I don't get Google PR...

sunken · 01-29-2005, 01:43 PM

I just don't get how it figures it out and whether it really means anything in the end. I get about 50-100 uniques per day to the Manor and it's getting better connected as I've been promoting it fairly heavy. It got wasted in the last PR update to 2, yet I see sites that have almost no backlinks at all (one I saw today was a PR3 with 5 links). How does that work?

jstep · 01-29-2005, 02:36 PM

Dont trust google pr, just work on your placement

hotrod12 · 01-29-2005, 07:24 PM

Yeah I know its stupid but dont trust it their data is completely wrong.

webuyhosts · 01-29-2005, 10:32 PM

agreed, google PR is all hype, they have taugh people to beleive in a ghost, what does it bring you at the end????????? 0 , i know people that have 500k people a day and a PR of 3 lol and people say it aint worth much? get out of here , traffic is king and PR is a joke, it will never hold value as traffic and income does, people say i own a PR site that gets 500 uniques a day and makes 75 bucks per month, holly shit arent you special google has blinded you, whats it worth? Income baby - thats all and thats all it will ever amount too, so all you PR lovers, quit getting suckered into buying links and saying to your buddy , my site has value becasue we are PR 6 WHO CARES

just my 2 cents

sunken · 01-30-2005, 12:33 AM

All good advice. Thanks...

trishan · 01-30-2005, 12:55 AM

Still for sites over PR5 i think it is a good indicator...

IAmAllanShore · 01-30-2005, 03:45 PM

And don't forget, Google doesn't show all/any of the backlinks when you search link:yoururl.com for example.

-Allan

webuyhosts · 01-30-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by trishan

Still for sites over PR5 i think it is a good indicator...

FOR??????? that you have links to other site? does it represent your income or real traffic? ive had sites at PR 6 and they were dogs, i made 25 bucks a month off google
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/marketing-techniques/67377-i-dont-get-google-google-page.html
I have friends at PR 8 and they cant sell there site becasue it stinks, no income, i dont see the real value in this make beleive system

ZuraX · 01-30-2005, 05:03 PM

Remember if a PR 5 links to a PR 3 thats not related in content then Google will punish the PR 5. The site you link to and the sites that link to you need to be close to the same topic.

jeter4982 · 01-30-2005, 05:04 PM

Ya, PR is pretty much a joke. However, if it is real high, a 9 or 10, I think it does have some meaning. If you are able to get it up that high, then your site has to have a lot of links, and therefore be popular. Other than that, I think its kind of like a trophy, something fun to have, but not necessary.

sunken · 01-30-2005, 06:33 PM

I probably sounded like I worried about it more than I do. I just couldn't figure out how they come to these conclusions. I realize traffic is the key, and selling the right thing to that traffic, something I'm finding out I'm not very good at. I would love to figure out how all this money is made with websites, but so far that train has alluded me. But I keep trying...

IAmAllanShore · 01-30-2005, 06:43 PM

At the same time, it can be another clue if someone claims hundreds of thousands of uniques but they have a PR1, you might think twice (or three times, baby).

-Allan

identity_00 · 01-30-2005, 09:00 PM

PR has nothing to do with traffic or income. It is calculated by incoming links pointing to your site. PR is important when working with search engine optimization, however. Google gives your site more value and better ranking when a higher PR site links to your site. You have to know how to use the right keywords and such when creating links, however.

Today, Google is not updating their PR as much and trying to keep it more of a secret to stop the purchasing of links.

hotrod12 · 01-31-2005, 03:16 PM

You can try using this website to check how many people and search engines link to your website http://www.widexl.com/remote/link-popularity/index.html

ZuraX · 01-31-2005, 03:56 PM

Nice little script there...

IAmAllanShore · 01-31-2005, 08:20 PM

Nice script.
PR, nice as an indicater, no intrinsic value. Still, very worthwhile as a benchmark of how your site's promo is going.
-Allan

WebForging · 02-12-2005, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by hotrod12

You can try using this website to check how many people and search engines link to your website http://www.widexl.com/remote/link-popularity/index.html

If you read this, try the tool! It's terrific!

sunken · 03-05-2005, 04:43 PM

Sorry for the belated reply. This thread got lost in the shuffle. I got 1255 when I tried that tool, pretty good I think, but those are mostly from forum signature posts I think. The downtime we had moving servers really took a chunk out of the traffic for the Manor, but I am trying to get it back up again with some new features.

majinbuu1023 · 03-05-2005, 07:08 PM

from what I have just read pagerank does sound stupid lol...
my site kwacker.com has 0 pagerank

sunken · 03-05-2005, 09:12 PM

You just put it up the other day didn't you? Google only updates their page rank once in awhile, so it will probably be 2 or higher by the next one if you take this time to get links and stuff. I agree with Allen, to put some content on the site rather than just ads.

weblaunch · 03-13-2005, 02:18 AM

Unfortunately, people put too much emphasis on PR when swapping links. My new site has a PR of 0, and as a result, many webmasters refuse to swap links with me despite my intense effort to promote the site.

