CSS: what's the use of it?

lucesei · 01-29-2004, 06:49 AM

Hey, don't let the title confuse you, I'm studying CSS really hard, because I love it. My goal is to build a site using 100% CSS...At least, this WAS my goal.
I just made a simple but nice CSS button, to use on my site. Here's the code:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/programming/18869-css-whats-the-use-of-it.html

.button { color: #403f71; font-variant: normal; font-size: 11px; font-family: "trebuchet MS", verdana, arial, helvetica, geneva; text-decoration: none; background-image: url(http://cdn.namepros.com/images/grad_20_dn.gif); text-align: center; text-transform: uppercase; vertical-align: middle; border: solid 1px #79789b; width: 97px; height: 20px; cursor: hand }

As you can see, all plain definitions, nothing complicated. No alpha filters, for example. I tested it in several browsers, just to make sure. Well, I got a big surprise: I really thought that Netscape, at least with version 7.1, had caught up at least with the CSS basics. I was WRONG! It misses about half of the definitions: no font-variant, no text-transform, no width, no background-image. In other words, the button is unusable.
If it can't even render such a simple thing, what chance do I have with a complete website?

My question to the world is: why bother creating CSS in the first place, if we can't use it? I mean, I'm not talking about a minor browser like Konqueror, I'm talking about Netscape, I can't afford to build a site that is unusable with Netscape!

I'd like to have your comments...

adam_uk · 01-29-2004, 09:27 AM

building a site using 100% css?

its not possible!!

i use css all the time and ti works fine

blouis · 01-29-2004, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by adam_uk
building a site using 100% css?

its not possible!!

i use css all the time and ti works fine

i use CSS all the time as well, i have no problems with it.....and yea you cant have a 100% CSS web site, you can do alot to the page with CSS and DIV tags and ****.

linuxfan · 02-01-2004, 11:05 PM

You can make a complete site with CSS!

And I use konqueror half the time.

blouis · 02-02-2004, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by linuxfan
You can make a complete site with CSS!

absolutly no <html> tags in there, if so, sweet. i learned something today. im gonna look up more info on that.

Evilhaider · 02-05-2004, 09:47 PM

I think the point being made is not a site that has absolutely no HTML tags. Rather the distinction that the structure of the site is primarily css based rather than nested table based as is the case with a majority of the sites on the web now. You would still need HTML of course. But by using CSS you could make the code a lot less messy by removing the crazy nested tables that you have to use sometimes. Not only that, it'd probably increase the page load times by decreasing the page size. From what I've read however, there is limited support for this. CSS 2.0 is aiming towards making this a REALITY but most browsers apparently do not support 2.0 yet. We'll see what the future holds

Anthony · 02-08-2004, 11:49 PM

Check out this for working with CSS for multiple browsers:
www.alistapart.com/topics/css/

rrobert · 02-15-2004, 04:44 AM

According to the latest investigation (NSA, FBI, CIA, KGB ;-)), above 75% of the browsers currently in use (I mean, really used by real people who surf on the web) are MSIE5+. They are fully CSS compatible (or almost!). Until Netscape will catch the CSS train, consider making a small (very small, indeed) page in which you can suggest them to download a proper browser.
Anyway, it's clear that CSS is the future, so, sooner or later all browsers will have to be fully compatible with it (or die).

bassplayinuk · 04-07-2004, 02:27 PM

CSS is great. Here's an example of what can be done with it. My mates site has a theme selector.

http://www.wastedyouthconsortium.com/

Goto the bottom of the right hand column and look under Themes to find a drop down menu box full of different themes to use. I used a similar thing on a site I used to run.

This is quite a basic thing to do withh CSS but a good example. CSS can do so much and makes my life much easier and my html code much tidier and therefore easier to manage.

Southern Gal · 04-07-2004, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lucesei
.button { color: #403f71; font-variant: normal; font-size: 11px; font-family: "trebuchet MS", verdana, arial, helvetica, geneva; text-decoration: none; background-image: url(http://cdn.namepros.com/images/grad_20_dn.gif); text-align: center; text-transform: uppercase; vertical-align: middle; border: solid 1px #79789b; width: 97px; height: 20px; cursor: hand }

Well, you probably did a little overkill with the button. I have mine pared down to this:

Code:

input.button {
	background-color : #EFEFEF;
	color : #000000;
	font-size: 11px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}

Anything more than that probably won't be read by any browser.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=18869

Good luck with this!

Wesley · 04-08-2004, 09:59 PM

I personally don't get why you're bothering with this project... Why not just use tables?

OneEyedDog · 04-09-2004, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wesley
I personally don't get why you're bothering with this project... Why not just use tables?

