Is "K" really a non-premium letter?

*alistair80* · 09-05-2010, 08:18 PM

Fellow NP'ers,

I have been thinking about this since a while ago. The letter "K" is considered by many as a non-premium letter. Some even regard it a bad-letter when it comes to lll or llll domains.

But if you think about it, K is a hard consonant and has an advantage when it comes to making a short domain pronounceable. The consonant "F" is softer but it outpowers "K" when it comes to acronym possibilities...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/675949-is-k-really-non-premium-letter.html

Personally, I tend to think that a triple premium + K in a llll.com as a quad premium. I have come across a few domainers that think my way...and have met some that are reluctant to consider "K" as a premium letter.

Your feedback on this would be much appreciated.

Cheers!

tekz999 · 09-05-2010, 10:00 PM

All letters are premium in their specific market. e.g. Chinese, Russia.

cache · 09-08-2010, 09:34 PM

in german the k is premium, it is the same as c.

Rayaprolu · 09-11-2010, 08:24 PM

Quote:

All letters are premium in their specific market. e.g. Chinese, Russia.

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in german the k is premium, it is the same as c.

I agree. Each country has its own set of standards for each letter. In my country there are a few people who'd do anything to get a k in front of everything (especially names) , as they consider it lucky. Similarly in other countries as well it holds some special value. So the "some" and "many" that you're talking about might be from a country which doesn't like k

JamesDavid · 09-30-2010, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by padomain

I see "K" always better than x, q, w

I would rather have XXX.com over KKK.com and woudl rather have SEX.com over SEK.com.

Premium vs non-premium is a situational debate that changes in every circumstance.

For totally random letters sure some are better BUT at no point and time should your purchase decisions be based on random letters you DONT knwo before purchase...

Personally I think the debate is stupid. I think the debate shoudl come down to premium DOMAINS vs non-premium DOMAINS...
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I have sold some really crappy domains IN fact my highest LLLL.com sales came on two domains, one with a "Z" and one with a "J"...

*alistair80* · 09-30-2010, 12:32 PM

@JamesDavid

I see you're from Chicago. So am I! It's always nice to see folks from Chicago here

accent · 09-30-2010, 05:47 PM

This is a long-standing debate. Originally the intent was to simplify - and since most of the internet was then in English the list was biased that way.

There are still variations in letter value, worldwide "S" is the most popular and "Q" is the least. Lists of $10 LLLL's are packed with Q,X and Z. (Those familiar with Chinese can find bargains there.)

"W" is the most popular of the semi-premiums, followed by "U" and "K" (then J,V,Y), yet triple premium LLLLs with "K" sold out long before those with U or W in the buy-out.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=675949

All letters have their uses somewhere, it really is about the odds that a particular domain can attract an end-user. Those odds are pretty low, regardless. Letter quality is one of several tools that can improve the odds.

*alistair80* · 09-30-2010, 09:09 PM

I got drfk a few days ago; my only triple premium with k as of today!

**gemstar** · 09-30-2010, 09:54 PM

It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

1rrr1 · 10-01-2010, 12:58 AM

I think K is pretty good, definitely the best letter out of the settled "non premium" letters.

lenka12 · 10-14-2010, 11:07 PM

I agree. Each country has its own set of standards for each letter.

chandan · 10-14-2010, 11:39 PM

it is a premium letter

*alistair80* · 10-15-2010, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by chandan

it is a premium letter

chandan, you really think so? it's just that i feel that "k" is a good closing letter in a pronounceable 4L. it's a strong consonant and certainly works better than "f" in the end.

biggie · 10-15-2010, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by tekz999

All letters are premium

agree!
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domainers are the only people who discriminate against a letter.

which makes those who follow the quad, triple, double, single premium philosophy... "alphabet bigots"

they are close-minded people, who should be shunned.

they will try to apply their discriminatory practices and guidelines to your domains if you deal with them.

they will make every attempt to "devalue" your property and/or reduce your confidence in the domains you own based on the letters they label as non-premium.

wake up!

imo...

