LLLL.com : how to turn 50,000 in 1,000,000 (in less than 2 years)

italiandragon · 11-11-2007, 07:53 PM

It`s not a commercial , it`s not a dream.

It`s what Adam Dicker has done by buying 4000 LLLL.com in early 2006.

Total reg. fees : $25,000 in 2006

Total renewal fees : $25,000 in 2007

And now, he has a portfolio of about 4000 LLLL.com with quality letters that can`t be found for less than $150 - $200 , sometimes not even for more.
Not to mention that he received some offers for some names in the 4 figures range (that`s what he told me in the past, I don`t know news since May and I don`t know if he sold any) and also the parking revenue that on 4000 LLLL.com may produce some good results since at that time there were pretty nice names with some Overture results too.

In 2006, when he wrote about his 4,000 regs , someone replied him saying "I`ll be waiting the drops next year" but he made clear he does not drop names.

He saw a great opportunity when there were still about 85,000 LLLL.com left.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/394791-llll-com-how-turn-50-000-a.html

1 year and half later , the LLLL.com has been totally sold out.

Yet , some people doubt that RANDOM , NON-PRONUNCIABLE LLLL.com are a good investment.

I wish these people to address me to better investments than turning $50,000 in $1,000,000+ in less than 2 years.

In the mean time , I am kicking myself to have not noticed this great opportunity earlier than when I did , but I did not want to kick myself for missing it at all.
The price of the ugliest LLLL.com are rising day by day in all aftermarkets.
In another 2 years , I wonder how many people will write:

"oh....I wish I did..."
"If only I could turn back in time..."
"I can`t believe I was there but I did not buy any LLLL.com..."

Thank you

Mike · 11-11-2007, 07:58 PM

I agree with you. LLLL.com domains offer themselves for great investment.
Just like you, i'm kicking myself for not realizing the opportunity earlier and only managed to snag a very low number of LLLL.com domains.
I'm going to hold on to them, and wait for their value to increase even further. I just got an offer for one of them but even though i rejected the offer, the number was still more than 6x the initial investment.
My opinion is logically, if you can find any or pick them up from a drop, buy it,...other than that, it's a definitive hold-wait situation.

IB

wot · 11-11-2007, 08:04 PM

Adam has also bought an awful lot of IDN , high hundreds if not thousands, I believe.

But your million in 2 years is only perceived not actual, there are stats and stats.

italiandragon · 11-11-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by wot

Adam has also bought an awful lot of IDN , high hundreds if not thousands, I believe.

But your million in 2 years is only perceived not actual, there are stats and stats.

Hi, well he did not put all his eggs in one basket so we can`t say that it`s wrong. Obviously he has financial resources that allows him to buy such large numbers of domains.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=394791

And yes, he did not cash in his portfolio but that`s what`s worth it now.

wot · 11-11-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

And yes, he did not cash in his portfolio but that`s what`s worth it now.

That is not correct, it is a perceived value if he was able to sell them all at the current going rate- and that never happens.

My portfolio- I consider would be very valuable if all my names sold at the prices I perceive they should , currently it is worth the amounts I get from advertisng incomes, regular sales etc less the cost of renewals.
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I am not disputing Adams strategy which I think is good - just what you consider be a value based on - if. There is only a "real value" post sale.

Web Master · 11-11-2007, 09:13 PM

LLLL.com does have potentials.

Really sorry for overlooking some good LLLL.Coms years ago.

Good LLLL.Coms do have attractions to business parties in the market.

italiandragon · 11-11-2007, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by wot

That is not correct, it is a perceived value if he was able to sell them all at the current going rate- and that never happens.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=394791

My portfolio- I consider would be very valuable if all my names sold at the prices I perceive they should , currently it is worth the amounts I get from advertisng incomes, regular sales etc less the cost of renewals.

I am not disputing Adams strategy which I think is good - just what you consider be a value based on - if. There is only a "real value" post sale.

I agree , ok.....let`s say "virtually in $1,000,000"

But I`m sure that an expert domainer would manage to sell them pretty well , also there are buyers willing to take intere portfolios when the names are good.

wot · 11-11-2007, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

I agree , ok.....let`s say "virtually in $1,000,000"
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But I`m sure that an expert domainer would manage to sell them pretty well , also there are buyers willing to take intere portfolios when the names are good.

VURG · 11-11-2007, 11:12 PM

Not sure about your maths. I bought around 100 LLLL.com around the same period. That would put my collection to be worth $25K. I'd be very happy to entertain offers off people who think that my LLLL.com collection is that good.

italiandragon · 11-11-2007, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by VURG

Not sure about your maths. I bought around 100 LLLL.com around the same period. That would put my collection to be worth $25K. I'd be very happy to entertain offers off people who think that my LLLL.com collection is that good.

