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Is it necessary to get your website listed on DMOZ? I've pretty much given up because every site I've submitted has never been listed and I'm not sure why.

Can anybody help me out here?

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paullopez

Yes it is good to be listed in a DMOZ. Submit your link and forget about your submission, because God knows when it will be approved, however, this is just my opinion, which is based on personal experience so don't take it too seriously

enlytend

Not any more.

Ten years ago, it was a must-have. But after years of problems with corrupt editors, no editors, internal politics, etc. it's become kind of a joke.

It does pass link juice. Submit a listing and forget about it - maybe you'll get lucky. Don't waste any sleep over it if you don't get in.

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MattheP

Its not necessary, but high PR backlink will help your site for sure.

Sometimes you have to wait for submission approval for years. As member above said - there are numerous problems with editors, politics etc. Thats why advice "sumbmit and forget" usually applies for dmz submissions. Good luck

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nmridul

I Support this. Don't waste any sleep over it ...

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newsindia

Hi,

Getting back link from dmoz is big deal.

AJKpeter

DMOZ is very good directory, I use paid submission

Domainace

Good joke. I'll have you carved on Mount Rushmore for $50. Email me for my paypal.
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Dmoz is not worth the time it takes to fill out the application. There's hardly a site listed that's not 20 years out of date.

Debt.tv

A big deal? Try and get listed! It's impossible!

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elias75

I submit all my sites to DMOZ as a standard thing of what I do. The last 2 years only one got accepted out of about 20.

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codyjames

Its not the be all and end all, Like dont get me wrong, it will help but there are plenty off ways to get high PR backlinks.

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testboss

Dmoz and Yahoo directory do have their high potential in seo as the links are much more reliable they are no follow but the traffic ratio is really good.

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codyjames

In the long run, its better to get good quality high pr backlinks (do follow) then a no follow link like at dmoz.

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enlytend

DMOZ links are do follow.
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BUT, unless you're in a very small niche, you could be sharing a page with over 100 links. A PR4 page with 120 links isn't passing much link juice to any of them.

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codyjames

Ah ok, thanks for clearing this up. And I agree, but I still stand behind what I said, there are so many other sites that you can submit to.

Its been stated before but its true, submit to dmoz and move on.

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RogueWriter

Eh, I've been trying to get my main commerce site, canvas tarps dot com in there for many years. Most of my competitors are in there already, and I can't help but think that one of them must be the editor for my niche.

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marcusofplymout

DMOZ doesnt hold anywhere near as much weight as it once did. There have been many incidents of their staff selling entry into the directory which really hasn't helped them.

CrazyAboutDomains

I totally agree. Nowadays it is not as vital as it used to be. Plus, submitting your site and getting listed is almost impossible. You'd better try some different link building strategy.

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SEOFocused

well, if yuo can get your site added on DMOZ, it surely will help to some degree. however, i would just suggest you to submit and forget as you have a big fat chance of getting accepted. unless you know some editor there and have a fat bank account. one of their editors once demanded 10K from shoemoney or he would remove shoemoney's site. when he refused, his site was removed. now go figure.....

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codyjames

Im assuming you mean he doesnt have a good chance off getting accepted heh

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WebIntellects - Rob

I was reviewing a potential clients site and I suspect the DMOZ listing may actually be doing them more harm than good.

Just my 2 cents.

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codyjames

Interesting, what harm is it doing and how did you find out?

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snowbird

As a dmoz editor, I can say quite a bit in regards to this thread that has opened up. But, I will try to keep this as short as possible. DMOZ is not obligated to list your site. When you submit a site, it is referred to as a suggestion. That is all. The editors are all volunteers except for a few paid staff members which are directly employed by AOL since DMOZ is owned by AOL.

