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Hey guys,

Of course this is impossible !!!

But just imagine with me, if parked.com would to pay 100% revenue share as well, I am pretty sure they will eat up the competition. LOL

Imagine getting paid twice a month, and getting 100% revenue.
Woooooottttt..


ahh well... back to dreamland for me.

keithperera

well, you never know, perhaps donny would implement that for new members next month.

I shall join you in dreamland. lalala.

Varon

It could be an interesting scenario.

DnPresident

You may have to look at it from a legal stand point,

For instance, I open a parking company and promise 100% rev share. What I don't say is that it is only for certain categories and the categories are games,music, everything else I take a share of and on insurance, loans and some other high paying categories I really burn your A** because I get say $4 per click and usually only give you .90-$1.30

There's your 100% rev share. if your lucky.

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Donny

If you are using Parked, you may be closer to 100% than you realize.

100% payout is a figment of many peoples imagination. No company can run on 100% payout without as DnPresident says in a nutshell "shaving". Shaving is the process of taking a little here and charging a little there. Terminating an account here or there and pocketing the proceeds. I call it a short term business plan.

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Varon

We can't be sure of anything, thats for sure.

cfguru360

The only company that is shaving is yours.

I've been talking to many people in the industry. And many big players seem to dislike your company, and even more specifically - you. I now realized why. We will have to talk personally in the next Miami TRAFFIC show. I am going to be there.

And I'd recommend you stop talking about other companies here how they are "shaving". Bodis.com for one, is NOT shaving, that's a fact. We have a very smart business model that will coincide in the future, and we know why we are offering 100% Revenue right now. I can see you fear my company for very unknown reasons. When I launched the parking program, you had all the features in 1-2 weeks. If anybody is to accuse anyone else here, it is ME, accusing YOU of "stealing" rather than shaving.

Maybe "stealing" is a bad term. Because, like you've said - other companies already had some of the features that I put into Bodis.com. So more like - no originality. You can do the talk, but a few months from now - Bodis.com will be doing the walk.

sf2010

hope you guys can have some fruitful conversations in miami!

win-win situation for us parkers, because competition breeds excellence!

NeeJam

If parked.com paid 100% revenue then you would notice a revenue increase on earnings from your parked pages

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So, who serve the best.

that's the people choice

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goodkarmaco

Nothing inspires me more than folks who stand up for what they believe in.

Some very good points made here and it is true, the one who is paying more is giving closer to the 100% payout.

Slug it out, but the battle is to open the wallet for domaners. Whoever puts those gloves on and fights for the highest payouts for the parked page is the winner in my corner.

Anyone taking odds?

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DnPresident

We'll see how many checks Bodis holds when it comes time to pay up next month.

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no offense to donny as I think parked has the best image selection and seo features title & meta tags, a good handful of names perform the best at parked, on a whole however as far as just taking my whole portfolio and dumping them all at 1 place so far in the 4 days I tested bodis they have produced more income per each of the 4 days than sedo, namedrive, parked, fabulous, domain sponsor, this is not analyzing each domain and splitting them up to the highest paying company which I intend to do which will put some at each company, just talking total income for the whole batch, 1 thing is for sure bodis will make some companies take notice and step up their payouts or lose quite a few domains, as long as payouts come through on time I consider bodis will grab a good share, I know quite a few domainers are holding off waiting for others to get paid before they test, bottom line best income gets each domain, competition is good from a domainer angle, more bodis testing to come soon.

Domagon

Sounds like Parked.com is shaking things up ... good!

In regards to revshare ... in my view, any program that touts over 80%+ rev-share makes one wonder how can they possibly afford to do that long-term; what's the catch.

Bodis looks interesting, but it sounds too good to be true - and when something sounds too good, there's often something not right and/or a catch ...

Parked.com seems very open - their "About Us" page explains a bit about their company and their "Contact Us" page lists a real street address, email, etc.

Contrast that with Bodis ... even after clicking all around their website, I'm still left wondering who they are?, where are they located?, etc...

Ron

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Wow, I'll be at Traffic Miami. Wondering if the fireworks display will be public or private.

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sf2010

Hi Ron-

I have yet to try Parked.com (I have tried ND & Sedo) so I can't really compare between Bodis and Parked but as someone who has been impressed with Bodis thus far, I wanted to try and address your questions (especially since Bodis's main thread is really, really long):

100% rev share model is only for those domainers joining during the year 2007 (yes, you can join with one domain name and expand after 2007 but still be grandfathered in for the 100% rev share for the entire portfolio). After that, 100% share will no longer be available (according to Bodis)


I am certainly not privy to Bodis' business plan, but many Bodis users have openly commented as to how Bodis can do this. It's simply this: Bodis' owner Matt owns a decent number of traffic names which means he can benefit from high revenue as much as anyone else. More so, by bringing over more domainers with higher quality traffic (higher traffic of course), CPC averages will gradually rise. Quite a nice "catch-22", isn't it?

