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labrocca

Obama ain't even in office yet and the tax hike fans are already looking to get their bills ready. Get ready to be taxed everyone....the Dems are in power now.

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kemjika11

At the end of the day, you're gonna get what you pay for. The less you pay, the more excuses you'll have to take for when things mess up...

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Sorry to be the first one to inform you about financial reality, but you can't spend what you don't have. Lets look at the trend, shall we? Below we have the past 4 presidents (excluding the president-elect) followed by what they claimed before being elected as well as the actual results.
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Ronald Reagan - "fiscal conservative" - deficit
George H.W. Bush - "fiscal conservative" - deficit
Bill Clinton - "Tax & Spend Liberal" - surplus
Al Gore - "Tax & Spend Liberal" - Who knows what may have been?
George W. Bush - "Fiscal Conservative" - deficit*

*the first $1T, $2T, and $3T budgets all came under G.W.B.

Now that you're up to speed on the past 20 years, how do you suppose we pay for the bailout? I don't want to pay an increased amount of taxes either, I want to see Washington spend responsibly. However, you cant enjoy tax cut after tax cut after tax cut while increasing spending year after year. The budget can't double every other year, my friend. Don't blame the party that is trying to fix our budget (remember the surpluses?). Blame the party that spent the next 6 generations into debt.

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labrocca

Ugh...so good. Let's raise taxes more and more and more then. It's good for us right?

Not sure why you take offense to my post.

Democrats gain power...they raise taxes. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Because really that's all I inferred.

You obviously aren't aware that I voted for Obama as well.

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kemjika11

No the issue is that taxes are being looked at in a very myopic way. Just because you raise taxes doesn't mean all hell is breaking loose or the economy will do bad. Bush "lowered" taxes, and we're in a recession, so just because you lower or raise taxes doesn't necessarily mean things are doomed or going to be great. Presence or absence of Taxes, combined with other things, like peace, people getting more educated, etc probably has more of an effect on our economy. Everytime a GOP presidential candidate starts the campaign it always begins with ..........."they'll raise your taxes"...these scare tactics that simple minded people fall for. Thats why Obama won, because alot of Americans have seen that just because someone lowers your taxes doesn't mean everything is all gravy. Once again, you get what you pay for. With govt, its probably more inefficient, so you probably get less than what you paid for, but if you didn't pay anything, you get 0! Lets understand that.

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Yes Bush lowered taxes, but we face a massive deficit.

The root cause of this is massive spending on the US world army that occupies 130 nations and continues to land grab and take control of resources.

So as long as any tax is apportioned, it is legal.

Taxes are essential - and America needs some massive restructuring of its tax system.
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Rather than paying to bomb innocents on the other side of the world, we would best to be taking care of affairs in our nation - (create health care at least in the world top 20, create food banks, etc...)

Eventually it becomes pretty obvious that those pulling the strings (most of them) do no want to end world hunger and give fair health care to us (more than enough resources to do it tomorrow) but rather keep us impoverished, divided and conquered, dumbed down, distracted, entertained, (and bombed if you are unlucky enough to reside in a country in the warpath of the current agenda -likely your county contains a valuable resource like natural gas)

So, yes, the tax system is extremely flawed now. People pay a voluntary income tax to the privately owned central banks bully the IRS totaling almost 900 billion annually while the people really supposed to pay income taxes are paying less than 300 billion (This being people who make a profit from corporate gains)

Much of Germany loved Hitler

Much of the US loves Obama


History tends to repeat itself.



Until Obama is anti-bailout, anti-patriot act, anti-phone drug war, pro net neutrality, pro national sovereignty, pro sound economy - do not be fooled by this wolf in sheep's clothing - he is not working for us - he is working for the bankers.



As far as the net sales tax goes - I agree with those who support a net sales tax to be accounted for and collected through the retail sales tax like many businesses already are doing.

Private transactions between two individuals should remain untaxed. You don't pay tax on a bedroom set, a computer or a motorcycle you buy at a garage sale right? This is the blurry gray region of Internet transactions. If companies who do a lot of business online continue to collect retail tax like many are doing - while those companies who are developing a larger online presence also collect retail tax as if it were an ins-tore transaction - this would be a sensible way to keep the most people happy and the tax laws constitutional.

maxeaus

Dose not surprise me at all. Government cannot stand the fact people are escaping paying a tax on anything. In NSW Australia where i live, the state government have thrown the state into recession by complete negligence and bad management.

If you drive a car in Sydney NSW you now need a electronic pass to travel on certain roads, topped up by a credit card (of course!). Toll roads are everywhere, no cash is accepted, if you dont have a pass you must recieve the toll in the mail, with a $12 fee on top of the $3 or $4 toll!

They now want to use these passes to allow people to travel in "fast lanes", where you are billed per kilometre for the privelige. It's a complete JOKE.

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Compassion

Yeah forget Tesla technology or alternative fuel sources like vegetable oil that could reduce the amount of dependence on obsolete technologies, repair the environment and require less bureaucracy - and therefore - less tax on the transportation industry - That would be too sensible.

(Would this eat into profits for the oil industry? Is this the root cause? The oil giants not wanting to relinquish massive profits?)
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As I said before and I'll say again - I have no problem with taxes so long as they are apportioned.

There should be some,

you know,

ethical reasons considered too,

but ethical and oil companies are hardly two things to be uttered in the same sentence unless you add an "un"

maxeaus

Well this is the problem, the state government have neglected and run down public transport and infastructure for years, so everyone relies on their cars, so lets just tax the hell out of them! Even though no productive/environmental alternative is offered. NO VISION at all.

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On a positive note: In California we passed 52/48 a bill which will fund and create a bullet train from the Bay Area to San Diego.

Should be great, but it won't be done for about 20 years - about 20 years too late imo

GF

Actually, the reason Clinton didn't go spend-crazy was because he had a legitimately conservative Congress.

Bush and this Congress were conservative in name only - bastards spent money like drunken sailors.

- GF

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And now who is stuck paying their tab from their drunken frenzy?


......the people.