TT

Ed, Welcome to NamePros. As you can probably tell from some of my previous posts I am a strong advocate of namedrive. I have started to park even more names there than any other program. Now that you are a member here and your business is discussed at length I felt it necessary to open a namedrive only thread for questions and comments directly related to Namedrive. I hope you dont mind Good or bad I invite you to an open dialect with all NP members.
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I would be interested to know one thing I had 2 domains at sedo for over a year and for a combined total in one year they had just over 300 visits. On Dec 1 I parked these same 2 domains at namedrive ( and you can check my account to verify if you like) these same 2 domains are showing a combined total of 1333 and 784 respectively how can this descerepancy be logically answered?

I also have a few other questions I hope you dont mind answering in an open forum.

1) When / How will a member of ND be notified if they fall within the first 50,000 domains at ND and if a person falls within this category how and where does the extra bonus show?

2) Will and When will there be an affiliate program associated with ND?

3) I have been 100% happy with your program since day one if you had the chance to say one thing to a proposed new member what would it be?

Would it be your user interface? Would it be the honest and TRUE unique counts?

Would it be that you provide the best % for the domain owner?

Would it be the fact that from what I can tell so far that your business is really on the up and up meaning you dont steal anything from your members like other PPC programs ( ok maybe not that one but I had to get my dig into SEDO on that one they continue to screw domain owners that park using their service IMHO) They may be the best for domain reselling but they should stay out of the parking business.

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I would also like to know this...
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Also, what is the actual percentage split?

Thanks,
Dave

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This is an important part of domaining and I felt it belonged in the domain discussion forum. If its out of place I think it should be mod's and Admins questioning why I placed it here in the discussion area. Thanks for your post Aunty
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Namedrive offers a new and competitive Domain related service I dont see all other SEDO related discussions being forced into the PPC only area.

Now back onto the topic

I have had the pleasure of Ed from Namedrive PM me and he has stated he would enter into this discussion and answer all of our Namedrive related questions. I am really looking forward to some of my questions being answered and i know there is many members here that also have questions for ED.

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Yes, i'd like to apply to NameDrive, but currently i'm interesting. SEDO pays per click for US traffic a price of ADWords cutted by some percents: so if we optimize page by 'hosting' word we will receive ~1-2$, it's ok. It some user from Western Europe clicks on it we will receive 0.03-0.05$.

Do you pay for clicks outside US adequately for it's ADWords (or whatever ad system bid) price or just some cents ?

I own some domains, 99% of them are non gTLD, no .com's , no .net's etc. There are some good .es domains, and the bids in ADWords for spanish language and people from Spain are high for some words, but I receive 0.03-0.05$ clicks, not 0.40-2$ etc...

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I think that a slot to namedrive would be a good idea, especially for us newbs.
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I'm not too sure about a few basics, like should the keyword be "adult" or "sex", with adult names? - and under the heading "ad types", what should be pressed, "1 click" or "portal"?

Thanks.

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I'd also be interested in knowing how ND compares with Fabulous. I have heard from from at least one other user who thinks F is a better system. I understand there are diverse opinions out there, but I would be intersted in knowing the benefits of ND over F and F over ND.

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Hello everybody,

Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I'm usually lightning fast , but I'm based in Europe, so the post came at 7pm on Friday evening and then I was forced to take a day off by my girlf yesterday! So Sunday it is then.

I wanted to keep my posts shorter, but there's so much to write here that this is going to be giant. I'll then pick off any subsequent questions one by one:

Thanks for the intro TT. It was great to see your posts when I first got onto NP, so it's good to know we already have some fans on here.
The thing with the traffic is certainly an odd one. As I said in my other post, Google doesn't allow us to do any serious SEO or to promote the page in any way other than simply 'parking' it. Uniques are counted differently across the board, but there are normally not such large fluctuations. Like I said in your PM, if you let me know the names, then I'll have a look into them. I'm very interested to see what's going on. People do seem to get more traffic with us than with Sedo, however, this is a huge difference. I certainly wouldn't suggest that Sedo are somehow 'conning' you - they get the earnings from your traffic too, remember. Are the hits still so high? Is the traffic converting.
(this is where I first mentioned the issue)
http://www.namepros.com/142715-sedo-or-namedrive-3.html