Please keep in mind that Bodis has been in production for around for a month or so (alright, Matt DID some PR campaign since Nov 2006.) During this time, Bodis has been working hard to address some production issues as well as making frequent improvements. So as long as the clicks and revenues are coming in higher, we can "forgive" Matt for not concentrating on the "About" page! Maybe I shouldn't qualify Bodis as a "disruptive technology" (read Innovator's Dilemma) but it comes darn close, judging by how other parking companies are starting to notice and emulate features.

I do agree with you that whenever something new comes along, we need to have a healthy dose of skepticism, but why don't you at least create an account to qualify for 100% rev share and add some domain names and see for yourself? If it is not to your liking, you can always switch back to someone else.

Hope this helps!

PS. I hope to try out Parked.com as well "down the road"!

kwan

The catch is Bodis will not be offering 80%+ in the long run. Matt has made no secret about the rev share going down after 2007.

I don't know Matt, but his strategy is easy to see through if you've been following the Bodis threads here and in my opinion he is executing it (almost) flawless.

How to launch a successful start-up in a highly competitive field with little to no funding?
Internet marketing Lesson #1: Create a hype before the launch so you have a head start when you go live. Matt posted the "New revolution" thread months before the launch. The advantage was obvious when the "Parked now with custom pictures" was posted just a few weeks later.

How do you get enough sign ups to a new and unknown service, to get the word out and do any decent load testing?
1. Give 100% rev share for the first 6 months. Costs: $0.
2. Actively involve the users. Compare the Bodis thread to the Parked/Sedo/... threads.

Is it possible for a one man operation to succeed? Read up on Seth Godin's Bootstrappers Bible and you'll find out it is.

How do old school corporations like directnic make a huge investment like Parked.com profitable? This reminds me of Bob Parson's article last year:
You can read more here from his article about domain kiting.

Matt has balls and I respect him for what he's doing. The attacks from his highly funded yet small minded competitors just makes the whole thing amusing to watch.

His name is Matt, NP member cfguru360. Located in New York. Read some of his 1500+ posts to find out more about him if you're interested.

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Donny

First, yes directNIC is one of our sister companies. Domain Kiting is the process of buying a domain, dropping it, and the re-buying it over and over again. We allowed some of our customers to taste domains for about 8 months. But then we decided it wasn't profitable and to expensive of resources. And we never let anybody re-taste a domain. And just last week one of the largest parking companies tasted over 6 million domains in one day, so 8.4 million over a month is nothing now. For 1.5 years we have not allowed a single domain to be tasted on any of our registrars.

Matt - I didn't attack you. Remember sending me that big lie about you having some "patent pending technology", then when I busted you on it and you said "Opps, I guess I didn't do my research." If I wanted to make your life miserable, I would. But I'm not here to do that. I work with every parking company on a normal basis, we share information on fraudulent users and how to stop fraud in general. We talk about how to improve things like paying the correct numbers to people when you have an Ask feed instead of just averaging everything out like you are currently doing. But instead since you were a little prick, you aren't getting crap from any of us! You sent that message to the wrong person and when I was at a conference, when all I did was go sit and talk to the heads of all of the large parking companies at one time. And about us adding stuff after you, sure our new features weren't available to the general public until after you launched, but so what? You still have like 20 pictures in your system to choose from if I don't have any pictures myself, and we have over 20,000 now. I was never hear to compare our system to yours, I can just say that I have been in many industries in the past, and 100% pay never works out in the end. Besides Bodis there are a few others that were offering 100% payout before you (so don't think you can patent that either), and it works for a while but then the bills come in and they run into problems. You may not have that issue, you may be the only person in 4 or 5 industries that I have seen who has succeeded, and I wish you luck. But you won't get any help from me or a lot of other companies just because of a way you thought you could make revenue which was filing lawsuits against other parking companies who were using your technology that was created while you were still in diapers.

I tell some of our customers on a normal basis when they ask me why certain domains aren't making very much money, I tell them where to send their domain because I know all about every parking company. So I'll give a hint right now, based on how Matt calculates RPC, if you have really crappy RPC at other companies with a lot of traffic send it to Bodis, he will pay you 20-30 cents per click. Or until Ask and Google come knocking.

As Mick Foley would say "Have a nice day!"

Donny

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SDX

Hmm...

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Ditto.

Has my brain cells going nuts.

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Donny

Let me go even further than my last post. This thread was about what if Parked.com paid 100% revenue. Well, technically we do pay 100% revenue in some cases.

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Let's say parking company A gets 75% from their provider and they are paying 100%. And let's say parking company B because they have been around longer are getting 90% from the same provider and then they are paying you 85% of what they receive. So parking company A will pay you 75% and parking company B will pay you 76.5%. Parking company A is making no profit from you being a partner of theirs so at some point they have to do something to make money. Parking company B doesn't have to worry about that, because you are already making more than A and they are making money at the same time.

