SquireQuack

I'm thinkiing...George W. Bush could be the unluckiest american president of them all...

100 days into his first term...9/11 happened.
The the War on Iraq.
The economy
then
Hurricane Katrina.

Bush may not be doing a good job...but I'm thinking this could be the best he can do...What do you think?

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Lyte

Yeah, I think the poor bugger has a lot on his plate!

SquireQuack

The question is...is he doing what he can do?

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movingconcierge

I think we're the unlucky ones...I think GW is an awful president. I think he is a bible thumping unilateral force of destruction. Nothing good will happen while he, or the people he places, are in power. I can't stand him nor his policies. ...weasel...

.X.

Considering what he walked into from clinton era,I think he has done an excellent job.I agree with lyte,Has alot on his plate.I don't think Hilary Clinton brings a bright future as president,And she is very likely to be the Demo party nominee,But politics is not my fortee,So that's my 2 cents.

RJ

How do you think Al Gore or John Kerry would have done handing the same situations? Probably safe to say we would not be in Iraq, but would anything else be different?

Please keep your Bush-bashing to minimum.

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movingconcierge

"Please keep your Bush-bashing to minimum."

What? and Why?

RJ

It would be too easy to just toss out insults about GWB. I'm more interested in answers to the questions posed.

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Lyte

One can't escape "hind sight" because it's here and a valuable educational tool. At the time of each incident I think he did what he thought needed to be done. Looking back it's easy to see where mistakes were made and realize that more could have been done.

I don't think the Presidency comes with a crystal ball.

movingconcierge

"100 days into his first term...9/11 happened."
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I would think that GW would have had a unique insight into the possibility of terrorism since his father was director of the CIA and President during the nineties. Surely he and pop had some conversations about the bad guys...

Also, I beleive that the lack of communication during the "uniters" watch was poor and led to relevant intelligence from the FBI being disregarded.

"The the War on Iraq."

A total fabrication of the Bush Administration. Every leg that GW used to stand on to go to Iraq has been kicked out from under him. All he has left is that if you are against the war you are not a patriot, total crap.


"The economy"

When GW took over, we had a SURPLUS budget. During his watch, we watched that go down the drain along with the largest deficit in us history. I personally feel like I've been squeezed of all the fat I had during the Clinton years.

"then Hurricane Katrina."

Obviously, he didn't cause this. But I do think he reacted rather slowly. Didn't he give a speech in NY on 9/12? Why did it take him so long to get to NO? Why was FEMA so ill-prepared to get supplies and troops to NO? No, he didn't cause Katrina, but he didn't do enough, and certainly not quick enough...

SquireQuack

Tell u the truth...I kinda feel sorry for GWB.

With all this happening...he's bound to make some fatal mistakes.

What would you have done?

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movingconcierge

I would have kept our troops here...protecting our borders and our citizens. That would have saved a whole lotta loot and we'd be a little bit more secure...I think.

Humdizzy

Farenheit 9/11 and Inside 9/11 on the National Geographic channel would clear up all the questions about the war, 9/11, and the economy. If everyone saw it there would be a lot less ignorant people.

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movingconcierge

Dizzy...there's a book out there about why, in the face of the blatant facts, people still like and vote for that D***...it's called "Don't Think of an Elephant" I had many ah ha's as I read it...

BTW...my wife was a repub., so just before she voted last time, I bought 911 for her...1 less GW vote...

HHDomains

Trust me, the next president would give his left nut to walk into the situation that Clinton left compared to the nightmare that Bush will be leaving.

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movingconcierge

no doubt, HH...

faisj

unlucky??
I will not say anything about 9/11 ( i mean there are enough books/movies about that)

War on Iraq - He started it?!?!!!

The economy - Is it not his administration

Hurricane Katrina - thats not his fault... but, after i saw how he reacted
at 9/11 i mean sorry... i dont have any idea how he could become
the president of the USA.
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Hmmm ... You guys do understand that Just because something is on National Geo .... that it isnt necessarily a Documentary in the "True" Form right ?

I dont care how much Info anyone was Privy to - No one could have foreseen or fully prevented 9-11 from happening IMO. At least not without taking all of our Given Rights and throwing them out the door ... Think about it - No matter what it is .... If something is Illegal or Un-Desireable , There is a Black Market Concession to fulfill the need (Including Sex , Guns , Drugs , and Violence). Even if the borders were completely closed off - There would be Smugglers to bring them in .... -OR- Idiots in the U.S. for Hire already to do bad things.

