I no not understand LLLL.net

bobdigital · 03-31-2008, 07:00 AM

LLLL.com get traffic and dot com is king, I have even entered the LLLL pool myself.
What I can not figure is the prices some LLLL.nets are going for .
there is one on tdnam for over $200
What am I missing?

VV · 03-31-2008, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by bobdigital

I no not understand

Nobody does.

Unless there's traffic, or it's a well known acronym.
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Domains with 4-random-average letters, in anything besides .Com... that's pushing it.

3 is a completely different story, of course.

Shenron · 03-31-2008, 07:20 AM

Unless...

Well, let me tell you that 90% of my parked traffic comes from .nets and I have more or less the same quantity of .nets and .coms (300 each)
Also, most people/companies, etc are not willing to spend $2k-$5k in a .com, so they go for a $200-$500 .net

Easy explanation, but I don't believe in odd arguments about this.

Ergo · 03-31-2008, 07:21 AM

beautiful LLLL.nets are easily sold to end-users. I own 800 LLLL.nets and 4 LLL.nets and so far I have sold zero LLL.nets and 4 LLLL.nets. Number of letters in domain names means nothing to end-user. Asking price means a lot. I can sell LLLL.net to end-user for 500$ because I can buy it at reseller market for 12$ (or even if for 50$) but if I purchased LLL.net for 1000$ on reseller market to get decent profit you will need to ask end-user 2000-3000$ and this amount of money is very rarely paid. And from recent reports not only my LLLL.nets are sold to end-users and sometimes they are sold for 1000-2000$. And it seems that there are much more LLLL.nets end-user sales than LLL.net sales
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You might be stubborn in not admitting that a lot of premium LLLL.nets are better than non-premium, crappy LLL.nets.

bobdigital · 03-31-2008, 07:25 AM

can you tell me one random llll.net that gets traffic?

I understand "love.net" or "abcd.net"
but a random VCVC.net for $200 , what?

Ergo · 03-31-2008, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Unless there's traffic, or a well known acronym, etc.

Todays nothing-meaning random LLLL.net will become a well known acronym tomorrow. I look only at letters quality. There must be only premium letters and I prefer letters C,S,A as much as possible in the name. I also regged names with A,C,S,P,M,D + one W,V combinations - they also produce a lot of good acronyms.
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About traffic. I have 800 LLLL.nets and perhaps just 10 of them will cover registration costs by traffic

But I'm not in for traffic domains because I understand they are expensive, long time to covered by traffic and sometimes UDRP-risky

Shenron · 03-31-2008, 07:31 AM

sfeg.net and rhns.net get nice traffic, but I get a lot more.

ICQU
PPVS
ICQO

None of the 3 is a quad premium...

tristanperry · 03-31-2008, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by bobdigital

LLLL.com get traffic and dot com is king, I have even entered the LLLL pool myself.
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What I can not figure is the prices some LLLL.nets are going for .
there is one on tdnam for over $200
What am I missing?

.net is the best substitute to .com

Now that LLLL.com is doing well, the best LLLL substitute is LLLL.net

VV · 03-31-2008, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by tristanperry

Now that LLLL.com is doing well, the best LLLL substitute is LLLL.net

But look around and ask yourself, how well is LLLL.com really doing?

Well enough to go out and start registering all the available random LLLL.net's?

Ergo · 03-31-2008, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by VV

Originally Posted by tristanperry

Now that LLLL.com is doing well, the best LLLL substitute is LLLL.net

But look around and ask yourself, how well is LLLL.com really doing?

Well enough to go out and start registering all the available random LLLL.net's?

I don't think it's wise to register all LLLL.nets unless crappy LLLL.coms will be doing well for at least one year with positive tendency. But it's wise to registered those LLLL.nets that are acronym-friendly. Not sure that there are many such LLLL.nets but I think that there are still about 50-100 LLLL.nets that are really perspective

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As to reseller market I think that fair price for a premium LLLL.net is about 50$ for today. It represents it's current real value.

buckshotdots · 03-31-2008, 08:34 AM

I can only talk from my experience so far as its a short one with LLLL.net's. Since I picked up my quad premiums I have had about 7 inquiries in the past couple months on these alone. Some get alright traffic and clicks but nothing to write home about.
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BUT the value goes hand in hand with its .com counterpart. People are wanting to register LLLL.com's but a lot are developed and if they happen to be available the price tag I am seeing is tends to be about $3500+. It pushes people to check out the .net and if you are not greedy (10%'ish) sales should occur pure and simple.