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Let's say you have the domain lkajsdlkj777.com parked with us at Parked.com, it's getting 200 hits a day, and you ask me for advise on what to do with it to make more money. I'd probably tell you where to send the domain, I'm trying to make all of our customers as much money as possible. If that means I have to send them somewhere else for some domains, they are at least making money in the end.

I was looking at my Bodis accounts and I have a few additional recommendations on how people can make the most amount of money. As I mentioned before if you have domains with very low RPC at other parking companies, with a lot of visitors/clicks, send the traffic to Bodis, you will make a killing. But the new addition is if you have a lot of low paying international traffic, that will do equally as well.

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Let me re-explain the "patent pending story". We have had a content and template uploader for a few customers before the neverending Bodis.com thread was started. A few weeks ago, at the Domain Roundtable, we were going to release our template customizer to everybody, I got a PM from Matt here on Namepros. He had heard that I was going to launch our template editor and that I better not, because he had a "patent pending technology" and he didn't want to bring us to court. So I responded with could you send me the patent number or information and I would look at it, because I would assume there was prior art. No response from Matt. I couldn't find any records with the USPTO myself. So I called in our in-house attorneys.

I then went down and talked to Trafficz, Domain Sponsor, Name Media, Parking Panel, Sedo, and Fabulous about this and they all had prior art and in many cases systems that had been in place for years. Everybody got a big laugh about it and one told me to mention that I have a patent on html.

A day goes by still nothing from Matt, our attorneys say he's full of shit and nothing exists and that we have prior art. So I sent him a PM stating that prior art already exists and other companies are already offering what he thinks he patented. And his only response:
Not only did he not do his research, next week our attorneys will be sending him a $30,000 bill for 3 attorneys working on the weekend for his patent that he didn't own, hadn't filed or hadn't researched. And don't forget I own the patent on html.

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In the adult webmaster world, where 100% payouts were very big at one point. I happen to know quite a few of the people who have run some of those programs over the years. And probably quite a few of them will end up reading this point as some time. But 100% programs are designed to get people in the door, they aren't a long term program. They do work you do get a lot of people to use your program, but then at some point money gets short. And when money gets short to run the business it has to come from somewhere. I'm not interested in going that route. I would rather pay people on time, 1 week after the period is over, and not have to worry about it.

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Matt - You have a nice program. I originally did not attack you and I never said you were shaving. I just said it's something that happens with 100% programs, from my experience. I have no reason to try and copy anything you have in your system, there's no reason to. But I will definitely send some high quality customers your way real soon.

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sf2010

Thanks Donny for your informative post. I do, however, have some questions in regards to your points:

Let me go even further than my last post. This thread was about what if Parked.com paid 100% revenue. Well, technically we do pay 100% revenue in some cases.

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Let's say parking company A gets 75% from their provider and they are paying 100%. And let's say parking company B because they have been around longer are getting 90% from the same provider and then they are paying you 85% of what they receive. So parking company A will pay you 75% and parking company B will pay you 76.5%.......



^ This isn't just unique to Parked.com, but where is that holy grail of transparency as to what percentage of the commission that are taken by the "house"? You mention 75% for new org, 90% from an older org, that's at best a guesstimate because for competitive reasons, I highly doubt that you are sharing this info at the round table. Even your ad says "one of the highest payout...", well, we can all nuance the words but can you back up that claim with some empirical data?


Parking company A is making no profit from you being a partner of theirs so at some point they have to do something to make money. Parking company B doesn't have to worry about that, because you are already making more than A and they are making money at the same time.


Not necessarily true, if the owners of the parking company are also benefiting from higher payouts from their domain name. No, we are not all altruistic, but I have to give credit to a unique business model that Bodis came up with.


I was looking at my Bodis accounts and I have a few additional recommendations on how people can make the most amount of money. As I mentioned before if you have domains with very low RPC at other parking companies, with a lot of visitors/clicks, send the traffic to Bodis, you will make a killing. But the new addition is if you have a lot of low paying international traffic, that will do equally as well.


For what technical reason(s), would I get higher payouts at Bodis if I am getting high visitors but low rpc at other parking companies? Is it because you said that Bodis is averaging clicks together so that this particular person is benefiting from other's commissions? Even if that is true, does it really matter? If I am making $10 bucks at Sedo but now I am making $100 at Bodis, why would I care how some of my $$ may be going to others? Wouldn't the benefits of "pooling" even out and make everyone receive better payouts?


