Adsense revenue sharing is now prohibited by the new TOS?

David G · 03-15-2005, 04:47 PM

According to the new Adsense TOS revenue sharing is now prohibited unless special permission is granted by Google. This would seem to put a stop to those sites sharing revenue, inlcuding forums like this where it is popular.

Here is the quote "In addition, You agree that while You may display more than one (1) Ad Unit on each Site Web page, You shall not display any Ad Unit on a page that contains Ads associated with another Google AdSense customer (e.g., Your Web hosting company), unless authorized to do so by Google or such other AdSense customer, if authorized."

luxinterior · 03-15-2005, 05:16 PM

Actually I thiink your interpretation of the section you quoted is incorrect.

The key phrase is ''...another Google AdSense customer (e.g.; Your Web hosting company),". What I understand this to mean is that Google do not want you to have Adsense code (the collective term for a group of associated ads which is an 'Ad Unit') on the same page as an advertisement for another Adsense customer.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/ppc-cpc-cpm-programs/75564-adsense-revenue-sharing-now-prohibited-new.html

So for example if I have a page selling widgets and it displays a Google Adsense 'Ad Unit' with other companies ads for widgets I can't also include an advertisemnt for another company selling widgets IF they too are an AdSense customer.

It actually has nothing to do with revenue sharing whatsoever but rather relates to the dilution of the results served by Google Adsense.

Interested to hear other peoples opinion on this too.

Regards

Lux

RJ · 03-15-2005, 06:37 PM

Yes, the way I read it is it has nothing to do with revenue sharing, but rather the issue of having two different Adsense accounts running code on the same page.

There are some free hosting companies that offer hosting in exchange for leaving their adsense code on the page, or in a frame of the page. This new term prohibits the webmaster from additionally adding their code to the same page.

There is a technical issue with showing two Adsense users ads on the same page. With revenue sharing each page will only ever show ads from one user, regardless of the number of ad units shown. Like on NamePros, an unregistered visitor sees three ad units on a page. All three units belong to the same user.

IAmAllanShore · 03-15-2005, 06:41 PM

That's not even a change is it? The most recent cached TOS says the same thing, and I seem to remember this discussion before.
-Allan

majinbuu1023 · 03-15-2005, 06:58 PM

So should I or should I NOT delete my adsense bit from namepros?

luxinterior · 03-15-2005, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by majinbuu1023

So should I or should I NOT delete my adsense bit from namepros?

Well as with any decision you make in life you must look at the facts and make up your own mind. I know exactly how I interpret the section that has been quoted and you've had some other people offer theirs. Read over the TOC's and apply some common sense and reasonable judgement.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=75564

It's your call what you decide to do.

Lux

David G · 03-15-2005, 10:15 PM

Yes, it could be interpreted differnt ways. Good there are other opinions on it and indeed I may be reading it wrong.

I always find it odd how G somehow manages to word things in confusing ways waht with their TOS, many of which terms have always been confusing.

P.S. However, I added this edit after just visiting a popular webmaster forum and reading the Mod said she asked Google about this issue (since she suspected what I did) and G confirmed my original thoughts on revenue sharing not being allowed were in fact correct.

majinbuu1023 · 03-15-2005, 11:07 PM

ok I think I've heard enough,even if it isn't true,to be on the safe side im going to take google ads off namepros :'(

Brian · 03-16-2005, 01:34 AM

This part of the TOS has not changed, it is the same as before. So revenue sharing is still NOT against TOS

***armstrong*** · 03-16-2005, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by trader

Yes, it could be interpreted differnt ways. Good there are other opinions on it and indeed I may be reading it wrong.

I always find it odd how G somehow manages to word things in confusing ways waht with their TOS, many of which terms have always been confusing.

P.S. However, I added this edit after just visiting a popular webmaster forum and reading the Mod said she asked Google about this issue (since she suspected what I did) and G confirmed my original thoughts on revenue sharing not being allowed were in fact correct.

This link explains NP's revenue sharing setup, including the text of Google's statement that the setup conforms to their TOS:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=75564

http://www.namepros.com/faq.php?faq=...g#faq_rev_what

Given that Google hasn't changed their TOS since that statement, it follows that the rev-share setup is still okay.

rb · 03-16-2005, 08:59 AM

Actually, that is a changed portion of the TOS (TOS just changed yesterday, and this is one of the changed parts)

Might be worth an email to Google just to check it out.