I believe you can't go wrong with premium .nets as they will hold value as long as the LLLL.com's are doing well.

g-o

Krossat · 03-31-2008, 08:36 AM

what do u think about CVCV.net's?

tristanperry · 03-31-2008, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by VV

But look around and ask yourself, how well is LLLL.com really doing?

Well enough to go out and start registering all the available random LLLL.net's?

LLLL.com are doing better than the domain market as a whole

Obviously registering completely random LLLL.nets is pointless, although there are many good quality ones left. Only 55% of them have been registered, so there are bargains left to be had IMHO.

bfluid · 03-31-2008, 09:00 AM

Its a law of nature. LLL.com get bought out... so does LLL.net, .org. .info.

LLLL.net, .org, and .info will be bought out too.

dag · 03-31-2008, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Krossat

what do u think about CVCV.net's?

I believe they're the best LLLL.nets you can get, as long as you don't spend a fortune on them...

rkbdomain · 03-31-2008, 09:18 AM

There are really two ways to look at it. Both the people that say "register LLLL.net's now" and "wait until the countdown is close to being finished" make sense, it is just different strategies. If you register now, you can get higher quality LLLL.net's, the last ones to go will be the crappiest, as they are in any buyout. But, if you buy now, you are going to have to pay reg fees for several years before all the rest are bought out, so that is a tradeoff you have to make. If you look at people who bought LLLL.com's several years before the countdown was complete and bought tons of premiums, they made $x,xxx,xxx. But it took a long time. They people who buy at the very end are going to get the worst domains, which may be a risky or profitable investment itself (just look at fluctuation of LLLL.com prices this year). It is just a different strategy.

dag · 03-31-2008, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by bfluid

LLLL.net, .org, and .info will be bought out too.

I don't know what the remaining stats are on .org or .info, but I think it's going to be a lonnnng time before those get bought out. LLLL.net will be bought out in the next couple of years, though.

Krossat · 03-31-2008, 09:20 AM

how much do u think should be the max price range for a CVCV.net an da premium CVCV.net?

Originally Posted by dag

I believe they're the best LLLL.nets you can get, as long as you don't spend a fortune on them...

Shenron · 03-31-2008, 09:22 AM

$x,xxx,xxx ?

Oh nice... I guess I can wait 10 years for a million bucks then.

I really have to agree with Andrei here, $50 is a fair price for quad premiums, and I'd be glad to unload 70% of my portfolio at that price as they are bought out and 90% of the drops are getting caught in minutes.

rkbdomain · 03-31-2008, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Shenron

$x,xxx,xxx ?
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Oh nice... I guess I can wait 10 years for a million bucks then.

I really have to agree with Andrei here, $50 is a fair price for quad premiums, and I'd be glad to unload 70% of my portfolio at that price as they are bought out and 90% of the drops are getting caught in minutes.

Yeah, I'm talking about a few people that bought lots and lots of premium LLLL.com's, like Adam Dicker. Not saying people that buy a couple LLLL.net's are going to be millionaires

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bfluid · 03-31-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by rkbdomain

There are really two ways to look at it. Both the people that say "register LLLL.net's now" and "wait until the countdown is close to being finished" make sense, it is just different strategies. If you register now, you can get higher quality LLLL.net's, the last ones to go will be the crappiest, as they are in any buyout. But, if you buy now, you are going to have to pay reg fees for several years before all the rest are bought out, so that is a tradeoff you have to make. If you look at people who bought LLLL.com's several years before the countdown was complete and bought tons of premiums, they made $x,xxx,xxx. But it took a long time. They people who buy at the very end are going to get the worst domains, which may be a risky or profitable investment itself (just look at fluctuation of LLLL.com prices this year). It is just a different strategy.

