site is PR zero but still in Google's first page

elias75 · 05-03-2010, 10:18 AM

One of my sites was aired about a month before the last PR update.
It is still PR0 (but having all content 100% fresh written by me I should hope it gets some in the next update)
What is interesting though, is that the site ranks on G's first page for most of the targeted keywords.... I thought that with PR0 you would be on page #30 or #50....
thoughts?

chandan · 05-03-2010, 10:20 AM

if they indexed for those keywords its normal to come good ranking

high PR not gurantees first google page

elias75 · 05-03-2010, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by chandan

high PR not gurantees first google page

interesting to know.... I always had the impression that PR actually determinates Google's rankings
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/search-engines/654347-site-google-page-ranking-zero-but.html
REP'ed

tq104B · 05-03-2010, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by elias75

One of my sites was aired about a month before the last PR update.
It is still PR0 (but having all content 100% fresh written by me I should hope it gets some in the next update)
What is interesting though, is that the site ranks on G's first page for most of the targeted keywords.... I thought that with PR0 you would be on page #30 or #50....
thoughts?

Google support folks have usually mentioned not to get too fixated on PRn. Whether myth or real, they have usually mentioned that there are 200 or so factors that influence the position of a page (SERP) for a keyword.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=654347

If we follow them, then your page can appear on the same page as a high PR if you have put in solid efforts on majority of the factors. Hence, no surprise here about your observation.

smalltime · 05-03-2010, 11:29 AM

I have several PR0 sites in the top 3 for the keywords. They are all low traffic keywords. 1-5 uniques a day. In my case I think thats why the PR is so low.

**enlytend** · 05-03-2010, 12:45 PM

Apples and oranges.

PR is about backlinks - quantity and perceived quality.

Rankings are about relevance of a particular page to the search query.

Pagerank (Google's internal assessment - the tookbar PR isn't much more than a toy) can INFLUENCE rankings, but in the end more relevant is more relevant.

BrainFreeze · 05-03-2010, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by enlytend

Apples and oranges.

PR is about backlinks - quantity and perceived quality.

Rankings are about relevance of a particular page to the search query.

Pagerank (Google's internal assessment - the tookbar PR isn't much more than a toy) can INFLUENCE rankings, but in the end more relevant is more relevant.

Apples and oranges... exactly.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=654347
If pr was so important, wouldn't google rank number one for everything!
PR is a factor, but RELEVANCE is much more important (relevent content and links). The best thing to do about PR is ignore it.

thebutler · 05-05-2010, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by smalltime

I have several PR0 sites in the top 3 for the keywords. They are all low traffic keywords. 1-5 uniques a day. In my case I think thats why the PR is so low.

Your PR would be low because of the number of backlinks pointed to your website (and quality of backlinks). The number of uniques that you receive everyday have nothing to do with PR.

bonou2 · 05-05-2010, 08:17 PM

i have a wp blog, built in llll.com, and it's have #1 in monetizing tutorial, monetize tutorial, and monetization tutorial, at my blog, i use online monetizing tutorial as main keyword, and i use it as title. I guess monetizing tutorial keyword is low competition, so my blog have #1 in google search, so pr is not relevant with google search position.

andr69 · 05-06-2010, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by elias75

One of my sites was aired about a month before the last PR update.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=654347
It is still PR0 (but having all content 100% fresh written by me I should hope it gets some in the next update)
What is interesting though, is that the site ranks on G's first page for most of the targeted keywords.... I thought that with PR0 you would be on page #30 or #50....
thoughts?

Happy you are - the 1st page on Google is my dream...

fattaah · 05-06-2010, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by elias75

One of my sites was aired about a month before the last PR update.
It is still PR0 (but having all content 100% fresh written by me I should hope it gets some in the next update)
What is interesting though, is that the site ranks on G's first page for most of the targeted keywords.... I thought that with PR0 you would be on page #30 or #50....
thoughts?

congrats.i think this is due to the keyword relevancy and your site content.

digital29 · 05-06-2010, 10:42 AM

PR has NOTHING to do with position in search...it does NOT contribute to it

richrf · 05-06-2010, 02:04 PM

I do not want to generalize since I am sure Google's algorithms are quite complex and are designed to give high priority to known quality sites but also to give new sites a chance to get visitors and prove itself. I can state categorically that the primary SERP determinant for my site on Links.com is a combination of acceleration in traffic volume(both up and down), the average time a visitor spends on the site, the source of the traffic, and the bounce rate, as well as relevancy of content to the keywords.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=654347
My position on the first page for keywords is almost entirely determined by my ability to keep traffic flowing to the site and the lingering time on the site.

