Which LLLL.com Camp do you fall into?

-REECE- · 12-20-2007, 05:22 AM

From what I've seen, there are 5 rather common LLLL.com camps here:

1. There are those who believe all LLLL.coms are worthless.

2. Those who believe that people who bought in pre-buyout got a good deal but are uncertain about what the future holds for people paying multiples of that original regfee for LLLL.coms.

3. Those who believe that only premium LLLL.coms and perhaps triple premium LLLL.coms will ever be worth much more than prices today (renewal fees must be taken into account here).

4. Those who believe all LLLL.coms will eventually appreciate in value (taking into consideration all renewal fees paid).

5. Those who believe LLLL.coms will follow the path of LLL.coms and that soon every LLLL.com will trade for $XXX+.

Number 1 isn't really an opinion -- it's an outright lie to oneself (or clearly the sign of a very inexperienced domainer). If one thinks that all LLLL.coms -- premiums, VCVCs, and CVCVs included are worthless, I don't have much to say to you... Other than to perhaps find another hobby

I can agree with all other views here and when represented with facts or reasons, all can reveal a certain "truth".
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/409086-llll-com-camp-do-you-fall.html

Those in Camp 2 are aware of aftermarket LLLL.com prices. They see that prices are always in excess of registration costs and acknowledge that those who bought in pre-buyout made a good decision. They're not necessarily certain what the future holds and are divided on this issue -- some suggest selling enough to cover your initial investment, some suggest selling names each year to fund next year's renewals, and some aren't quite too sure what's best to do and are perhaps waiting until a later date before selling their names or making their opinion on this matter known.

A person in Camp number 3 recognizes the success pre-buyout domainers achieved. Nevertheless, they're not confident about the long term outlook of names containing several bad letters and are skeptical about whether values can increase at a rate faster than annual registration fees will eat up. Such a person could point out that premium LLLL.coms (esp. CVCVs) have a long history of appreciation and that this is unlikely to change... Perhaps they feel that as LLL.coms continue to appreciate, premium LLLL.coms may eventually become the choice of small and medium sized companies... If they look at LLLL.coms this way and see their value as being tied to enduser potential, it's hard to discount this opinion... There are clearly far more endusers for your average quad premium than your average anti-premium. That's a given and this LLLL.com camp, while perhaps playing it a bit conservatively, certainly have a firm grounding in reality.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=409086

A person in Camp 4 (I consider myself in this group) looks at LLLL.coms as a long term investment. They believe that various factors (increasing number of domainers, decreasing quality of new registrations, increased demand for short domain names, increased prices on LLL.coms caused by corporate investors,...) will eventually contribute to higher LLLL.com prices. They're not confident enough to say with certainty that LLLL.coms will hit a certain price at a given point in time, however they're fairly confident that given a long term (2-5 year) outlook, prices will be sufficiently higher than they are today for not only renewal fees to be compensated for, but also lost opportunity costs.

A person in Camp 5 usually believes that all LLLL.coms are currently underpriced substantially and that the market will eventually (some here would even say soon) awake a sleeping giant. They use as evidence continuously increasing demand for LLLL.coms, the fact that all drops are picked up almost instantaneously, the fact that LLLL.coms are already selling for 100-500% ROI over prices even a few months ago,... Much of their reasoning is based on events which have already occurred. The big difference here from a Camp 4 domainer, is that the Camp 4 domainer believes it may take several years (possibly 5 or even more) before the worst LLLL.coms hit $XXX (however he believes they will be a profitable investment, regardless of how long they take to get there), whereas a Camp 5 domainer believes that LLLL.coms will all hit $XXX+ within 2 years or less -- many believe it will happen in 1 year or less. While a Camp 4 domainer regards rapid appreciation as a possibility (granted the various factors they have analyzed could indeed rapidly increase in their favor), they're more than willing to wait for it to happen.

Your thoughts? Did I miss an LLLL.com Camp here?

