Please tell me, what is WRONG WITH FRAMES?!

Mp)Tarh · 08-24-2003, 05:55 AM

Ok, I've seen hundreds (litteraly, hundreds) of people who hate frames.

Why?

Can someone please tell me WHAT IS WRONG WITH FRAMES?!

And who hates it more? The surfer or the creator?

DarkDevil · 08-24-2003, 07:03 PM

I hate them as a "creator" because they are a pain in the ass, why use frames when are very limited when you can use php and css. (I know, it sounds like i'm saying Why use a wheel when i could use a fan and air blatter [see; the makings of a hovercraft] but it makes sence in my head)

I hate them as a surfer because people who use them tend to not use them correctly.

web guru · 08-25-2003, 04:09 AM

hmmmm how would you use php instead of frames??

Fallout_Multi. · 08-25-2003, 09:41 AM

In PHP you can include files, which is somewhat similar to frames, but everything is still on one page. A designer could include a header, main content and a footer, with the layout and images contained in the header and footer. Frames can be used correctly (in the form of an iframe) but only in some cases. Frames also will completely confuse the browser when printing. You will just get a white space where your frame was.

- Fallout

web guru · 08-25-2003, 10:30 AM

Ah I see. The only type of frame I would ever use would be an iframe.

Fallout_Multi. · 08-25-2003, 10:51 AM

Good stuff. Here is a link to php.net for include() if you want to read it. http://us4.php.net/manual/en/function.include.php

DarkDevil · 08-25-2003, 07:29 PM

If your going to use Iframes, atleast use some CSS to make it look good, but i still don't like them...

pistol · 09-01-2003, 10:10 PM

ah, i think i got Nick started on this! I can fondly relax knowing full well there's another purist on this board ^_^

Beyond the reasons states above, there are others:

Frames allow little control of where a viewer ends up on a page. After a few months of your site being up, the pages themselves will end up on google. Then you have the problem of people arriving at pages without your menu, which is in another frame.

Beyond this, it's even illegal to use frames in government sites(int he united states) according to a bill signed by former president Bill(someday i'll have to get the specifics on this). the reason being is that framed sites don't read correctly in alternate browsers. i.e. voice modulators for the blind.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/the-break-room/15165-please-tell-me-what-wrong-frames.html

so for the sake of the blind and the users of google(by far the majority of these two groups), it's best to be leery of those frames.

DarkDevil · 09-02-2003, 09:12 PM

your right pistol, i saw the light, and i followed that light, but when i got to the light i looked back, and you waved at me and said "No! Go to the other light, the fancy looking one!" so i did, and you know what? That light was made 95% with CSS.

G_Designer13 · 09-13-2003, 10:19 AM

FRAMES......

:crabby: :angry:

08-24-2003, 05:55 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Mp)Tarh NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 98	Please tell me, what is WRONG WITH FRAMES?! Ok, I've seen hundreds (litteraly, hundreds) of people who hate frames. Why? Can someone please tell me WHAT IS WRONG WITH FRAMES?! And who hates it more? The surfer or the creator? __________________ Yeah... I knew that. What?

08-24-2003, 07:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
DarkDevil NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 481	I hate them as a "creator" because they are a pain in the ass, why use frames when are very limited when you can use php and css. (I know, it sounds like i'm saying Why use a wheel when i could use a fan and air blatter [see; the makings of a hovercraft] but it makes sence in my head) I hate them as a surfer because people who use them tend to not use them correctly. __________________ Sometimes I lay awake at night and I ask "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a little voice says "This is going to take more than one night"

08-25-2003, 04:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
web guru NamePros Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 118	hmmmm how would you use php instead of frames?? __________________ Paulicon Web design - Your one stop shop

08-25-2003, 09:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Fallout_Multi. NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 103	In PHP you can include files, which is somewhat similar to frames, but everything is still on one page. A designer could include a header, main content and a footer, with the layout and images contained in the header and footer. Frames can be used correctly (in the form of an iframe) but only in some cases. Frames also will completely confuse the browser when printing. You will just get a white space where your frame was. - Fallout __________________ http://www.falloutweb.com

08-25-2003, 10:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
web guru NamePros Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 118	Ah I see. The only type of frame I would ever use would be an iframe. __________________ Paulicon Web design - Your one stop shop

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08-25-2003, 10:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
Fallout_Multi. NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 103	Good stuff. Here is a link to php.net for include() if you want to read it. http://us4.php.net/manual/en/function.include.php __________________ http://www.falloutweb.com

08-25-2003, 07:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
DarkDevil NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 481	If your going to use Iframes, atleast use some CSS to make it look good, but i still don't like them... __________________ Sometimes I lay awake at night and I ask "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a little voice says "This is going to take more than one night"

09-01-2003, 10:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
pistol NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 117	ah, i think i got Nick started on this! I can fondly relax knowing full well there's another purist on this board ^_^ Beyond the reasons states above, there are others: Frames allow little control of where a viewer ends up on a page. After a few months of your site being up, the pages themselves will end up on google. Then you have the problem of people arriving at pages without your menu, which is in another frame. Beyond this, it's even illegal to use frames in government sites(int he united states) according to a bill signed by former president Bill(someday i'll have to get the specifics on this). the reason being is that framed sites don't read correctly in alternate browsers. i.e. voice modulators for the blind. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/the-break-room/15165-please-tell-me-what-wrong-frames.html so for the sake of the blind and the users of google(by far the majority of these two groups), it's best to be leery of those frames.

09-02-2003, 09:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
DarkDevil NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 481	your right pistol, i saw the light, and i followed that light, but when i got to the light i looked back, and you waved at me and said "No! Go to the other light, the fancy looking one!" so i did, and you know what? That light was made 95% with CSS. __________________ Sometimes I lay awake at night and I ask "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a little voice says "This is going to take more than one night"

09-13-2003, 10:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
G_Designer13 New Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 8	FRAMES...... :crabby: :angry:

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