Oh BTW, eBay has a PR of only 8. You'd think that a giant like eBay would have a perfect PR10....go figure!

DJ-Sound · 03-13-2005, 08:21 AM

pr is not compeltly useless, you should not focus on it and in googles last dance they took away more value that links have and gave more to on page content because of people scamming links, buying links just for pr, etc..

However search on some competitive keywords, a pr4 site won't get a top 10 ranking with a very competitive keyword, but a pr7 and higher authority sites will.

The wourst thing that happnens is webmasters work on getting links more than whats on page. Well if you site is not relevent on page to begin with all those links will do no good in getting higer ranking on google.

Zeeble · 03-13-2005, 12:20 PM

Google is crap, I have 5 links in google and over 5k in MSN and an further 4k in Yahoo.

majinbuu1023 · 03-13-2005, 10:51 PM

yup msn picks up my site really good(ly?)

sunken · 03-14-2005, 12:55 PM

Yeah, the MSN bot is one busy little beaver. Yahoo too. I get visited by G oogle more, but the results don't seem to wind up in their listings consistently which I find odd. Somebody typed in celebrity painted portrait and I was like number 6 out of 72,000 in Yahoo. Felt pretty good at that. I get more referrals from yahoo and MSN than I do from G.

01-29-2005, 01:43 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
sunken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,279	I don't get Google PR... I just don't get how it figures it out and whether it really means anything in the end. I get about 50-100 uniques per day to the Manor and it's getting better connected as I've been promoting it fairly heavy. It got wasted in the last PR update to 2, yet I see sites that have almost no backlinks at all (one I saw today was a PR3 with 5 links). How does that work? __________________ juegos juegos \| Your Hotel in Austria psicologo valencia

01-29-2005, 10:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
webuyhosts NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 321	lol agreed, google PR is all hype, they have taugh people to beleive in a ghost, what does it bring you at the end????????? 0 , i know people that have 500k people a day and a PR of 3 lol and people say it aint worth much? get out of here , traffic is king and PR is a joke, it will never hold value as traffic and income does, people say i own a PR site that gets 500 uniques a day and makes 75 bucks per month, holly shit arent you special google has blinded you, whats it worth? Income baby - thats all and thats all it will ever amount too, so all you PR lovers, quit getting suckered into buying links and saying to your buddy , my site has value becasue we are PR 6 WHO CARES just my 2 cents __________________ Anyways more free hosts and freephpbb comign soon !! CAN YOU DIG IT!!!!!!!!

01-30-2005, 12:33 AM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
sunken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,279	All good advice. Thanks... __________________ juegos juegos \| Your Hotel in Austria psicologo valencia

01-30-2005, 12:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
trishan NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Melbourne Posts: 762	Still for sites over PR5 i think it is a good indicator... __________________ Online Marketing Melbourne \| JumperPunch \| FootyBook

01-30-2005, 03:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,316	And don't forget, Google doesn't show all/any of the backlinks when you search link:yoururl.com for example. -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

01-29-2005, 02:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
jstep www.SportsConvo.com Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,623	Dont trust google pr, just work on your placement

01-29-2005, 07:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
hotrod12 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,149	Yeah I know its stupid but dont trust it their data is completely wrong.

01-30-2005, 05:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
ZuraX Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pennsylvania USA Posts: 2,684	Remember if a PR 5 links to a PR 3 thats not related in content then Google will punish the PR 5. The site you link to and the sites that link to you need to be close to the same topic. __________________ Been a NP member for 5 or more years? PM me to join the Social Group!

01-30-2005, 05:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
jeter4982 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: CT, USA Posts: 3,299	Ya, PR is pretty much a joke. However, if it is real high, a 9 or 10, I think it does have some meaning. If you are able to get it up that high, then your site has to have a lot of links, and therefore be popular. Other than that, I think its kind of like a trophy, something fun to have, but not necessary.