***EG.domains*** · 12-20-2007, 05:33 AM

Voted #4

I would vote #5 if you removed "soon" from the sentence and added "slowly"

Quote:

5. Those who believe LLLL.coms will slowly follow the path of LLL.coms and that soon every LLLL.com will trade for $XXX+.

jacal1 · 12-20-2007, 05:33 AM

Between 3 and 4...not sure the last 10-15K registered will appreciate ahead of reg fees; Sure that any with no non-premium letters will by a longshot.

italiandragon · 12-20-2007, 05:42 AM

I`m a 5 sorry.

Yes, you missed CAMP 6: the people I emailed offering them $300 for a CVCV.com and they asked me 50,000 EUROS

Companies that play domaining ? Go define them.....greedy CEOs !!!

Michael · 12-20-2007, 05:56 AM

I guess I'm all alone in Camp 3 for now.

-REECE- · 12-20-2007, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by idevlabs

I guess I'm all alone in Camp 3 for now.

No worries, I'm sure you'll have plenty of company later today

DotCN · 12-20-2007, 06:03 AM

camp 5#

gazzip · 12-20-2007, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by idevlabs

I guess I'm all alone in Camp 3 for now.

Not any more - Camp 3 for me

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ssamriga · 12-20-2007, 06:26 AM

yeah, I am camp 3 too.

Actually, Reece, there really is no use of the camp 1 as you have described it, I don't believe there are people who would deny that VCVCs selling for 2k+ are worthless, even not jackal

Maybe you should change the first one as to "LLLLs which are not words or VCVC, or CVCV", that would at least let jackal and other sceptics vote somewhere

Otherwise there is virtually no choice, because all other camps suggest liking of random LLLLs.

D-K · 12-20-2007, 06:33 AM

Camp 3

Skinny · 12-20-2007, 06:35 AM

I'm camp 3.

It's really the premium LLLL.coms that will rise. They are pronouncable and memorable which is what someone wants in a short domain and I see their value increasing well before other lower end 4 Letter .coms.

I think from a business standpoint would I register fzye.com or modis.com (assuming both were available). I'd probably go the extra letter.

I think all LLLL.coms will appreciate but the premium ones definitely have an edge and will gain the most value.

Skinny

**-Nick-** · 12-20-2007, 06:46 AM

I will go with # 5 In fact I am just GOD http://www.namepros.com/2404590-post52.html

I am 27 right now and I think I can wait for 23 years more

jacal1 · 12-20-2007, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by ssamriga

yeah, I am camp 3 too.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=409086

Actually, Reece, there really is no use of the camp 1 as you have described it, I don't believe there are people who would deny that VCVCs selling for 2k+ are worthless, even not jackal

Maybe you should change the first one as to "LLLLs which are not words or VCVC, or CVCV", that would at least let jackal and other sceptics vote somewhere

Otherwise there is virtually no choice, because all other camps suggest liking of random LLLLs.

Strange post....look above and see. I'm half in your camp AND HALF LESS SKEPTICAL than you. Or is there someone else called "jackal"

xman · 12-20-2007, 07:04 AM

I was actually debating between 4 and 5 but I have to be more conservative so I'll be in #4

-REECE- · 12-20-2007, 07:06 AM

Most of the "skeptics" are pretty reasonable when it comes to LLLL's. Only a select few (at least over here at Namepros) would go as far as say something like "CVCV pricing is a sham" (although I do agree in limited instances when the CVCV is unpronounceable and derives it's value from character-vowel placement, rather than enduser potential), premium LLLL's being a noob domainer's LLL.com, ...

For the most part, the divide so far here and in other threads I've read has been between premium and non-premium LLLL.coms, although a few have openly voiced their views on "worthless" premium LLLL.coms (I'm assuming this to mean only quads here) as well.

TomB · 12-20-2007, 07:16 AM

I'm pretty much like xman, somewhere between 4 and 5. I picked 4...but if 5 happens I wouldn't be that surprised. I'd sure be happy though.

Ross · 12-20-2007, 07:23 AM

Camp 2

I think this because who ever holds them obviously can make some money off of them. I could even go buy one for $15 and turn around and sell it for $40. So at this point in time its a good deal, but idk if they will hold their value as far as years to come. The way i see it is invest big and get out early. This way you know for sure you make a profit and are able to invest in something more stable like a LLL.com or a good 1 word generic. But who knows they could be huge 2 years from now. Good luck to anyone that bought in.

gazzip · 12-20-2007, 07:37 AM

Sahar's got a very nice one on his homepage header today - Bido.com ..not sure whats planned for it though, anyone know ?