*alistair80* · 10-15-2010, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by biggie

agree!

domainers are the only people who discriminate against a letter.

which makes those who follow the quad, triple, double, single premium philosophy... "alphabet bigots"

they are close-minded people, who should be shunned.

they will try to apply their discriminatory practices and guidelines to your domains if you deal with them.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=675949

they will make every attempt to "devalue" your property and/or reduce your confidence in the domains you own based on the letters they label as non-premium.

wake up!

imo...

Repped. Big up, Biggie!

Absolutely true. It's just that the reported sales in general are usually low both in terms of number and price when it comes to so-called non-premium letters. I believe it has become a pattern that many of us are used to and let ourselves guided by!

kemjika11 · 10-15-2010, 09:55 AM

K is not a premium letter in an LLL IMO, BUT, there are other factors you should consider before downplaying its role or worth in the domain name.Most of my lll.ins don't have K in them though, but i recently bought kou.in and i like it.

Ben42 · 10-15-2010, 11:44 AM

Hey another Chicago guy here.

Whenever I'm looking at short domains I think about the Scrabble letter value. The higher the value and the less number available tiles the harder it is to use in a word. So maybe when looking at short domains, add up the "Scrabble Score" to help determine value.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=675949

K is all by itself in the middle according to Scrabble, it isn't premium or non-premium.

1 point: E ×12, A ×9, I ×9, O ×8, N ×6, R ×6, T ×6, L ×4, S ×4, U ×4
2 points: D ×4, G ×3
3 points: B ×2, C ×2, M ×2, P ×2
4 points: F ×2, H ×2, V ×2, W ×2, Y ×2
5 points: K ×1
8 points: J ×1, X ×1
10 points: Q ×1, Z ×1

But yes, it's true. It all has to do with where the letters are than what the letters are.

FreshAvails.com · 10-15-2010, 12:51 PM

You need to open up your mind! Valuing letters is so 2007! Pronouncable, flexible, memorable, usable, etc... the key to value is what can it be turned into. We all need to move forward on the Premium, Vs. Bad letter think. FYI Qwxq.com is for sale!!!

cache · 10-15-2010, 01:11 PM

since the number of llll holders is large, I think the market is efficient: let the price determine if it is premium. If it sells high for a particular letter statistically, it will become premium. We should not argue over this with our own preference.

SEOpro21 · 10-19-2010, 05:10 PM

Non-premium or premium, K is important for me and my brother: Kaibo and Kaibin Huang, thus we love our domain http://Khuang.com when I was able to get just huang.com (which was regitered on 1997-05-26 )in 1996.

We just needed a K in our domain.

*alistair80* · 10-19-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by MrSpartan

We all need to move forward on the Premium, Vs. Bad letter think. FYI Qwxq.com is for sale!!!

I was actually looking for one of such domains...Quad with the so-called bad letters! If you had a "Z" in that domain instead of the "W", I'd have made an offer. Want it all bad!

Asaf · 10-25-2010, 11:21 AM

I personally think that it's all about your end-user buyers - they will be the one who decides what's more valuable and what's less valuable.

but eventually the more the domain name makes sense the more valuable it is - regardless the value of the letters on their own.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=675949

here are some sales records of names that contained the letter 'k' :

iktq.com $266.00 10/24/2010 TDNAM
ykoo.com $488.00 10/20/2010 Sedo
lklk.com $711.00 10/12/2010 Sedo
jkkj.com $414.00 9/13/2010 TDNAM

and some older ones -

kcms.com $10,000.00 7/5/2010 Sedo
tike.com $5,401.00 7/22/2010 NameJet
kolt.com $2,955.00 7/17/2010 Sedo
epek.com $2,304.00 7/17/2010 Sedo
slak.com $1,215.00 7/4/2010 TDNAM

firebladeiii · 10-27-2010, 06:37 AM

My opinion is it is all about the situation. non premium letters also can be included in a premium word. If there is a famous brand with 4 letters consisting a non-premium letter. That letter will simply get the value.