As far as the current Hurricane Crisis goes ... There could have been quicker responses from the federal government - and there could have been more access to Transportation out of the area before it happened , But a lot of these deaths are due to "The Boy who cried Wolf" more or less - These folks were warned of the magnitude of this storm , but a lot chose to stay because they Figured their homes were sturdy enough. I've been through many Hurricanes ... and from personal experience - I can tell you that anything in the mid to upper Category 3 Hurricane is enough to make me head for higher ground now a days. And I'm at least 20+ feet above Mean Sea Level (As opposed to flat or below it) and several miles from the actual beach.
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It is a very sad event ... I just hope people will use it as a learning experience from now on out

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GeneCosta

I'll bold things that aren't "unlucky".

100 days into his first term...9/11 happened.
The the War on Iraq.
The economy
Hurricane Katrina.

In my opinion, those are his fault. He was forwarned before September 11th happened, and little to no action was taken to stop the terrorists. Now I'm not saying Clinton didn't know about the problems during his administration, but the threat wasn't as big of a problem during his presidency and he did all Congress would allow him to do after the "sex scandel" occured.

The War in Iraq unlucky for him? More like unlucky for us. I don't see how HE fell into that. He BROUGHT us into that.

As for the economy, yes after 10 years of such amazing growth there is going to be a problem, but let's face it for the first 4 years Bush's tax cuts weren't helping us at all. Add on to the fact he was spending on Iraq (something he started), and pushing for No Child Left Behind even though states are begging for it be reformed-- You get the picture.
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Either of those two would have taken a different approach towards the economy, we would have continued to get rid of our national debt instead of adding to it, and yes- we would have added the War in Iraq. Oh, how I wish I could have voted in 00'..

ZuraX

SO the intel from other countries agreeing that Saddam had WMD never existed?

War will do that. I had no "Fat" when Clinton was in office. I have more cash now than when he was in office.

He is moving fast enough for me and many others. I would rather have him in Washington doing what needs to be done than on the ground/water in NO talking. I believe the NO Mayor said the same thing.

Farenheit 9/11 was fiction and a joke. I have yet to see Inside 9/11 so no comments on it.

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Lyte

You think Mayor Ray Nagin is happy with the pace? I took the liberty of bolding some parts for you.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/

Mayor to feds: 'Get off your asses'

Transcript of radio interview with New Orleans' Nagin

Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 2:59 p.m. EDT (18:59 GMT)

(CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM.

The following is a transcript of WWL correspondent Garland Robinette's interview with Nagin on Thursday night. Robinette asked the mayor about his conversation with President Bush:

NAGIN: I told him we had an incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it justice. And that I have been all around this city, and I am very frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're outmanned in just about every respect. (Listen to the mayor express his frustration in this video -- 12:09)

You know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because we had most of our resources saving people, thousands of people that were stuck in attics, man, old ladies. ... You pull off the doggone ventilator vent and you look down there and they're standing in there in water up to their freaking necks.

And they don't have a clue what's going on down here. They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn -- excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed.

WWL: Did you say to the president of the United States, "I need the military in here"?

NAGIN: I said, "I need everything."

Now, I will tell you this -- and I give the president some credit on this -- he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is [Lt.] Gen. [Russel] Honore.

And he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving. And he's getting some stuff done.

They ought to give that guy -- if they don't want to give it to me, give him full authority to get the job done, and we can save some people.

WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.

I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. ... We don't have anything, and we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.

It's awful down here, man.

WWL: Do you believe that the president is seeing this, holding a news conference on it but can't do anything until [Louisiana Gov.] Kathleen Blanco requested him to do it? And do you know whether or not she has made that request?

NAGIN: I have no idea what they're doing. But I will tell you this: You know, God is looking down on all this, and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you.

We're getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart, from people saying, "I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is up to my neck. I don't think I can hold out." And that's happening as we speak.

You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."

WWL: Who'd you say that to?

NAGIN: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it.

And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives.

And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people.

In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there.

So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action.

WWL: Why couldn't they drop the 3,000-pound sandbags or the containers that they were talking about earlier? Was it an engineering feat that just couldn't be done?

NAGIN: They said it was some pulleys that they had to manufacture. But, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you figure out ways to get stuff done.

Then they told me that they went overnight, and they built 17 concrete structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop them.

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I flew over that thing yesterday, and it's in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here.

WWL: If some of the public called and they're right, that there's a law that the president, that the federal government can't do anything without local or state requests, would you request martial law?

NAGIN: I've already called for martial law in the city of New Orleans. We did that a few days ago.

WWL: Did the governor do that, too?

NAGIN: I don't know. I don't think so.

But we called for martial law when we realized that the looting was getting out of control. And we redirected all of our police officers back to patrolling the streets. They were dead-tired from saving people, but they worked all night because we thought this thing was going to blow wide open last night. And so we redirected all of our resources, and we hold it under check.

I'm not sure if we can do that another night with the current resources.

And I am telling you right now: They're showing all these reports of people looting and doing all that weird stuff, and they are doing that, but people are desperate and they're trying to find food and water, the majority of them.

