Mozilla Engine, CSS, Scrolling problem

crache · 05-31-2004, 06:22 PM

Hello, I just found this forum after not being able to find a solution to my issue. I started designing my first from scratch layout today and ran into a problem with mozilla based engines. (konqueror and IE not affect) You can pretty much see it here: http://crache.org/test/

You will notice that if the window width is below minimum then mozilla based engines push the contect to the left and is not even available by scrolling! I definetly do not want this happening, and any help would be much appreciated. And if you feel so inclined, you will notice that the bottem only lines up in IE but no mozilla / konqueror. Anyways, thank you in advance;
Josh

06-06-2004, 06:46 PM

Provided link brings up 404 error pilfered from StrongBad.

crache · 06-06-2004, 06:57 PM

I gave up on css for now and switched to tables until browser support is more widespread. The problem was fixed mozilla nightlies, but no one is using mozilla nightlies are they?

06-06-2004, 07:02 PM

Mozilla developers do. And strange people like me, who use the occasional nightly from FireFox or another member of the project. For development though, you only need to worry about the stable releases and whatever changes in the nightlies aren't actually bugs.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/programming/32456-mozilla-engine-css-scrolling-problem.html

CSS layouts are a little tough to learn, but once you get them down it is hard to imagine setting up most pages any other way. The return in update/maintenance more than justifies the effort, and clients who have had to maintain a table layout site will be thrilled at how much easier it is to update a CSS site that was properly made. The key is to develop for 5.x browsers, and degrade harmlessly for NN 4.7.x and below (and the occasional IE4). They are such a minority on the Internet now that they shouldn't be a chief concern for the majority of projects.

crache · 06-06-2004, 07:08 PM

yes, but the problem here is that the latest stables of mozilla and firefox ( a good chunk of visitors) breaks this when using a simple float left. If the window is too small, the left is cut off and no option to scroll.

06-06-2004, 08:01 PM

It is possible there is a fix. I'm not completely sure what the problem really is, because there is no example. If it really is a bug, it should also be reported to the BugTracker.

crache · 06-06-2004, 08:15 PM

there is no need of reporting since it is fixed in the latest version. You can see it here: http://blog.crache.org

example:
load in firefox .8
resize window to be smaller than the contents.
watch left disappear

06-06-2004, 09:28 PM

It is working for me, but I'm not surprised though. It isn't too uncommon for messups to appear in a Mozilla/Firefox nightly only to be fixed a short while later. My nightly is fairly recent.

In terms of design though, I would only concern myself with the official releases. The people who use the nightlies are usually the sort that know what they are doing, and many of them don't use the nightlies as their primary browsers.

05-31-2004, 06:22 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
crache New Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 4	Mozilla Engine, CSS, Scrolling problem Hello, I just found this forum after not being able to find a solution to my issue. I started designing my first from scratch layout today and ran into a problem with mozilla based engines. (konqueror and IE not affect) You can pretty much see it here: http://crache.org/test/ You will notice that if the window width is below minimum then mozilla based engines push the contect to the left and is not even available by scrolling! I definetly do not want this happening, and any help would be much appreciated. And if you feel so inclined, you will notice that the bottem only lines up in IE but no mozilla / konqueror. Anyways, thank you in advance; Josh

06-06-2004, 06:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
James Guest Posts: n/a	Provided link brings up 404 error pilfered from StrongBad.

06-06-2004, 06:57 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
crache New Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 4	I gave up on css for now and switched to tables until browser support is more widespread. The problem was fixed mozilla nightlies, but no one is using mozilla nightlies are they?

06-06-2004, 07:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
James Guest Posts: n/a	Mozilla developers do. And strange people like me, who use the occasional nightly from FireFox or another member of the project. For development though, you only need to worry about the stable releases and whatever changes in the nightlies aren't actually bugs. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/programming/32456-mozilla-engine-css-scrolling-problem.html CSS layouts are a little tough to learn, but once you get them down it is hard to imagine setting up most pages any other way. The return in update/maintenance more than justifies the effort, and clients who have had to maintain a table layout site will be thrilled at how much easier it is to update a CSS site that was properly made. The key is to develop for 5.x browsers, and degrade harmlessly for NN 4.7.x and below (and the occasional IE4). They are such a minority on the Internet now that they shouldn't be a chief concern for the majority of projects.

06-06-2004, 07:08 PM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
crache New Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 4	yes, but the problem here is that the latest stables of mozilla and firefox ( a good chunk of visitors) breaks this when using a simple float left. If the window is too small, the left is cut off and no option to scroll.

06-06-2004, 08:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
James Guest Posts: n/a	It is possible there is a fix. I'm not completely sure what the problem really is, because there is no example. If it really is a bug, it should also be reported to the BugTracker.

06-06-2004, 08:15 PM	THREAD STARTER #7 (permalink)
crache New Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 4	there is no need of reporting since it is fixed in the latest version. You can see it here: http://blog.crache.org example: load in firefox .8 resize window to be smaller than the contents. watch left disappear

06-06-2004, 09:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
James Guest Posts: n/a	It is working for me, but I'm not surprised though. It isn't too uncommon for messups to appear in a Mozilla/Firefox nightly only to be fixed a short while later. My nightly is fairly recent. In terms of design though, I would only concern myself with the official releases. The people who use the nightlies are usually the sort that know what they are doing, and many of them don't use the nightlies as their primary browsers.

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