As with the other poster, I read a post from a mod in another forum that had direct contact with Google about this issue and Google said that it applied to revenue sharing forums.

It also said if you have explicit permission from Google, then it wouldn't be a problem.

David G · 03-16-2005, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by armstrong

Given that Google hasn't changed their TOS since that statement, it follows that the rev-share setup is still okay.

Sorry to report that is not correct, starting yesterday you need to accept the new TOS to login to your acct, and that is one of several areas that were indeed changed.

RJ · 03-17-2005, 01:07 AM

"You shall not display any Ad Unit on a page that contains Ads associated with another Google AdSense customer"

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=75564
^^ this is the key statement. Just do a careful review of it. Our revenue sharing will never display your Ad Unit on a page that contains Ads associated with us, or any other Google AdSense customer.

Each page will only ever contain one user's ads, per Google TOS. Even when three Ad units are displayed, they all belong to a single user and they are never mixed with other users'.

If by revenue sharing site you mean a site where you can put your Adsense ad alongside someone else's Adsense ad, then that is prohibited. If your host requires you to run their Adsense code on your page, then you cannot in addition post your own Adsense code.

snareklutz · 03-17-2005, 01:31 AM

I'll sort this out! Sending an email to google!

RJ · 03-17-2005, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by snareklutz

I'll sort this out! Sending an email to google!

Do you interpret it differently?

snareklutz · 03-18-2005, 08:37 PM

Hello SnareKlutz,

Thank you for your email. To clarify the AdSense Terms of Service, ads
from different publishers can not appear on the same web page at the
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=75564
same
time.

Currently, AdSense publishers may place up to three regular ad units
and
one Ad Links unit on one web page. Our system will detect the multiple
ad
units and will display unique ads to each ad unit. This system is
optimized for pages with highly targeted Google ads - some pages may
not
show ads in the second or third ad unit. In this case, the ad unit will
show as a transparent box, or will contain any alternate ad or color
specified in the ad code.

The restriction on multiple publishers' ads on a single page is
intended,
in part, to ensure compliance with the Google AdSense program policy
concerning double-serving (showing two identical ads on a single page),
which has not changed since the new multiple ad units system was
released.
There are situations where the ads may be duplicated across multiple ad
units - for example, if your ad code is placed in different frames on a
page, our system will not be able to serve unique ads to each ad unit.

Please feel free to reply to this email if you have additional
questions
or concerns.

Sincerely,

Courtney
The Google AdSense Team

RJ · 03-18-2005, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by snareklutz

Hello SnareKlutz,

Thank you for your email. To clarify the AdSense Terms of Service, ads from different publishers can not appear on the same web page at the same time.

Thanks for getting clarification Snare, that's that I thought.

03-15-2005, 04:47 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
David G NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 269	Adsense revenue sharing is now prohibited by the new TOS? According to the new Adsense TOS revenue sharing is now prohibited unless special permission is granted by Google. This would seem to put a stop to those sites sharing revenue, inlcuding forums like this where it is popular. Here is the quote "In addition, You agree that while You may display more than one (1) Ad Unit on each Site Web page, You shall not display any Ad Unit on a page that contains Ads associated with another Google AdSense customer (e.g., Your Web hosting company), unless authorized to do so by Google or such other AdSense customer, if authorized."

03-15-2005, 05:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
luxinterior Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kizmiaz Posts: 1,088	Actually I thiink your interpretation of the section you quoted is incorrect. The key phrase is ''...another Google AdSense customer (e.g.; Your Web hosting company),". What I understand this to mean is that Google do not want you to have Adsense code (the collective term for a group of associated ads which is an 'Ad Unit') on the same page as an advertisement for another Adsense customer. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/ppc-cpc-cpm-programs/75564-adsense-revenue-sharing-now-prohibited-new.html So for example if I have a page selling widgets and it displays a Google Adsense 'Ad Unit' with other companies ads for widgets I can't also include an advertisemnt for another company selling widgets IF they too are an AdSense customer. It actually has nothing to do with revenue sharing whatsoever but rather relates to the dilution of the results served by Google Adsense. Interested to hear other peoples opinion on this too. Regards Lux __________________ 1 Cent Web Hosting @ Online HostGatorVoucher.com Adsense Hack for Vbulletin - Fully 3.6 Compatible ForexArea.com Free E-Course in Programming EA's