Good news and bad news here. Depending how you look at it.
In our first week in September, we changed this from adding a 10% bonus onto the first 3 months' earnings to actually upping our entire revenue share by 10'%. This means that your 10% bonus is basically being paid every day you park with us.
We realised it would be too hard to find which 50,000 domains had been added first, parked with us, taken away, moved back etc.
Not only that, but we wanted to give an extra 10% to everyone as this is such a cut-throat market that we knew we had to push our Rev Share as high as we feasibly could without robbing ourselves of a livelihood. For those of you getting your calculators out, 10% extra revenue share actually works out better than a 10% bonus on top of a 10% lower revenue share
The more good news is that we are keeping this revenue share at this level for the future, despite our first 3 months being up.

I suppose this ties in nicely to Dave's question:
We have never actually revealed our rev share. Like I say, we are active on 4 or 5 boards around the world, this can be gleaned from another board and the reasoning behind our stance on this matter is as follows:
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1. For our own protection: There are several Google syndications now and we don't want to declare to the world 'we are paying XX% revenue share' as it gives them an easy handle to see exactly just why we are beating them...

2. What exactly is a 90% revenue share? You see companies saying 'We'll pay out 90%, 85%, 95% even 100% revenue share. But that's a percentage of what exactly? Every parking company counts views, clicks etc differently. Some chuck away 50% of your clicks, some hit Google but don't hit your account, some show double the traffic of others, some keep a percentage of revenue for themselves before it even gets round to 'sharing' the rev upfront etc. We feel our views/clicks model is extremely accurate in terms of what Google also maps and therefore our high revenue share will make people better off in the long run.

3. We're not going to make any promises we can't keep. We feel that it's impossible to operate when paying out, for example 95% revenue share, so if someone's offering that, go to them and come to us when they go bust...

4. We are the new kids on the block: We HAVE to impress. We can't just give people pretty pages and hope they enjoy their extra one or two cents in their account. We have to make people say "wow, pretty pages, high CTR AND significantly higher PPC". We don't have the luxury of sitting back and watching the cash roll in. We have to fight to make sure we squeeze every cent we can out of your domains. This said, I can therefore guarantee that we pay out a high revenue share to all our clients. We don't cap our payments, if you get a 10$ click, you keep every bit of your commission on it, it's not capped to $2.50 for you and $7.50 for us.

That said, we pay out as high as we reasonably can. We're not greedy and we don't have the luxury of being in the market for a long time that we can live of our previous years' reputation.

Monday, I hope. This has been a long time coming, but we are finally ready to roll out it out. It's just going through the final test phase now.

This almost feels like a set up...
I'd say it's a combination of everything that we are achieving. We cannot keep everyone happy and I'm sure there are people reading this who have been less impressed than yourself about our services. As I have said before, we cannot be everything to everyone. Our main strengths are that:
- We try to be as transparent as possible without lessening our competitive edge.
- We pay as high a revenue share as possible but never subsidize low clicks to make people happy. We show exactly what Google show us. This means that you can get some very low clicks with us, but it also means we don't have to take earnings from your mid- to high clicks to pay for the subsidisation of the lower clicks.
- We are constantly changing, innovating, bringing in new tools. This won't stop.
- We try to be as responsive and pro-active to all customer queries as possible. We have over 1,000 customers and just a handful of personnel, but we try to answer every email within 12 hours and gladly take on any suggestions.
- We have a unique interface where you can divide your larger portfolios into folders. You can see stats per ad region as well as what people are searching for in the search box on your domains, assisting optimization. We have a powerful optimization tool and you can optimize your domains as much or little as you like. We also have over 25 headers to choose from. Our interface is now getting so powerful and comprehensive that we are rolling out a new FAQ very soon

The comparison of AdWords and parking pages is always an interesting and never-ending issue. How can you see $15 bids in Google and only get a $0.10 click? This is something that can be discussed in an entirely different thread as it's so intricate. I can't comment on the Spanish Adwords bid prices, but I can say that a click on a parked page is not simply a click on an Adword advert, it is dependant on several factors - which advert does the person click on?, do they search for something in the search box that is lower-paid? etc.
I can only give you a guarantee that we pay out, less our share, exactly what Google, in all their wisdom, pay us.
I've had a quick look in our back office and found that we have two, yes, two click on a .es hosting ad. This is 33 cents. However, it's not exactly a great test as it's only 2 clicks out of millions.