The thing is.. premium letter has more chance to make premium keyword than that of non-premium letters. It doesn't mean non-premium letter will never bring up a premium word. Premium is always premium

LisaCline · 11-04-2010, 03:44 AM

K is special to me either.

*alistair80* · 11-10-2010, 02:56 PM

K is kinda special though...The consonant works well as fourth letter and makes an otherwise non-pronounceable domain a semi-/pronounceable...

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alistair80 @IndianJewelry.net Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,495 Follow @ADFLECT	Is "K" really a non-premium letter? Fellow NP'ers, I have been thinking about this since a while ago. The letter "K" is considered by many as a non-premium letter. Some even regard it a bad-letter when it comes to lll or llll domains. But if you think about it, K is a hard consonant and has an advantage when it comes to making a short domain pronounceable. The consonant "F" is softer but it outpowers "K" when it comes to acronym possibilities... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/675949-is-k-really-non-premium-letter.html Personally, I tend to think that a triple premium + K in a llll.com as a quad premium. I have come across a few domainers that think my way...and have met some that are reluctant to consider "K" as a premium letter. Your feedback on this would be much appreciated. Cheers! __________________ StartupConcepts.com coming soon...

09-05-2010, 10:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
tekz999 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,877	All letters are premium in their specific market. e.g. Chinese, Russia. __________________ $60 Three Premium Letters + Numbers + Keywords .BIZ/.US lah.biz+ 10+ Years Domains! PanelRoom.com+ $60

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cache Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Goblin Wars Zone & California Posts: 4,471	in german the k is premium, it is the same as c. __________________ LaFrance Hods Raids Trik OXSI GoblinWars IQx yPortal Idel enlo Kitu Hytu Albums eMontage Cereal Tarf MDTalks Toch TV vald hosy iBoar Glem wolk corg ypen DiTV

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accent Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,299	This is a long-standing debate. Originally the intent was to simplify - and since most of the internet was then in English the list was biased that way. There are still variations in letter value, worldwide "S" is the most popular and "Q" is the least. Lists of $10 LLLL's are packed with Q,X and Z. (Those familiar with Chinese can find bargains there.) "W" is the most popular of the semi-premiums, followed by "U" and "K" (then J,V,Y), yet triple premium LLLLs with "K" sold out long before those with U or W in the buy-out. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=675949 All letters have their uses somewhere, it really is about the odds that a particular domain can attract an end-user. Those odds are pretty low, regardless. Letter quality is one of several tools that can improve the odds. __________________ Domains for sale For List Of Country Code Domains Jewelry of Tibet and Nepal TibetanJewelry.mobi Tibetan Symbols Om Pyramids Ancient Egyptian Secrets Ancient Mystery Eden Shakti

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alistair80 @IndianJewelry.net Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,495 Follow @ADFLECT	I got drfk a few days ago; my only triple premium with k as of today! __________________ StartupConcepts.com coming soon...

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gemstar Born again domainer ;P Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,736 Follow @Iufodotcom	It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

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1rrr1 NamePros Expert Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,286	I think K is pretty good, definitely the best letter out of the settled "non premium" letters. __________________ Drop Catching Services - Click here for more info Especially effective for .co, .in and .co.in domains. I also offer drop lists for these extensions.

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lenka12 Account Closed Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1	I agree. Each country has its own set of standards for each letter.