Nice! So why don`t you show your 100 LLLL.com ?
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They must be pretty nice

VURG · 11-11-2007, 11:32 PM

Not interested in putting my names under public scrutiny today.

Maybe Adam was a lot better at picking names than me. I've seen enough similar appraisals to know that my collection is not that good.

accent · 11-11-2007, 11:59 PM

I also bought LLLL's when there were around 85,000 left. At that time there were no all-premiums and no CVCV left. I got one VCVC, probablty a drop - it was a lot better than what was mostly available - at best you could get three premiums and a K,W,J, or U. With some looking you could get names with two of the premiums being A,B,C,D,E,M,N,P,S or T. I got one of the very last all-premiums in mid 05 - it had an H and a F, the two worst premium letters.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=394791

Sadly I had neither the funds nor the courage/knowledge to buy a lot of them. $200 each seems high for a reseller value. Estibot values some of them at nice levels - but you won't convince resellers of that. I would guess you could get $75 for two high premium letters, one low premium and a W or K, but first you would have to find someone who would notice that feature above all the noise of Z, X, and Q's of the quick flippers.

I was not hip to drops then, I am sure there was some really nice stuff that you could get that way ---- and spend a lot of time doing it.

sashas · 11-12-2007, 01:07 AM

Lorenzo, there is one thing you're forgetting: Adam Dicker can afford to spend 50k each year in renewal fees. He does not care if he spends 25,000 bucks regging names that might/might not pay off (today it looks like they will pay off, 2 years earlier, no one was sure). He has loads, 25k is obviously not a huge issue for him.

Unfortunately, for most other domainers like you and I, 25k is quite big a number. If I were to somehow invest 25k in LLLL.coms 2 years back, I would've been broke today, not to mention, kicking myself for not having the funds when some great deal had presented itself. I'm still angry at losing a great deal on a name just because I didn't have enough liquid funds at that time, and the owner sold it to someone else.

For Adam, liquidation is not that big of an issue. He as countless other revenue streams. For us, however, liquidation is a big issue. I need to have a regular amount of money coming into my bank account each month, not to mention the ability to buy good names consistently.

If I had about 200k lying around, would I have done what Adam did? Yes, positively.

But I don't even have $2000 lying around. I can't afford to even think of doing what Adam did. And unfortunately, the average domainer is quite like me (and often, even worse)
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Originally Posted by italiandragon

I agree , ok.....let`s say "virtually in $1,000,000"

But I`m sure that an expert domainer would manage to sell them pretty well , also there are buyers willing to take intere portfolios when the names are good.

Recently, a lot of premium CVCV.coms was being sold at DNF for around 38k - roughly around 1,125 for each name. There were some true gems there, names that would be worth 3k at least in the next few months.

But even until today, the guy is yet to find a buyer at 38k, which is a great deal IMO.

This simply proves that it takes time to sell names. You cannot expect to sell 100 names at a time at optimum value, not even LLL.coms (unless you happen to find a big buyer, like Marchex). Domains are not stocks. They cannot be sold at just a phone call. Liquidation is still quite low for most names.

tristanperry · 11-12-2007, 02:15 AM

I agree entirely (although I agree fully with sashas' points as well). I'm sure that LLLL.coms are a great investment.

In about 6 month's time, I'll probably sell off 20 of my worst domains, and then put that forward for renewal fees for the rest of my LLLL.coms. In a couple of year's time, I'm sure that the average price for even a poor LLLL.com will lead to quite a nice ROI.

Heck, I recently sold an LLLL.com (albeit my best one) for 625% profit. I bought the domain last month... hence that's a tidy profit margin over a 30 day period

italiandragon · 11-12-2007, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by accentnepal

I also bought LLLL's when there were around 85,000 left. At that time there were no all-premiums and no CVCV left. I got one VCVC, probablty a drop - it was a lot better than what was mostly available - at best you could get three premiums and a K,W,J, or U. With some looking you could get names with two of the premiums being A,B,C,D,E,M,N,P,S or T. I got one of the very last all-premiums in mid 05 - it had an H and a F, the two worst premium letters.

Sadly I had neither the funds nor the courage/knowledge to buy a lot of them. $200 each seems high for a reseller value. Estibot values some of them at nice levels - but you won't convince resellers of that. I would guess you could get $75 for two high premium letters, one low premium and a W or K, but first you would have to find someone who would notice that feature above all the noise of Z, X, and Q's of the quick flippers.