On another note, if you're optimizing domains for a non-English audience on NameDrive, then it's best not to set any categories and simply select a keyword and a header.

"Sex" is normally good. Here's another bit of info from another forum about portal vs 1-click:
The portal is mainly good for domains where you are not really sure about what the content of the site should be or for domains that are more informational than 'sales' - e.g. searchanything.com would be better on a portal than cars.com which is better-suited to one-click page. I'd say that most people should have around 90% of their names on the one-click option as the CTR is generally higher.

I know that I should spend time snooping around other parking companies' member areas, but I have enough stuff with our own system to deal with. As far as I know, our optimization tool is stronger than at Fabulous - you can choose any relevant keyword you like with us. Fabulous are well-known for doing extremely well in some areas (casino) etc but I am sure that we outperform them in others. I would have to defer to anyone on here who has tested both services. As I've stated before, spreading your individual domains across different companies is really the best way to optimize your parking earnings.
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They do have a better name than us, though. There is no better-named company in the industry than Fabulous

Right, I think that's enough for now. Even I'm getting a bit bored of reading through it, so I suppose you all are as well. You can blame my girlfiend for it being so long!

I look forward to hearing all your views, good or bad, on NameDrive. We are still pretty much minnows in the market, but we are certainly on the up with the help of people such as you, so everything you have to say to us is vital.

I'm going to have a lie down.

Have a great Sunday.

Ed

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I have 15 names parked at namedrive as a trial to test the service,Names that were getting a nice amount of ctr's on SedoPro,The monetizaion is good per the landing pages,Iam using the one click landing page,These names performd well at fabulous awell for me,Iam hoping to get the same results with namedrive,The landing pages having nice headers and the page layouts are appealing.I don't think one keyword is enough for maximum DN monetization imo,I guess a little time will tell me how efficient the parking service is.So far so good.

TT

Ed, Excellent post you have answered alot of very to the point questions. This is what I have been trying to tell other namepros members whenever I made a post regarding Namedrive, In this industry its hard to find honest people behind and honest company.

I cant wait for the affiliate program to roll out

Your remarks on the % factors Namedrive uses and how other companies use this was also an education I knew for a long time that my domains should be making decent money but never realized how much the oyher companies out there were screwing me.

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How fast does namedrive pay out? Are they on time with their payments? And Ed you do accept .be domains right?

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I can answer that, Namedrive has successfully paid me on or before the 15th of each month and they pay if your account has reached 20.00 or more

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Hi damitssam,

We pay out by wire and PayPal and I have to admit that our first two months' payments did go out on the 15th rather than the 10th when we said we would pay out. We have now made our payout date more realistic and changed it to the 15th. We are on track to pay everything out on time this month and for all subsequent months now that our infrastructure has been improved. There is a $20 minimum for payouts which I believe is one of the lowest in the industry.
We do accept .be domains. We have over 5,000 already but most of them have very low traffic. There aren't very many Belgians! We basically accept any TLDs and, if our system isn't yet set up for them, just email us and we'll add that extension to the list. We recently implemented all the Canadian region codes - .to.ca etc. Not sure if anyoneactually owns any of those, but someone wanted it, so...

TT, thanks for your continued support. As I say, we try to be as transparent as possible without sacrificing competitive advantage. I wouldn't say that other companies are 'screwing you' as such. Earnings are just calculated differently in diferent places and each program has its strengths and weaknesses. How about those traffic names? I'd love to get to the bottom of that.
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Keep an eye out for the affiliates. I've been promising it since the beginning of October, so it's great to see them on the way.

Ed

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Namedrive has finally launched the affiliates section, Thanks Ed I know its been tough to get this program initiated. I for one am glad you guys were able to get this up and going. We are planning on implememnting this into one of our sites that we believe will be a site that many domainers from beginners to seasoned veterans will use for information purposes and Namedrive will be a prominent affilated sponsor.