Its better for the search engines and easier to update, tables are becoming more and more old skool by the day.

Southern Gal · 04-09-2004, 04:20 AM

Tables are good for some sites...I still use them in the hosting site. Everything loads pretty quickly so I'm probably going to keep them there.

All of my other sites use .CSS only...it loads quicker!

Wesley,
It's so great to just change one thing in a style sheet for 50 pages vs. each of the 50 pages.

AlexBlom · 04-12-2004, 08:21 AM

Yes. CSS is great. Is also good for pc/mac sites, makes it easier to keep it the same.

01-29-2004, 06:49 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
lucesei New Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2	CSS: what's the use of it? Hey, don't let the title confuse you, I'm studying CSS really hard, because I love it. My goal is to build a site using 100% CSS...At least, this WAS my goal. I just made a simple but nice CSS button, to use on my site. Here's the code: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/programming/18869-css-whats-the-use-of-it.html .button { color: #403f71; font-variant: normal; font-size: 11px; font-family: "trebuchet MS", verdana, arial, helvetica, geneva; text-decoration: none; background-image: url(http://cdn.namepros.com/images/grad_20_dn.gif); text-align: center; text-transform: uppercase; vertical-align: middle; border: solid 1px #79789b; width: 97px; height: 20px; cursor: hand } As you can see, all plain definitions, nothing complicated. No alpha filters, for example. I tested it in several browsers, just to make sure. Well, I got a big surprise: I really thought that Netscape, at least with version 7.1, had caught up at least with the CSS basics. I was WRONG! It misses about half of the definitions: no font-variant, no text-transform, no width, no background-image. In other words, the button is unusable. If it can't even render such a simple thing, what chance do I have with a complete website? My question to the world is: why bother creating CSS in the first place, if we can't use it? I mean, I'm not talking about a minor browser like Konqueror, I'm talking about Netscape, I can't afford to build a site that is unusable with Netscape! I'd like to have your comments...

02-05-2004, 09:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
Evilhaider NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 252	I think the point being made is not a site that has absolutely no HTML tags. Rather the distinction that the structure of the site is primarily css based rather than nested table based as is the case with a majority of the sites on the web now. You would still need HTML of course. But by using CSS you could make the code a lot less messy by removing the crazy nested tables that you have to use sometimes. Not only that, it'd probably increase the page load times by decreasing the page size. From what I've read however, there is limited support for this. CSS 2.0 is aiming towards making this a REALITY but most browsers apparently do not support 2.0 yet. We'll see what the future holds __________________ Tutorial Maniacs - The most comprehensive collection of QUALITY hand picked tutorial links on the internet. http://www.tutorialmaniacs.com

04-07-2004, 02:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
bassplayinuk NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 47	CSS is great. Here's an example of what can be done with it. My mates site has a theme selector. http://www.wastedyouthconsortium.com/ Goto the bottom of the right hand column and look under Themes to find a drop down menu box full of different themes to use. I used a similar thing on a site I used to run. This is quite a basic thing to do withh CSS but a good example. CSS can do so much and makes my life much easier and my html code much tidier and therefore easier to manage. __________________ Adware Remover Gold Evidence Cleaner Gold Modem Speed Booster PC Speed Booster

04-09-2004, 04:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
Southern Gal New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Navy Town USA Posts: 13	Tables are good for some sites...I still use them in the hosting site. Everything loads pretty quickly so I'm probably going to keep them there. All of my other sites use .CSS only...it loads quicker! Wesley, It's so great to just change one thing in a style sheet for 50 pages vs. each of the 50 pages. __________________ Sara

01-29-2004, 09:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
adam_uk Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,187	building a site using 100% css? its not possible!! i use css all the time and ti works fine

02-01-2004, 11:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
linuxfan NamePros Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 66	You can make a complete site with CSS! And I use konqueror half the time.

02-08-2004, 11:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Anthony NamePros Expert Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 9,134	Check out this for working with CSS for multiple browsers: www.alistapart.com/topics/css/

02-15-2004, 04:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
rrobert New Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 9	According to the latest investigation (NSA, FBI, CIA, KGB ;-)), above 75% of the browsers currently in use (I mean, really used by real people who surf on the web) are MSIE5+. They are fully CSS compatible (or almost!). Until Netscape will catch the CSS train, consider making a small (very small, indeed) page in which you can suggest them to download a proper browser. Anyway, it's clear that CSS is the future, so, sooner or later all browsers will have to be fully compatible with it (or die).

04-08-2004, 09:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
Wesley Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: MD Posts: 524	I personally don't get why you're bothering with this project... Why not just use tables?

04-12-2004, 08:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
AlexBlom NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 227	Yes. CSS is great. Is also good for pc/mac sites, makes it easier to keep it the same.

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