I was not hip to drops then, I am sure there was some really nice stuff that you could get that way ---- and spend a lot of time doing it.

uhm...maybe then I was wrong , he did not reg all premium letters but still he claimed to have received 4 figure offers for some of his names.

Alright guys, I guess the datas are incorrect.

Sorry about that.

Originally Posted by sashas

Lorenzo, there is one thing you're forgetting: Adam Dicker can afford to spend 50k each year in renewal fees. He does not care if he spends 25,000 bucks regging names that might/might not pay off (today it looks like they will pay off, 2 years earlier, no one was sure). He has loads, 25k is obviously not a huge issue for him.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=394791

Unfortunately, for most other domainers like you and I, 25k is quite big a number. If I were to somehow invest 25k in LLLL.coms 2 years back, I would've been broke today, not to mention, kicking myself for not having the funds when some great deal had presented itself. I'm still angry at losing a great deal on a name just because I didn't have enough liquid funds at that time, and the owner sold it to someone else.

For Adam, liquidation is not that big of an issue. He as countless other revenue streams. For us, however, liquidation is a big issue. I need to have a regular amount of money coming into my bank account each month, not to mention the ability to buy good names consistently.

If I had about 200k lying around, would I have done what Adam did? Yes, positively.

But I don't even have $2000 lying around. I can't afford to even think of doing what Adam did. And unfortunately, the average domainer is quite like me (and often, even worse)

Recently, a lot of premium CVCV.coms was being sold at DNF for around 38k - roughly around 1,125 for each name. There were some true gems there, names that would be worth 3k at least in the next few months.

But even until today, the guy is yet to find a buyer at 38k, which is a great deal IMO.

This simply proves that it takes time to sell names. You cannot expect to sell 100 names at a time at optimum value, not even LLL.coms (unless you happen to find a big buyer, like Marchex). Domains are not stocks. They cannot be sold at just a phone call. Liquidation is still quite low for most names.

Hi sashas , yes I know all of what you wrote and I agree but I was not inviting anyone to buy 4000 LLLL.com .......no one could do it anymore (at reg fee) anyway since they are gone

Originally Posted by accentnepal

I also bought LLLL's when there were around 85,000 left. At that time there were no all-premiums and no CVCV left. I got one VCVC, probablty a drop - it was a lot better than what was mostly available - at best you could get three premiums and a K,W,J, or U. With some looking you could get names with two of the premiums being A,B,C,D,E,M,N,P,S or T. I got one of the very last all-premiums in mid 05 - it had an H and a F, the two worst premium letters.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=394791

Sadly I had neither the funds nor the courage/knowledge to buy a lot of them. $200 each seems high for a reseller value. Estibot values some of them at nice levels - but you won't convince resellers of that. I would guess you could get $75 for two high premium letters, one low premium and a W or K, but first you would have to find someone who would notice that feature above all the noise of Z, X, and Q's of the quick flippers.

I was not hip to drops then, I am sure there was some really nice stuff that you could get that way ---- and spend a lot of time doing it.

Who said H and F are the worst premium letters?

accent · 11-12-2007, 04:58 AM

If someone bought that many LLLL.coms back then, particularly if they played the drops and had more knowledge than I did (hardly difficult, that), it is very believeable that there have been end user offers in the $$$$ or even low $$$$$ range. We hear of such sales on this board every few months.

Originally Posted by ItalianDragon

Who said H and F are the worst premium letters?

Somebody has to be.
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That is based on my experience. Your mileage may vary. And that uses the conventional wisdom that J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z are non-premium -- which i already know you do not agree with.

I think it is great that there are different opinions of which are the best and worst letters, that means we are not all after the exact same domains.

italiandragon · 01-23-2008, 08:52 AM

due to recent huge increase, make this:

$1,200,000 - $1,500,000

accent · 01-23-2008, 09:04 AM

Go Go Go!!!