03-15-2005, 06:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Admin Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,919 Follow @DomainBuyer	Yes, the way I read it is it has nothing to do with revenue sharing, but rather the issue of having two different Adsense accounts running code on the same page. There are some free hosting companies that offer hosting in exchange for leaving their adsense code on the page, or in a frame of the page. This new term prohibits the webmaster from additionally adding their code to the same page. There is a technical issue with showing two Adsense users ads on the same page. With revenue sharing each page will only ever show ads from one user, regardless of the number of ad units shown. Like on NamePros, an unregistered visitor sees three ad units on a page. All three units belong to the same user. __________________ Reach me at rj at namepros dot com

03-15-2005, 06:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,316	That's not even a change is it? The most recent cached TOS says the same thing, and I seem to remember this discussion before. -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

03-15-2005, 06:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
majinbuu1023 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,746	So should I or should I NOT delete my adsense bit from namepros? __________________ WowHumor.net - Funny World of Warcraft Pictures

03-15-2005, 10:15 PM	THREAD STARTER #7 (permalink)
David G NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 269	Yes, it could be interpreted differnt ways. Good there are other opinions on it and indeed I may be reading it wrong. I always find it odd how G somehow manages to word things in confusing ways waht with their TOS, many of which terms have always been confusing. P.S. However, I added this edit after just visiting a popular webmaster forum and reading the Mod said she asked Google about this issue (since she suspected what I did) and G confirmed my original thoughts on revenue sharing not being allowed were in fact correct. Last edited by David G; 03-15-2005 at 10:45 PM.

03-15-2005, 11:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
majinbuu1023 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,746	ok I think I've heard enough,even if it isn't true,to be on the safe side im going to take google ads off namepros :'( __________________ WowHumor.net - Funny World of Warcraft Pictures

03-16-2005, 01:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
Brian Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Charlottesville Virginia Posts: 2,317 Follow @laughtodeath	This part of the TOS has not changed, it is the same as before. So revenue sharing is still NOT against TOS __________________ Free Games Funny Jokes and Pictures

03-16-2005, 08:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
rb NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California Posts: 559 Follow @domainjunkies	Actually, that is a changed portion of the TOS (TOS just changed yesterday, and this is one of the changed parts) Might be worth an email to Google just to check it out. As with the other poster, I read a post from a mod in another forum that had direct contact with Google about this issue and Google said that it applied to revenue sharing forums. It also said if you have explicit permission from Google, then it wouldn't be a problem. __________________ Certified Domain Name Junky

03-17-2005, 01:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Admin Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,919 Follow @DomainBuyer	"You shall not display any Ad Unit on a page that contains Ads associated with another Google AdSense customer" ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=75564 ^^ this is the key statement. Just do a careful review of it. Our revenue sharing will never display your Ad Unit on a page that contains Ads associated with us, or any other Google AdSense customer. Each page will only ever contain one user's ads, per Google TOS. Even when three Ad units are displayed, they all belong to a single user and they are never mixed with other users'. If by revenue sharing site you mean a site where you can put your Adsense ad alongside someone else's Adsense ad, then that is prohibited. If your host requires you to run their Adsense code on your page, then you cannot in addition post your own Adsense code. __________________ Reach me at rj at namepros dot com

03-17-2005, 01:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
snareklutz Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,057	I'll sort this out! Sending an email to google! __________________ For sale: forexstochastics.com

03-18-2005, 08:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
snareklutz Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,057	Hello SnareKlutz, Thank you for your email. To clarify the AdSense Terms of Service, ads from different publishers can not appear on the same web page at the ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=75564 same time. Currently, AdSense publishers may place up to three regular ad units and one Ad Links unit on one web page. Our system will detect the multiple ad units and will display unique ads to each ad unit. This system is optimized for pages with highly targeted Google ads - some pages may not show ads in the second or third ad unit. In this case, the ad unit will show as a transparent box, or will contain any alternate ad or color specified in the ad code. The restriction on multiple publishers' ads on a single page is intended, in part, to ensure compliance with the Google AdSense program policy concerning double-serving (showing two identical ads on a single page), which has not changed since the new multiple ad units system was released. There are situations where the ads may be duplicated across multiple ad units - for example, if your ad code is placed in different frames on a page, our system will not be able to serve unique ads to each ad unit. Please feel free to reply to this email if you have additional questions or concerns. Sincerely, Courtney The Google AdSense Team __________________ For sale: forexstochastics.com

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