The idea of the directory is that the volunteer editors will add sites to the directory that are unique and are considered quality sites. There is a common misconception for those who are suggesting sites to the directory for review. Many people feel their site should be reviewed in a timely manner and many feel they have the right to hear wether or not their site has been approved or rejected and why.
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But none of this is true at all. When you suggest a site, you are simply helping the volunteer editors find sites that may be worth while to add to the directory. There is no set amount of time an editor must spend reviewing sites. There is a 99% chance the editor who may actually see your site is a volunteer editor and that editor gets tons of "site suggestions" every day. These editors basically have lives and full time jobs other than editing on DMOZ. The category I edit in has over 10,000 site suggestions. If those who submitted those suggestions just recently expect me to get to theirs anytime soon they are sadly mistaken. Not only that but for every 1,000 sites you review, chances are you will see another 2,000 new suggestions just made.

The concept of the community was great when it was first launched and it still is. But you need to also remember that it is driven by volunteers. So all I can really suggest is that you apply to edit a category to help out.

In regards to volunteer editors selling entry into the directory and the so called corruption a couple of you posted about. Of all the editors it is almost impossible to say that there wont be a few bad apples who joined for the wrong reasons. Just report those editors who you feel are performing such acts. Believe it or not, there are actual cases and investigations that are opened internally to take care of such issues. It was always against the rules for editors to accept bribes. Editors who have been caught taking bribes were usually suspended if not removed as an editor.


This is not an official ODP statement but rather a comment and personal opinion of a volunteer editor.

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RogueWriter

snowbird- Thanks for responding to the thread. What frustrates me is that, for example, the page I have tried to get listed in has not been updated since 2007. So, my competitors get to be listed in this reputable directory, but I do not.
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I apply to help out in the niche that I have worked within for 2 decades, and suggest some of my competitors sites that could be included to show my sincerity, and I get rejected, thanks but no thanks, we don't need help.

I even apply to be an editor for my dinky town of 850 people, but nope, they don't need help there, either.

I look at the bottom of the page I am trying to get in, it has not been updated for 3 1/2 years.

And I wonder, are one of my competitors overseeing that page? Because I cannot see the other side, because there is no way to communicate my frustration or to gather a reason for the seeming rejection, I simply do not know if I am being rejected for some technicality, or if I am being rejected by a competitor. One of those reasons I can live with; the other, not so much.

JMO, but if a page has not been updated for 3 1/2 years, then maybe DMOZ should not be rejecting my legitimate offer to help out in my field of expertise.

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snowbird

I am not really sure exactly what category you are applying to. And I do have to admit that I got rejected about 2 or 3 times before being accepted as an editor. What you need to do when applying for editor is follow some of these rules:

1. Make sure the category you are applying to edit has no other categories under it.
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2. Make sure the category you are applying to edit has very few sites listed in it.

Those are the 2 main rules for finding the right area to edit. New editors are only approved for very small categories with few sites in them and no sub categories. The idea is that they don't want to give a new editor a category in which they could cause some damage to. You have to earn your trust by building up a category and organizing it, etc.

3. Make sure the category has no other editors. There is no reason to have another editor added to such a small category. Also take a look 1 category up. Sometimes there may be an active editor 1 category up capable of handling both of them with absolutely no problems.

4. If you are asked to disclose any sites you may be affiliated with during the application process, disclose them all. They want to know what sites you own, etc. It is ok to submit one of your sites on the application as one of the sites to add, you just need to disclose it as one of your affiliations.

5. They are VERY strict on guidelines. Make sure you cross every T and dot every I. Make sure the URL, title, and description matches their guidelines. Do not make a description that sounds like a commercial. Do not write descriptions that contain mostly just keywords. Make sure spelling and grammar are 100% accurate. Even the slightest mistake can get your application rejected.

5. Instead of submitting 3 sites on the application, there is a little secret. You are also allowed to mention a site that is already listed in that category that you would like to modify or make a change to. For example maybe there is a site already in the category that has a poorly written description. Or maybe the site no longer exists. I would only recommend doing this secret though for 1 of the 3 since they also like to see what type of content you intend to add to the category as well.

As long as you follow those rules above, you should be able to get accepted as a new editor. I know they make it difficult. Believe it or not, very few editors get in on their first application. But if you are persistent, then they will be able to tell you are willing to be an editor that is willing to be dedicated to the community. Also note the spelling and grammar accuracy applies to all of the application and not only on the 3 site samples.

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