11-11-2007, 07:53 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 6,390	LLLL.com : how to turn 50,000 in 1,000,000 (in less than 2 years) It`s not a commercial , it`s not a dream. It`s what Adam Dicker has done by buying 4000 LLLL.com in early 2006. Total reg. fees : $25,000 in 2006 Total renewal fees : $25,000 in 2007 And now, he has a portfolio of about 4000 LLLL.com with quality letters that can`t be found for less than $150 - $200 , sometimes not even for more. Not to mention that he received some offers for some names in the 4 figures range (that`s what he told me in the past, I don`t know news since May and I don`t know if he sold any) and also the parking revenue that on 4000 LLLL.com may produce some good results since at that time there were pretty nice names with some Overture results too. In 2006, when he wrote about his 4,000 regs , someone replied him saying "I`ll be waiting the drops next year" but he made clear he does not drop names. He saw a great opportunity when there were still about 85,000 LLLL.com left. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/short-domain-discussion/394791-llll-com-how-turn-50-000-a.html 1 year and half later , the LLLL.com has been totally sold out. Yet , some people doubt that RANDOM , NON-PRONUNCIABLE LLLL.com are a good investment. I wish these people to address me to better investments than turning $50,000 in $1,000,000+ in less than 2 years. In the mean time , I am kicking myself to have not noticed this great opportunity earlier than when I did , but I did not want to kick myself for missing it at all. The price of the ugliest LLLL.com are rising day by day in all aftermarkets. In another 2 years , I wonder how many people will write: "oh....I wish I did..." "If only I could turn back in time..." "I can`t believe I was there but I did not buy any LLLL.com..." Thank you __________________ www.MMCP.com www.decretoingiuntivo.net www.ipotecalegale.info www.swishersweetslittlecigars.com

11-11-2007, 08:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,854	Adam has also bought an awful lot of IDN , high hundreds if not thousands, I believe. But your million in 2 years is only perceived not actual, there are stats and stats. __________________ MonikerBlog.com Last edited by wot; 11-11-2007 at 08:08 PM.

11-11-2007, 11:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
accent Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,299	I also bought LLLL's when there were around 85,000 left. At that time there were no all-premiums and no CVCV left. I got one VCVC, probablty a drop - it was a lot better than what was mostly available - at best you could get three premiums and a K,W,J, or U. With some looking you could get names with two of the premiums being A,B,C,D,E,M,N,P,S or T. I got one of the very last all-premiums in mid 05 - it had an H and a F, the two worst premium letters. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=394791 Sadly I had neither the funds nor the courage/knowledge to buy a lot of them. $200 each seems high for a reseller value. Estibot values some of them at nice levels - but you won't convince resellers of that. I would guess you could get $75 for two high premium letters, one low premium and a W or K, but first you would have to find someone who would notice that feature above all the noise of Z, X, and Q's of the quick flippers. I was not hip to drops then, I am sure there was some really nice stuff that you could get that way ---- and spend a lot of time doing it. __________________ Domains for sale For List Of Country Code Domains Jewelry of Tibet and Nepal TibetanJewelry.mobi Tibetan Symbols Om Pyramids Ancient Egyptian Secrets Ancient Mystery Eden Shakti

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italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 6,390	due to recent huge increase, make this: $1,200,000 - $1,500,000 __________________ www.MMCP.com www.decretoingiuntivo.net www.ipotecalegale.info www.swishersweetslittlecigars.com

01-23-2008, 09:04 AM	#18 (permalink)
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11-11-2007, 07:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mike NamePros Expert Join Date: May 2005 Location: www.chrome.us Posts: 5,184	I agree with you. LLLL.com domains offer themselves for great investment. Just like you, i'm kicking myself for not realizing the opportunity earlier and only managed to snag a very low number of LLLL.com domains. I'm going to hold on to them, and wait for their value to increase even further. I just got an offer for one of them but even though i rejected the offer, the number was still more than 6x the initial investment. My opinion is logically, if you can find any or pick them up from a drop, buy it,...other than that, it's a definitive hold-wait situation. IB

11-11-2007, 09:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Web Master Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: www.Shelter-Your-Domains.zor.org Posts: 1,471	LLLL.com does have potentials. Really sorry for overlooking some good LLLL.Coms years ago. Good LLLL.Coms do have attractions to business parties in the market.

11-11-2007, 11:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
VURG VURG Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 2,565	Not sure about your maths. I bought around 100 LLLL.com around the same period. That would put my collection to be worth $25K. I'd be very happy to entertain offers off people who think that my LLLL.com collection is that good.

11-11-2007, 11:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
VURG VURG Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 2,565	Not interested in putting my names under public scrutiny today. Maybe Adam was a lot better at picking names than me. I've seen enough similar appraisals to know that my collection is not that good.

11-12-2007, 02:15 AM	#14 (permalink)
tristanperry Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wales - United Kingdom Posts: 1,785 Follow @TristanPerryIX	I agree entirely (although I agree fully with sashas' points as well). I'm sure that LLLL.coms are a great investment. In about 6 month's time, I'll probably sell off 20 of my worst domains, and then put that forward for renewal fees for the rest of my LLLL.coms. In a couple of year's time, I'm sure that the average price for even a poor LLLL.com will lead to quite a nice ROI. Heck, I recently sold an LLLL.com (albeit my best one) for 625% profit. I bought the domain last month... hence that's a tidy profit margin over a 30 day period

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