Took a long time?
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It took them less than 3 years. Quick and high ROI if you ask me.

Shenron · 03-31-2008, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by rkbdomain

Yeah, I'm talking about a few people that bought lots and lots of premium LLLL.com's, like Adam Dicker. Not saying people that buy a couple LLLL.net's are going to be millionaires

.

Yes i know and understand that.

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Still, imho quad premiums at under $15 are a great investment, 'cause I expect those to meet the $50 level after summer.

Quality VCVC should hit 3 digits and CVCV double 3 digits (reseller price), not to talk about collectibles, but that is my expectation, so please, don't start investing $xx,xxx if you can't wait a year or 2 and pay reg fees...

Do your maths today!!!

dag · 03-31-2008, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Krossat

how much do u think should be the max price range for a CVCV.net an da premium CVCV.net?

Hard to say...I sold ZUTU.net for $200 recently, and I think that was a very good deal for the buyer. My XAMU.net is currently at 70 euros at Sedo with 1 day left. I would say anything in the mid $XXX range would be reasonable to hope for.

tristanperry · 03-31-2008, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by dag

Hard to say...I sold ZUTU.net for $200 recently, and I think that was a very good deal for the buyer. My XAMU.net is currently at 70 euros at Sedo with 1 day left. I would say anything in the mid $XXX range would be reasonable to hope for.

I'm now really gutted that I sold Cawu.net for around $15 about 7-8 months ago. Heh, I didn't even realise there was an emerging LLLL.net market at the time.

krx · 03-31-2008, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Krossat

how much do u think should be the max price range for a CVCV.net an da premium CVCV.net?

Some recent (last month or two) sales of CVCV.nets:

TATI.NET AfternicDLS 2750
ROLE.NET Sedo 2500
LUDO.NET 2400
LORI.NET Snapnames 1462
SAGI.NET SEDO 1100
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GEBO.NET Afternic 1056
NIMA.NET SEDO 900
VODO.NET SEDO 850
RIXA.NET 834
TOKE.NET TDNAM 782
LINA.NET SEDO 510
KIMI.NET SEDO 494
RATA.NET Snapnames 488
KINI.NET Snapnames 329
soli.net Pool 310
ZUTU.NET SEDO 200
CUME.NET TDNAM 181
BAZU.NET TDNAM 159
CULU.NET 129
POBE.NET TDNAM 122
KEPO.NET NameJet 117
TEWI.NET SEDO 110
JUSO.NET NameJet 110
PEHO.NET eBay 100
POBO.NET Snapnames 95
TEGI.NET NJ 92
HAXA.NET NameJet 82
VUJU.NET TDNAM 80
MEGE.NET NameJet 72
XAMA.NET NameJet 70
GITO.NET Snapnames 70
DIKI.NET TDNAM 65
WOWU.NET TDNAM 65
CUGU.NET TDNAM 64
GIXO.NET 60
JASO.NET Pool 60
QILA.NET Snapnames 59
ZUTI.NET 59
BEXO.NET TDNAM 51
DAQA.NET 49
XAMU.NET 49
MIQO.NET 45
WULU.NET Snapnames 43
OGAP.NET DP 40
QARI.NET TDNAM 40
TODU.NET DNF 38
GOVU.NET DNF 37
YOPU.NET NP 35
QOZI.NET 25

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bobdigital NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 909	I no not understand LLLL.net LLLL.com get traffic and dot com is king, I have even entered the LLLL pool myself. What I can not figure is the prices some LLLL.nets are going for . there is one on tdnam for over $200 What am I missing? __________________ Top 3 lines of this signature ------------------> for sale --------------------------------------> Just PM me ---------------------------------> You don't have to be black to ChatBlack.com

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Shenron Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,427	Unless... Well, let me tell you that 90% of my parked traffic comes from .nets and I have more or less the same quantity of .nets and .coms (300 each) Also, most people/companies, etc are not willing to spend $2k-$5k in a .com, so they go for a $200-$500 .net Easy explanation, but I don't believe in odd arguments about this. __________________ London Hotels ********************** Coconut Oil Car Tuning Gisele Bundchen Free Screensavers