Rich

elias75 · 05-07-2010, 05:31 AM

many interesting points discussed here.... so what really does PR? I mean REALLY what is it's relevance in SEO (or elsewhere?)

richrf · 05-07-2010, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by elias75

many interesting points discussed here.... so what really does PR? I mean REALLY what is it's relevance in SEO (or elsewhere?)

Again, speaking for my site only (Links.com), if I receive traffic from a high PR site (say 5 and above), and that traffic lingers on my site, Google will judge my site to have relevant content for certain keywords and will give my site higher SERP.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=654347

So, it is not as simplistic as just getting lots of links to a site. It is a matter of getting high quality links that will drive traffic to my site and that traffic lingers. If the traffic does not linger - it will have a negative impact on SERP. Traffic patterns matter.

This is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Rich

mdamin76 · 05-07-2010, 06:48 AM

PR is not the only ranking factor. There's still other things such as domain, meta tag, relevant backlinks, etc.

Sqnwk · 05-10-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by elias75

One of my sites was aired about a month before the last PR update.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=654347
It is still PR0 (but having all content 100% fresh written by me I should hope it gets some in the next update)
What is interesting though, is that the site ranks on G's first page for most of the targeted keywords.... I thought that with PR0 you would be on page #30 or #50....
thoughts?

There is a number of things that go into search results page rank is only one component.

onlinedownloads · 05-12-2010, 09:34 PM

I don't think Page Rank has any influence on search engine ranking.
I've seen many websites that are PR0 and enjoying good SERPS.

richrf · 05-12-2010, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by onlinedownloads

I don't think Page Rank has any influence on search engine ranking.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=654347
I've seen many websites that are PR0 and enjoying good SERPS.

I think that PR is relevant to SERP but not in the way most people think.

IF ... a high PR site sends relevant traffic to my site (PR denoting an authoritative, trusted site)

AND .. that traffic lingers on my site (e.g. finds the content of my site relevant)

THEN ... my site (the target of the high PR site) will enjoy better SERP.

So, PR is relevant as it denotes an authoritative and trusted Source for traffic that can be used to measure the relevancy of content on other sites.

SO ... I would great appreciate a high PR that directs relevant traffic to my site.

Rich

ePag · 05-13-2010, 01:56 AM

Your position in Google does not depend on your page rank. If you have a good site with quality content you can rank well even if your page rank is 0. Keep up the good work, continue to add quality content and PR will follow.

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enlytend Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,152 Follow @enlytend	Apples and oranges. PR is about backlinks - quantity and perceived quality. Rankings are about relevance of a particular page to the search query. Pagerank (Google's internal assessment - the tookbar PR isn't much more than a toy) can INFLUENCE rankings, but in the end more relevant is more relevant. __________________ Enlytend Solutions - Internet marketing and web development Was my advice helpful? Please consider a small donation to the National Canine Cancer Foundation - a tax deductible 501(c)(3)that directly funds cancer research

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richrf NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 434	I do not want to generalize since I am sure Google's algorithms are quite complex and are designed to give high priority to known quality sites but also to give new sites a chance to get visitors and prove itself. I can state categorically that the primary SERP determinant for my site on Links.com is a combination of acceleration in traffic volume(both up and down), the average time a visitor spends on the site, the source of the traffic, and the bounce rate, as well as relevancy of content to the keywords. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=654347 My position on the first page for keywords is almost entirely determined by my ability to keep traffic flowing to the site and the lingering time on the site. Rich __________________ LINKS.COM For SALE Contact Links.com

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elias75 NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 699	many interesting points discussed here.... so what really does PR? I mean REALLY what is it's relevance in SEO (or elsewhere?) __________________ Domain Name Auctions

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ePag NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 31	Your position in Google does not depend on your page rank. If you have a good site with quality content you can rank well even if your page rank is 0. Keep up the good work, continue to add quality content and PR will follow. __________________ ePagini

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