Let me re-explain the "patent pending story"..... We have had a content and template uploader for a few customers before the neverending Bodis.com thread was started. A few weeks ago, at the Domain Roundtable, we were going to release our template customizer to everybody, I got a PM from Matt here on Namepros. He had heard that I was going to launch our template editor and that I better not, because he had a "patent pending technology" and he didn't want to bring us to court. So I responded with could you send me the patent number or information and I would look at it, because I would assume there was prior art. No response from Matt. I couldn't find any records with the USPTO myself. So I called in our in-house attorneys...


Let's cut out the pissing contest. I see value in reading comments from both of you.


....Not only did he not do his research, next week our attorneys will be sending him a $30,000 bill for 3 attorneys working on the weekend for his patent that he didn't own, hadn't filed or hadn't researched. And don't forget I own the patent on html.


On what legal grounds would you take this to court? It was your prerogative to utilize your internal legal resources to work over the weekends out of your own concerns.


In the adult webmaster world, where 100% payouts were very big at one point. I happen to know quite a few of the people who have run some of those programs over the years. And probably quite a few of them will end up reading this point as some time. But 100% programs are designed to get people in the door, they aren't a long term program. They do work you do get a lot of people to use your program, but then at some point money gets short. And when money gets short to run the business it has to come from somewhere. I'm not interested in going that route. I would rather pay people on time, 1 week after the period is over, and not have to worry about it.


See, this is the sort of back-handed "compliments". You say you are a better person by sprinkling compliments but you use coded words like like "get you in the door", "money gets short", etc... I would say to you, if you can dish it out, learn to take it as well.....

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Matt - You have a nice program. I originally did not attack you and I never said you were shaving. I just said it's something that happens with 100% programs, from my experience. I have no reason to try and copy anything you have in your system, there's no reason to. But I will definitely send some high quality customers your way real soon.


My lowly humble opinion, you did "attack" bodis in your original posting and I think you guys just may be concerned enough to launch some negative PR to limit the outflow of clients.

No one is perfect and no organization can last forever without adapting. I would challenge you and all other parking providers to come up with some truly compelling features and bring transparency to the forefront to earn our business. Remember, much like government employees, you guys exist because we exist. not the other way around....

may be bodis will make it, or may be it wont. But the fact is that bodis is earning higher rpc for most people. it doesn't hurt for people to try it, and for god's sake, it doesn't work, then change to something else!!

my 2 cents..

cfguru360

I am not going to even respond to him anymore.

I rather spend the same amount of time working on adding new requested features to the parking program from the users that post here rather than waste my time having a verbal contest with him.

That reminds me, new things are on the way this upcoming week.

CoolMark

Yawn...

As a contended user of both Parked and Bodis and as a webmaster in my own right who sees these intersite squabbles every day I can't help feeling that these childish, petty arguments don't do anyone any good whatsoever.

I think a lot of us come here to get away from the bitching that our own forums' members seem to be so good at perpetuating...

I know I do.

Donny

sf2010 - I'll just comment on a few.

I can't tell you what percentage that I get from my provider, it's in my contract. But all of the large providers know what the others get. We all know what you get with a deal from Ask based on x revenue. You will never have transparency on the domainer side as if you knew that I got x and another partner found out they would want to why they get less.

If there is 0 shaving on a 100% payout, the only way that the owner of the program could benefit if their is a tiered payout by their provider. So if you were getting 65% for less than $500k month, 70% for $500k-$1M and 75% for more than $1M. Which asks does some deals like this as well. This is probably the deal Bodis has now. So paying 100% is a good idea, because if he meets his numbers he will get an extra 5-10% rev share.

I never said I would bring Matt to court. He said he would bring me to court.
This is why we had to have our attorneys work to defend ourselves. Fortunately for us he was lieing to me when he sent his PM.

We have no reason to attack Matt besides that stupid patent crap he tried to pull. We laughed about it more than anything.

I didn't start this thread, somebody just asked if we would pay 100% and I made my general comments, not about Bodis or Matt. Remember there are other companies that are paying 100% that were around longer than Bodis has been.

When I was asked what I thought about the last large Ask based provider when they came out and everybody was loving them, I said give them 3 months of paying people and then we will talk. During that time they will find the Chinese and Romanian fraud teams, they will learn about the sleeper accounts, why am I paying $20 a click for "New York asbsestos cancer" from China, they will get that call from their provider that says your traffic sucks and you need to do something, how do I stop the caca bot, you will realize that people want their money today not tomorrow, and who's the IRS? There are about 300 other things that you learn in the first 3 pay periods, and we all go through them.

I have no reason to start a negative compaign against Bodis, we had our best month ever last month, our TQ scores are the highest they have ever been, and on Friday when we pay our partners out it will be the highest payout ever. Last week we had more domains And we hired 2 more programmers who are starting this week.

But one thing I did learn from this, hire a patent attorney. And they will be starting in 2 weeks.

Matt we will see how everything is going in 3 months. We all go through the growing pains. Good luck.

Donny

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