Now you got some knuckleheads out there, and they are taking advantage of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and survive.

And one of the things people -- nobody's talked about this. Drugs flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me, and that's why we were having the escalation in murders. People don't want to talk about this, but I'm going to talk about it.

You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix, and that's the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They're looking for something to take the edge off of their jones, if you will.

And right now, they don't have anything to take the edge off. And they've probably found guns. So what you're seeing is drug-starving crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don't have the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we're not overrun.

WWL: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks because of a law that says the federal government can't come in unless requested by the proper people, that everything that's going on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

NAGIN: Really?

WWL: I know you don't feel that way.

NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go through a formal process to request?

You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there? What is more important?

And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.

WWL: You and I will be in the funny place together.

NAGIN: But we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places.

Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.

You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly.

And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.
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WWL: What can we do here?

NAGIN: Keep talking about it.

WWL: We'll do that. What else can we do?

NAGIN: Organize people to write letters and make calls to their congressmen, to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggone offices with requests to do something. This is ridiculous.

I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count.

Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.

WWL: I'll say it right now, you're the only politician that's called and called for arms like this. And if -- whatever it takes, the governor, president -- whatever law precedent it takes, whatever it takes, I bet that the people listening to you are on your side.

NAGIN: Well, I hope so, Garland. I am just -- I'm at the point now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same in this time.

WWL: We're both pretty speechless here.

NAGIN: Yeah, I don't know what to say. I got to go.

WWL: OK. Keep in touch. Keep in touch.


Hmm... doesn't sound like he's too happy to me.

movingconcierge

Isn't that exactly was the 911 commission report stated?
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I know war will do that. He brought us into war...unilaterally.


I'm sorry to hear that. I have less money now than I did then. Period. And that's despite scratching for more. What was your station in life during the Clinton years?

Yes, the NO mayor did say that...ON THE THIRD DAY...The fed's just did not plan enough nor did they move quick enough...it's a concensus even from GW himself...so you are in the minority on this one...


Again, I highly recommend "Don't Think of an Elephant" as a good read into why some people refuse to accept certain facts that fly in the face of their framework...It explains why some people get f911 and some think it's crap...

CrazyTech

He's been about as unlucky as one can be in that office.

If you want to go on believing all of these conspiracy stories that you're spoon fed then by all means go right ahead, that's your choice. Enjoy the coolaid. As for me, I won't base my decisions off of dvd's. I like to do my own thinking.

Bush has been plagued by bad timing and bad events. Anyone who thinks he could have forseen 9/11 and been prepared to deal with it 100 days into office needs to get out of politics immediately.

Clinton never really saw spiking gas prices. He was too busy trying to appease everyone. He was also too busy cutting our military in half. Perhaps that other half could have dealt with the Katrina situation while we are in Iraq as well. Hell, 9/11 might not have happened had Clinton's effort to kill bin Laden not taken place or he had actually followed up. Moore and crew seems to forget about this. Clinton missed, pissed him off and there's your 9/11. That cut in the military budget made it that much easier.
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Getting back to the gas prices - considering our economy runs on oil (transportation, common goods, and so on) we're married to it whether we like it or not. You want the reason that we're not at 11k or higher with the DOW? There it is, right in front of you. Bush can't wave a magic wand to suddenly rid us of our oil dependency. Clinton couldn't either. The fact is he never had this issue to deal with. He just had to cut the military spending in half and there's your balanced budget. Sacrificed personal security for financial security. Good call, eh?

I still see Iraq as the right move. We had a line of countries (Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria) who went far beyond protesting or opposing us. They've sponsored terrorism (see the 911 Report - a bipartisan committee) and been a part of killing American's as well as many others. Saddan should have gone in the Gulf War but naturally we bent to foreign pressure. This time we fixed our mistake.

Katrina. This is arguably the worst natural disaster in US history (once all is said and done) and could be one of the worst in our part of the world. He certainly could have responded better but hindsight is mostly 20/20. He should have done more but if you'll look at the facts it's only the 2nd time in history that FEMA was activated before the storm hit. This is where the DHS failed. The local government failed. State government failed. There were 800 buses sitting there untouched in NO. That wasn't Bush's fault. Local government could have and should have done something, but they didn't and now thousands may be dead.

.X.

Very well said and put in it's proper prospective imo

ZuraX

Lyte again proves Bush bashers dont read whats written but what they want to read. The NO Mayor said to get off their asses and do something. Whats Bush being in NO doing NOTHING!!!! He should be in Washington DOING something.

You bashers got to remember, the STATES have the power/rights first. Did anyone high up in the state government ask for help before hand? The US Government can not just go in and do as they please. They have to be ASKED by the State Government first.

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