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Old 05-22-2008, 05:26 PM   · #1
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I must say i was just in the live auctions and someone is pushing a name as VVVV but it contains a Y in it. I find it funny since its not a vowel, also even funnier how poeple will do anything to make something more valuable. If for example it said Vowels are less valuable wouldnt this person use the Y as a consinant? answer yes. bringin me to my point, we all know the premium semi premium etc list put out, however I will totally dispute it here. Its not accurate at all in fact its somewhat a joke. Letters S,T,N,R,E are the best and most common letters in US words, period. SO to say that for example GHDB is as good as STNR is a joke. Also the letter U is very authoritive especially in the first position, yet its not premium. The whole double and triple lettering is also somewhat of a joke, how many words use the same first letter within a brand name or a short slogan not as frequent to warrant a higher value, but then again a fewer amount can actually contain this, would be the argument, id agree but how many would ever know or go there. I agree some guidlines are needed, but we all know theres a few around here attempting to control this market, thanks for listening now shoot me down!


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Old 05-22-2008, 06:14 PM   · #2
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I largely agree, however I will have to shoot you down on the triple letter...

Yes, very few endusers have the acronym GGG.com, in example, but a triple repeat letter LLL.com like GGG.com is a 100k+ domain any day of the week. That makes names like GGGA, GGGB, etc extremely cheap alternatives for any company with the acronym GGG. I guess we could say the whole triple lettering thing is messed up -- sounds like a fair statement, but as long as people are paying 100k+ for triple repeat LLL.coms, there will be people willing to pay $XXXX for equivalent LLLL.coms. What place do domain collectors have in the domaining world anyway?

I don't know who around here is trying to control the market... Premium is statistically better in the large majority of cases -- just like Google results or Wordtracker searches.

If you just looked at the letters in an LLLL.com, the number of Google results, and the number of Wordtracker searches, even a noob could get a pretty good idea of whether he was sitting on a $100 LLLL.com or a $1,000 LLLL.com.

Is it perfect? Of course not. Neither is the MCAT, LSAT, etc, but we use them anyway because they're the best way we have available at our disposal to quickly evaluate candidates relatively accurately.

It would be foolish to say every quad premium is worth more than every triple premium, however it would be quite accurate to say that on average quad premiums are worth more than triple premiums -- this has been proven time and time again. Not going to debate letters here, but the strongest premium letters -- A,S, and E, see sales results so far above average that it's statistically impossible that it could be solely due to chance.

An experienced domainer knows of many additional ways to evaluate a domain's value... It goes a lot beyond google results, wordtracker, and premium letters, but for the 90%+ of domainers out there that do this part-time and don't want to spend a year learning LLLL.com prices, this is about as simple, easy, and accurate as it gets.




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I must say i was just in the live auctions and someone is pushing a name as VVVV but it contains a Y in it. I find it funny since its not a vowel, also even funnier how poeple will do anything to make something more valuable. If for example it said Vowels are less valuable wouldnt this person use the Y as a consinant? answer yes. bringin me to my point, we all know the premium semi premium etc list put out, however I will totally dispute it here. Its not accurate at all in fact its somewhat a joke. Letters S,T,N,R,E are the best and most common letters in US words, period. SO to say that for example GHDB is as good as STNR is a joke. Also the letter U is very authoritive especially in the first position, yet its not premium. The whole double and triple lettering is also somewhat of a joke, how many words use the same first letter within a brand name or a short slogan not as frequent to warrant a higher value, but then again a fewer amount can actually contain this, would be the argument, id agree but how many would ever know or go there. I agree some guidlines are needed, but we all know theres a few around here attempting to control this market, thanks for listening now shoot me down!