(Now if i could only talk Ed into a link exchange...LOL) I hope I didnt say that out loud.

Namedrive also issued me my payment early this month Dec 14th.

Thanks and Merry Christmas to the staff at Namedrive

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I got my payment today, which is 14th.

Thanks Ed.
and welcome to NP.

Have a nice day, happy holidays to everyone reading this

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Ed. I know this question will probably end with an answer that not many of us want to hear but I thought I would ask it any way.

Can a namedrive member or a member of any other PPC service for that matter ask or apply to the company for stats related to their domains?

I read here all the time from prospective buyers that they would like to know where the traffic is coming from, And I always think to myself the owner of the name for sale has posted a screen shot of there namedrive CP showing numbers but the prospective buyer still asks for a mroe detailed analysis of traffic. Is this possible?

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Just set up hosting, URL forwarding and go see log files.

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Did everyone get paid yet for today?

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Thats against most PPC TOS it must be set to thier nameservers or forwarded via there rules had a client lose a DS account because of them doing what you suggest
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Hey Pony I cant speak for everyone but we sure did get paid, You can check the status of your payment in your control panel

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Hi guys,

Thanks for your continued support Our affiliate program is already bringing in a lot of new accounts, which is great to see.

What sort of stats would you be after TT? We currently display stats and earnings per ad region. We will also be showing incoming referral links which will make the stats reporting even more powerful.
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What sort of other stats are you referring to? If a buyer ever wants to see your stats validated, we will always be glad to do so for you.

Have a good Friday and a good weekend everyone.

Ed

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Why this is against TOS ? Can you refer to the TOS exctly ?
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It's definitely NOT against TOS, as almost all PPC programs have URL Forward feature because some hosters and/or registrators make hard to change nameservers.

If you do not "interfere" into traffic and do not do any influence on it - it's OK.

301 redirect is OK with almost ALL PPC. For sure it is OK with NameDrive as NameDrive says it itself

100% frames w/o any information is OK with almost ALL PPC. Many of them require authorization.

So, what's bad in my post?

TT

As I said earlier MOST here is Domainsponsors view on redirects


· Clicking on your own advertiser links or asking others to do so. This includes but is not limited to family, friends, co-workers, acquaintances, pets, etc.

· Tricking, begging, asking, enticing, or otherwise incentivizing visitors to click on advertiser links.

· Generating traffic to your domains or landing pages. This includes but is not limited to listings on newsgroups or discussion boards, bulk emailing, chat room postings, hitbots, clickbots, spiders, scripts of any kind, etc.

· Redirecting traffic from other sources to your domains or landing pages. This includes, but is not limited to pops, banners, other domains, purchased traffic, etc. All domains must be redirected to their own DomainSponsor landing page and all domain traffic must be natural type-in, search engine, or expired link traffic.

· Redirecting domains to anything else than the DomainSponsor landing page. This includes but is not limited to the search results page, popunder, exit pop, or directly to advertiser links.

· Using DomainSponsor landing pages as anything other than a landing page. This includes but is not limited to popups, popunders, exit pops, banners, skyscrapers, etc.

· Adding popups, popunders, exit pops, homepage captures, installs, banners, or anything else in addition to what is already provided by DomainSponsor on the landing pages without prior expressed written approval from DomainSponsor.

· Manipulating optimization of keywords on landing pages with unrelated content. This includes but is not limited to performing searches for keywords that are unrelated to the domain name; abusing DomainSponsor provided optimization tools, redirecting traffic from other sources to the domain or landing page, etc.

· In addition, any and all domains appearing in your Domain Stats with any significant traffic or revenue must redirect to a DomainSponsor landing page and adhere to all of the above regulations.

As far as Namedrives position on redirects from registrar to your server to landing page I am not sure but maybe Ed will answer.

Yes Ed

I suppose validation is what I was asking, Say I have a domain and I advertise it gets xxxxx uniques/day and has for xx months buyer wants asks where is traffic coming from I am unable to answer that Q as stats do not show this info.

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