Names like that and Jime.com will be HUGE one day with so many other companies/products coming on line.

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jido · 12-20-2007, 07:49 AM

Voted #4

Nsane Domain · 12-20-2007, 07:53 AM

Rock Steady #4 !

Alex · 12-20-2007, 08:06 AM

I am in camp 4.

I think all LLLL.com's will appreciate in value, but I think that premium ones will appreciate on a higher level than non premium ones.

bricio · 12-20-2007, 08:23 AM

#4 or #5
eg.domains was perfect in the explanation... i second him

i will go with #4

npcomplete · 12-20-2007, 08:37 AM

I voted for #3. A real gutsy move. Kind of like saying you are an independent when it comes to political parties. (OTOH, in politics I don't like *anybody* in any of the parties).

Marc

DNK.it · 12-20-2007, 09:05 AM

Camp 5

DotUSDomains · 12-20-2007, 09:23 AM

Probably #2 i did pay $50 for TMYD.COM

I cant say there a wast of money as thats just not true

With people like yourself Reece i do hope they shoot up in value very quickly for you, No point me saying otherwise as it doesn't affect me much if any.

Thats for now, who knows what might happen

View Poll Results: Which LLLL.com Camp do you fall into?
Camp 1	5	5.95%
Camp 2	8	9.52%
Camp 3	15	17.86%
Camp 4	24	28.57%
Camp 5	28	33.33%
None of them accurately describe my LLLL.com beliefs	4	4.76%
Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

12-20-2007, 05:22 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,984	Which LLLL.com Camp do you fall into? From what I've seen, there are 5 rather common LLLL.com camps here: 1. There are those who believe all LLLL.coms are worthless. 2. Those who believe that people who bought in pre-buyout got a good deal but are uncertain about what the future holds for people paying multiples of that original regfee for LLLL.coms. 3. Those who believe that only premium LLLL.coms and perhaps triple premium LLLL.coms will ever be worth much more than prices today (renewal fees must be taken into account here). 4. Those who believe all LLLL.coms will eventually appreciate in value (taking into consideration all renewal fees paid). 5. Those who believe LLLL.coms will follow the path of LLL.coms and that soon every LLLL.com will trade for $XXX+. Number 1 isn't really an opinion -- it's an outright lie to oneself (or clearly the sign of a very inexperienced domainer). If one thinks that all LLLL.coms -- premiums, VCVCs, and CVCVs included are worthless, I don't have much to say to you... Other than to perhaps find another hobby I can agree with all other views here and when represented with facts or reasons, all can reveal a certain "truth". ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/409086-llll-com-camp-do-you-fall.html Those in Camp 2 are aware of aftermarket LLLL.com prices. They see that prices are always in excess of registration costs and acknowledge that those who bought in pre-buyout made a good decision. They're not necessarily certain what the future holds and are divided on this issue -- some suggest selling enough to cover your initial investment, some suggest selling names each year to fund next year's renewals, and some aren't quite too sure what's best to do and are perhaps waiting until a later date before selling their names or making their opinion on this matter known. A person in Camp number 3 recognizes the success pre-buyout domainers achieved. Nevertheless, they're not confident about the long term outlook of names containing several bad letters and are skeptical about whether values can increase at a rate faster than annual registration fees will eat up. Such a person could point out that premium LLLL.coms (esp. CVCVs) have a long history of appreciation and that this is unlikely to change... Perhaps they feel that as LLL.coms continue to appreciate, premium LLLL.coms may eventually become the choice of small and medium sized companies... If they look at LLLL.coms this way and see their value as being tied to enduser potential, it's hard to discount this opinion... There are clearly far more endusers for your average quad premium than your average anti-premium. That's a given and this LLLL.com camp, while perhaps playing it a bit conservatively, certainly have a firm grounding in reality. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=409086 A person in Camp 4 (I consider myself in this group) looks at LLLL.coms as a long term investment. They believe that various factors (increasing number of domainers, decreasing quality of new registrations, increased demand for short domain names, increased prices on LLL.coms caused by corporate investors,...) will eventually contribute to higher LLLL.com prices. They're not confident enough to say with certainty that LLLL.coms will hit a certain price at a given point in time, however they're fairly confident that given a long term (2-5 year) outlook, prices will be sufficiently higher than they are today for not only renewal fees to be compensated for, but also lost opportunity costs. A person in Camp 5 usually believes that all LLLL.coms are currently underpriced substantially and that the market will eventually (some here would even say soon) awake a sleeping giant. They use as evidence continuously increasing demand for LLLL.coms, the fact that all drops are picked up almost instantaneously, the fact that LLLL.coms are already selling for 100-500% ROI over prices even a few months ago,... Much of their reasoning is based on events which have already occurred. The big difference here from a Camp 4 domainer, is that the Camp 4 domainer believes it may take several years (possibly 5 or even more) before the worst LLLL.coms hit $XXX (however he believes they will be a profitable investment, regardless of how long they take to get there), whereas a Camp 5 domainer believes that LLLL.coms will all hit $XXX+ within 2 years or less -- many believe it will happen in 1 year or less. While a Camp 4 domainer regards rapid appreciation as a possibility (granted the various factors they have analyzed could indeed rapidly increase in their favor), they're more than willing to wait for it to happen. Your thoughts? Did I miss an LLLL.com Camp here? Last edited by Reece; 12-20-2007 at 05:38 AM. Reason: typos

