM	THREAD STARTER #16 (permalink)
CoolGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,505	Well said. __________________ Social Blurpalicious Directory Submissions World Internet Discovery Forums International & Local Political Blog Domain for sale: salesold.com (expires April 2009)