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Old 05-22-2008, 08:06 PM   · #3
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I am going to have to kindly shoot you down on this I am guessing that you were talking about my domain UUIY.com in the live auction. Now, huge debates are going on about whether "Y" is a vowel or not through domainers. Some people say it is, and some people say it isn't. Now, I was just surfing the web a couple hours ago about this situation. I wouldn't want to mislead anyone as to what domain I am selling, and it's category it is classified under. And that's why I researched this to make sure I wouldn't be misleading anyone. So here, I found a link, from a trust 4 Letter.com guide that I use every once in a while, and so do many other domainers that explains this situation:

http://4ltr.org/index.php/Sales-Rep...-Consonant.html

If you have read that, you can see that Y is a vowel and a consonant. It is all depends on the positioning of the letter. So really, my domain, UUIY.com can be respectively considered a VVVV.com. Also, I know there was a thread somewhere on NamePros 2 or 3 days ago that I saw, that had a poll, that asked people whether Y was a vowel or not. The poll got a majority or Yes's. Now, a lot of people, posted in the thread "Maybe", which agrees to the article I posted above, which would also support my point. Thanks for reading
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:45 PM   · #4
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id disagree your Y in the last position is not a vowel by any stretch, in the middle i can see a case sisnce it can be pronounced as one mostly a sub for the letter i, and the point to it all is the fact and mentality to use anything and everything written to make it better then it is, that was the point, and since you brought your name up ill tell you this it starts with U and as I stated its a crap letter in the so called price guide, however in that first position its authoritive, that guide should be re written since it talks about letters then come out and say what we all know the letter T and S are not the same as G or H get real already. And for you reece no doubt on your expertise in this area, however some of what you state or claim is also to drive attention to the name game, and to create hype. A good example was a month ago you stating something about the LLLL .net boom well I dont see it, its climbing as alot of other things are, its not a boom its more like one of those snap pop things kids have,
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:23 PM   · #5
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Originally Posted by davepros
I must say i was just in the live auctions and someone is pushing a name as VVVV but it contains a Y in it. I find it funny since its not a vowel, also even funnier how poeple will do anything to make something more valuable. If for example it said Vowels are less valuable wouldnt this person use the Y as a consinant? answer yes. bringin me to my point, we all know the premium semi premium etc list put out, however I will totally dispute it here. Its not accurate at all in fact its somewhat a joke. Letters S,T,N,R,E are the best and most common letters in US words, period. SO to say that for example GHDB is as good as STNR is a joke. Also the letter U is very authoritive especially in the first position, yet its not premium. The whole double and triple lettering is also somewhat of a joke, how many words use the same first letter within a brand name or a short slogan not as frequent to warrant a higher value, but then again a fewer amount can actually contain this, would be the argument, id agree but how many would ever know or go there. I agree some guidlines are needed, but we all know theres a few around here attempting to control this market, thanks for listening now shoot me down!



I disagree regarding double and already explained it why:

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Another important fact is that when there are double letters , the value goes up, also because it could be a typo of the similar LLL.com

2 recent examples are:

mssp.com $2,015 (NameJet) could be typo of MSP.com


aomm.com 669 EUR ($1034) (Sedo) could be typo of AOM.com





Also, "premium" letters DO NOT EXIST:

http://www.italiandragon.com/2008/0...ters-or-big-bs/

I think we should call them :

MOST USED LETTERS or LESS USED LETTERS.

based on the actual market (which evolves with the evolving Internet Worldwide penetration)


Also, I wonder where you get that S,T,N,R,E are the most common letters because I see another story:

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=914452

And anyway, being most common letters does not mean that are the most used for ACRONYMS.

So again the story is different:

http://www.mcgees.org/fourletterdomains.html

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Letters S,T,N,R,E are the best and most common letters in US words, period. SO to say that for example GHDB is as good as STNR is a joke. Also the letter U is very authoritive especially in the first position, yet its not premium.

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Old 05-22-2008, 11:25 PM   · #6
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The way I see it more power to the 'y' as a vowel if it IS in the 4th spot eg Mary/Gary etc. But if the domain can't be pronounced (that is how a y is measured as a vowel IMHO) then I don't see it as a vowel.

More confusion...

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