12-20-2007, 05:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
jacal1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,838	Between 3 and 4...not sure the last 10-15K registered will appreciate ahead of reg fees; Sure that any with no non-premium letters will by a longshot. __________________ Vieste, Italy - Bioidentical Hormone Replacement -10 year mortgage rates - Wireless Charging Pads - Laser Peels - Butt Lifts Last edited by jacal1; 12-20-2007 at 06:58 AM.

12-20-2007, 05:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 6,390	I`m a 5 sorry. Yes, you missed CAMP 6: the people I emailed offering them $300 for a CVCV.com and they asked me 50,000 EUROS Companies that play domaining ? Go define them.....greedy CEOs !!! __________________ www.MMCP.com www.decretoingiuntivo.net www.ipotecalegale.info www.swishersweetslittlecigars.com

12-20-2007, 05:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
Michael DNMedia.com Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,842	I guess I'm all alone in Camp 3 for now. __________________ MiniSites.com - Shift Your Domains Out of Park! DN Media Corporation \| Friend Me on Facebook \| Follow Me on Twitter

12-20-2007, 06:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
DotCN NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 318	camp 5# __________________ 230 NNNNN.COMs. Over 1,000 LLLL.COMs. Over 20,000 LLLL.CNs. Over 30,000 LLLL.COM.CNs.

12-20-2007, 06:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
ssamriga Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: EU Posts: 1,846	yeah, I am camp 3 too. Actually, Reece, there really is no use of the camp 1 as you have described it, I don't believe there are people who would deny that VCVCs selling for 2k+ are worthless, even not jackal Maybe you should change the first one as to "LLLLs which are not words or VCVC, or CVCV", that would at least let jackal and other sceptics vote somewhere Otherwise there is virtually no choice, because all other camps suggest liking of random LLLLs. __________________ SnowyRange.com 16 years old PR3 GEO name with traffic My domains for sale: DNFit.com - Domain Names that Fit Your Business

12-20-2007, 06:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
D-K Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver: cloudfield.com Posts: 1,228	Camp 3 __________________ cloudfield.com for sale

12-20-2007, 06:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
Skinny Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,255	I'm camp 3. It's really the premium LLLL.coms that will rise. They are pronouncable and memorable which is what someone wants in a short domain and I see their value increasing well before other lower end 4 Letter .coms. I think from a business standpoint would I register fzye.com or modis.com (assuming both were available). I'd probably go the extra letter. I think all LLLL.coms will appreciate but the premium ones definitely have an edge and will gain the most value. Skinny