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kemjika11 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: new England Posts: 2,134	K is not a premium letter in an LLL IMO, BUT, there are other factors you should consider before downplaying its role or worth in the domain name.Most of my lll.ins don't have K in them though, but i recently bought kou.in and i like it. __________________ My Sedo Names The love network- Buy a Humphree T! :bingo: Start your money making campaign

10-15-2010, 11:44 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ben42 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 2,115	Hey another Chicago guy here. Whenever I'm looking at short domains I think about the Scrabble letter value. The higher the value and the less number available tiles the harder it is to use in a word. So maybe when looking at short domains, add up the "Scrabble Score" to help determine value. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=675949 K is all by itself in the middle according to Scrabble, it isn't premium or non-premium. 1 point: E ×12, A ×9, I ×9, O ×8, N ×6, R ×6, T ×6, L ×4, S ×4, U ×4 2 points: D ×4, G ×3 3 points: B ×2, C ×2, M ×2, P ×2 4 points: F ×2, H ×2, V ×2, W ×2, Y ×2 5 points: K ×1 8 points: J ×1, X ×1 10 points: Q ×1, Z ×1 But yes, it's true. It all has to do with where the letters are than what the letters are. __________________ KG to Pounds Conversion Calculator Last edited by Ben42; 10-15-2010 at 11:54 AM.

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FreshAvails.com Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DC Suburbs Posts: 2,055 Follow @FreshAvails	You need to open up your mind! Valuing letters is so 2007! Pronouncable, flexible, memorable, usable, etc... the key to value is what can it be turned into. We all need to move forward on the Premium, Vs. Bad letter think. FYI Qwxq.com is for sale!!! __________________ FREE Available Domain Lists FreshAvails.com. Check out our Sneak Peek Program. Go to DomainVictor.com for the best domains for sale on the Web!

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cache Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Goblin Wars Zone & California Posts: 4,471	since the number of llll holders is large, I think the market is efficient: let the price determine if it is premium. If it sells high for a particular letter statistically, it will become premium. We should not argue over this with our own preference. __________________ LaFrance Hods Raids Trik OXSI GoblinWars IQx yPortal Idel enlo Kitu Hytu Albums eMontage Cereal Tarf MDTalks Toch TV vald hosy iBoar Glem wolk corg ypen DiTV

10-19-2010, 05:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
SEOpro21 New Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: California Posts: 3	Non-premium or premium, K is important for me and my brother: Kaibo and Kaibin Huang, thus we love our domain http://Khuang.com when I was able to get just huang.com (which was regitered on 1997-05-26 )in 1996. We just needed a K in our domain. __________________ SEOpro21 at kaibo2.com

10-25-2010, 11:21 AM	#22 (permalink)
Asaf New Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Israel Posts: 23	I personally think that it's all about your end-user buyers - they will be the one who decides what's more valuable and what's less valuable. but eventually the more the domain name makes sense the more valuable it is - regardless the value of the letters on their own. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=675949 here are some sales records of names that contained the letter 'k' : iktq.com $266.00 10/24/2010 TDNAM ykoo.com $488.00 10/20/2010 Sedo lklk.com $711.00 10/12/2010 Sedo jkkj.com $414.00 9/13/2010 TDNAM and some older ones - kcms.com $10,000.00 7/5/2010 Sedo tike.com $5,401.00 7/22/2010 NameJet kolt.com $2,955.00 7/17/2010 Sedo epek.com $2,304.00 7/17/2010 Sedo slak.com $1,215.00 7/4/2010 TDNAM

10-27-2010, 06:37 AM	#23 (permalink)
firebladeiii NamePros Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 36	My opinion is it is all about the situation. non premium letters also can be included in a premium word. If there is a famous brand with 4 letters consisting a non-premium letter. That letter will simply get the value. The thing is.. premium letter has more chance to make premium keyword than that of non-premium letters. It doesn't mean non-premium letter will never bring up a premium word. Premium is always premium __________________ ___ ____/__ /_ ___/ __ __/ __ /_____ \ _ /___ _ /_____/ / /_____/ /____/____/

11-04-2010, 03:44 AM	#24 (permalink)
LisaCline New Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3	K is special to me either.

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alistair80 @IndianJewelry.net Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,495 Follow @ADFLECT	K is kinda special though...The consonant works well as fourth letter and makes an otherwise non-pronounceable domain a semi-/pronounceable... __________________ StartupConcepts.com coming soon...

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