01-30-2005, 06:33 PM	THREAD STARTER #11 (permalink)
sunken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,279	I probably sounded like I worried about it more than I do. I just couldn't figure out how they come to these conclusions. I realize traffic is the key, and selling the right thing to that traffic, something I'm finding out I'm not very good at. I would love to figure out how all this money is made with websites, but so far that train has alluded me. But I keep trying... __________________ juegos juegos \| Your Hotel in Austria psicologo valencia

01-30-2005, 06:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,316	At the same time, it can be another clue if someone claims hundreds of thousands of uniques but they have a PR1, you might think twice (or three times, baby). -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

01-30-2005, 09:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
identity_00 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 1,212	PR has nothing to do with traffic or income. It is calculated by incoming links pointing to your site. PR is important when working with search engine optimization, however. Google gives your site more value and better ranking when a higher PR site links to your site. You have to know how to use the right keywords and such when creating links, however. Today, Google is not updating their PR as much and trying to keep it more of a secret to stop the purchasing of links.

01-31-2005, 03:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
hotrod12 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,149	You can try using this website to check how many people and search engines link to your website http://www.widexl.com/remote/link-popularity/index.html

01-31-2005, 03:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
ZuraX Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pennsylvania USA Posts: 2,684	Nice little script there... __________________ Been a NP member for 5 or more years? PM me to join the Social Group!

01-31-2005, 08:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,316	Nice script. PR, nice as an indicater, no intrinsic value. Still, very worthwhile as a benchmark of how your site's promo is going. -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

03-05-2005, 04:43 PM	THREAD STARTER #18 (permalink)
sunken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,279	Sorry for the belated reply. This thread got lost in the shuffle. I got 1255 when I tried that tool, pretty good I think, but those are mostly from forum signature posts I think. The downtime we had moving servers really took a chunk out of the traffic for the Manor, but I am trying to get it back up again with some new features. __________________ juegos juegos \| Your Hotel in Austria psicologo valencia

03-05-2005, 07:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
majinbuu1023 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,746	from what I have just read pagerank does sound stupid lol... my site kwacker.com has 0 pagerank __________________ WowHumor.net - Funny World of Warcraft Pictures

03-05-2005, 09:12 PM	THREAD STARTER #20 (permalink)
sunken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,279	You just put it up the other day didn't you? Google only updates their page rank once in awhile, so it will probably be 2 or higher by the next one if you take this time to get links and stuff. I agree with Allen, to put some content on the site rather than just ads. __________________ juegos juegos \| Your Hotel in Austria psicologo valencia

03-13-2005, 02:18 AM	#21 (permalink)
weblaunch NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 566	Unfortunately, people put too much emphasis on PR when swapping links. My new site has a PR of 0, and as a result, many webmasters refuse to swap links with me despite my intense effort to promote the site. Oh BTW, eBay has a PR of only 8. You'd think that a giant like eBay would have a perfect PR10....go figure! __________________ Increase Website Traffic Free Search Engine Submission - Make money blogging - AAA Web Directory Website Submission - LavaSeek Web Directory

03-13-2005, 08:21 AM	#22 (permalink)
DJ-Sound Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,812	pr is not compeltly useless, you should not focus on it and in googles last dance they took away more value that links have and gave more to on page content because of people scamming links, buying links just for pr, etc.. However search on some competitive keywords, a pr4 site won't get a top 10 ranking with a very competitive keyword, but a pr7 and higher authority sites will. The wourst thing that happnens is webmasters work on getting links more than whats on page. Well if you site is not relevent on page to begin with all those links will do no good in getting higer ranking on google.

03-13-2005, 12:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
Zeeble New.Net Destroyer.... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,947	Google is crap, I have 5 links in google and over 5k in MSN and an further 4k in Yahoo. __________________ â€œIt is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.â€ - Adam Smith

03-13-2005, 10:51 PM	#24 (permalink)
majinbuu1023 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,746	yup msn picks up my site really good(ly?) __________________ WowHumor.net - Funny World of Warcraft Pictures

03-14-2005, 12:55 PM	THREAD STARTER #25 (permalink)
sunken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,279	Yeah, the MSN bot is one busy little beaver. Yahoo too. I get visited by G oogle more, but the results don't seem to wind up in their listings consistently which I find odd. Somebody typed in celebrity painted portrait and I was like number 6 out of 72,000 in Yahoo. Felt pretty good at that. I get more referrals from yahoo and MSN than I do from G. __________________ juegos juegos \| Your Hotel in Austria psicologo valencia

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I don't get Google PR...

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