12-20-2007, 06:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
-Nick- I'll do it Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 6,939 Follow @keralpatel	I will go with # 5 In fact I am just GOD http://www.namepros.com/2404590-post52.html I am 27 right now and I think I can wait for 23 years more __________________ Delq\|Fhur\|Kegh\|Vhir\|Juhy\|Ruuz\|Jyos\|Jupt\|Vhek Webmaster Blog \| Software Downloads Makeup & Beauty Tips \| Sponsor Ads

12-20-2007, 07:04 AM	#14 (permalink)
xman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: X-I Posts: 2,873	I was actually debating between 4 and 5 but I have to be more conservative so I'll be in #4 __________________ Ex.am ~ Exa.ms ~ Sc.am Last edited by xman; 12-20-2007 at 07:17 AM.

12-20-2007, 07:06 AM	THREAD STARTER #15 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,984	Most of the "skeptics" are pretty reasonable when it comes to LLLL's. Only a select few (at least over here at Namepros) would go as far as say something like "CVCV pricing is a sham" (although I do agree in limited instances when the CVCV is unpronounceable and derives it's value from character-vowel placement, rather than enduser potential), premium LLLL's being a noob domainer's LLL.com, ... For the most part, the divide so far here and in other threads I've read has been between premium and non-premium LLLL.coms, although a few have openly voiced their views on "worthless" premium LLLL.coms (I'm assuming this to mean only quads here) as well.

12-20-2007, 07:16 AM	#16 (permalink)
TomB NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St. Louis Posts: 271	I'm pretty much like xman, somewhere between 4 and 5. I picked 4...but if 5 happens I wouldn't be that surprised. I'd sure be happy though.

12-20-2007, 07:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ross Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,125	Camp 2 I think this because who ever holds them obviously can make some money off of them. I could even go buy one for $15 and turn around and sell it for $40. So at this point in time its a good deal, but idk if they will hold their value as far as years to come. The way i see it is invest big and get out early. This way you know for sure you make a profit and are able to invest in something more stable like a LLL.com or a good 1 word generic. But who knows they could be huge 2 years from now. Good luck to anyone that bought in.

12-20-2007, 07:37 AM	#18 (permalink)
gazzip First Time Poster ! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: GB Posts: 6,877	Sahar's got a very nice one on his homepage header today - Bido.com ..not sure whats planned for it though, anyone know ? Names like that and Jime.com will be HUGE one day with so many other companies/products coming on line. .

12-20-2007, 07:49 AM	#19 (permalink)
jido Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,153	Voted #4 __________________ ______________________________________ Help with crosswords http://lettercombination.com Pitfalls of Java http://javasyntax.com _______________ f o r . s a l e ______________

12-20-2007, 09:05 AM	#24 (permalink)
DNK.it Domain Name Key Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ITALY Posts: 1,171	Camp 5 __________________ Full developed site: MonteCarlo.me for sale!

12-20-2007, 07:53 AM	#20 (permalink)
Nsane Domain NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nebraska-USA Posts: 504	Rock Steady #4 !

12-20-2007, 08:06 AM	#21 (permalink)
Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,121	I am in camp 4. I think all LLLL.com's will appreciate in value, but I think that premium ones will appreciate on a higher level than non premium ones. __________________ Castles Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

12-20-2007, 08:23 AM	#22 (permalink)
bricio Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 2,526	#4 or #5 eg.domains was perfect in the explanation... i second him i will go with #4 __________________ Why .mobi?

12-20-2007, 08:37 AM	#23 (permalink)
npcomplete NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 976	I voted for #3. A real gutsy move. Kind of like saying you are an independent when it comes to political parties. (OTOH, in politics I don't like anybody in any of the parties). Marc __________________ . (Just another mathematician obsessed with proving P != NP -- that is a math joke for job security) Smile! In a few short years you will realize that these are the good old days!

12-20-2007, 09:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
DotUSDomains Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: www.move.us Posts: 3,046	Probably #2 i did pay $50 for TMYD.COM I cant say there a wast of money as thats just not true With people like yourself Reece i do hope they shoot up in value very quickly for you, No point me saying otherwise as it doesn't affect me much if any. Thats for now, who knows what might happen __________________ Visit www.about.us for dot us news!

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