03-31-2008, 07:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ergo NameDato.com Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Jackson's Whole Posts: 3,311	beautiful LLLL.nets are easily sold to end-users. I own 800 LLLL.nets and 4 LLL.nets and so far I have sold zero LLL.nets and 4 LLLL.nets. Number of letters in domain names means nothing to end-user. Asking price means a lot. I can sell LLLL.net to end-user for 500$ because I can buy it at reseller market for 12$ (or even if for 50$) but if I purchased LLL.net for 1000$ on reseller market to get decent profit you will need to ask end-user 2000-3000$ and this amount of money is very rarely paid. And from recent reports not only my LLLL.nets are sold to end-users and sometimes they are sold for 1000-2000$. And it seems that there are much more LLLL.nets end-user sales than LLL.net sales ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451561 You might be stubborn in not admitting that a lot of premium LLLL.nets are better than non-premium, crappy LLL.nets. __________________ calling cards \| japanese used cars exporters \| japanese used cars

03-31-2008, 07:25 AM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
bobdigital NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 909	can you tell me one random llll.net that gets traffic? I understand "love.net" or "abcd.net" but a random VCVC.net for $200 , what? __________________ Top 3 lines of this signature ------------------> for sale --------------------------------------> Just PM me ---------------------------------> You don't have to be black to ChatBlack.com

03-31-2008, 07:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
Shenron Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,427	sfeg.net and rhns.net get nice traffic, but I get a lot more. ICQU PPVS ICQO None of the 3 is a quad premium... __________________ London Hotels ********************** Coconut Oil Car Tuning Gisele Bundchen Free Screensavers

03-31-2008, 08:34 AM	#11 (permalink)
buckshotdots Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,707	I can only talk from my experience so far as its a short one with LLLL.net's. Since I picked up my quad premiums I have had about 7 inquiries in the past couple months on these alone. Some get alright traffic and clicks but nothing to write home about. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451561 BUT the value goes hand in hand with its .com counterpart. People are wanting to register LLLL.com's but a lot are developed and if they happen to be available the price tag I am seeing is tends to be about $3500+. It pushes people to check out the .net and if you are not greedy (10%'ish) sales should occur pure and simple. I believe you can't go wrong with premium .nets as they will hold value as long as the LLLL.com's are doing well. g-o

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bfluid Mr. LLLL Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: GA, USA Posts: 1,475	Its a law of nature. LLL.com get bought out... so does LLL.net, .org. .info. LLLL.net, .org, and .info will be bought out too. __________________ Have Questions Concerning Domaining? I'm Here to Help! :)

03-31-2008, 09:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
rkbdomain NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 550 Follow @rkbdomain	There are really two ways to look at it. Both the people that say "register LLLL.net's now" and "wait until the countdown is close to being finished" make sense, it is just different strategies. If you register now, you can get higher quality LLLL.net's, the last ones to go will be the crappiest, as they are in any buyout. But, if you buy now, you are going to have to pay reg fees for several years before all the rest are bought out, so that is a tradeoff you have to make. If you look at people who bought LLLL.com's several years before the countdown was complete and bought tons of premiums, they made $x,xxx,xxx. But it took a long time. They people who buy at the very end are going to get the worst domains, which may be a risky or profitable investment itself (just look at fluctuation of LLLL.com prices this year). It is just a different strategy. __________________ www.NNNNNdomains.com The source for Numeric Domains: market analysis, registration trends, and auction results.

03-31-2008, 09:22 AM	#19 (permalink)
Shenron Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,427	$x,xxx,xxx ? Oh nice... I guess I can wait 10 years for a million bucks then. I really have to agree with Andrei here, $50 is a fair price for quad premiums, and I'd be glad to unload 70% of my portfolio at that price as they are bought out and 90% of the drops are getting caught in minutes. __________________ London Hotels ********************** Coconut Oil Car Tuning Gisele Bundchen Free Screensavers

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