Practical

This is a thread regarding .Web which was proposed to Icann in 1995 and is expected to have an actual launch date sometime in the next year. What I will be doing here is posting both general and specific information about this TLD, the registrar, the history and anything else of relevance.

Most domainers don't know that .web is older than .info or .biz and created a huge controversy regarding how ICANN was being run. Eventually this led to lawsuits, congressional hearings and the overturning of ICANN's lameduck board.

For a brief but not very detailed history of web, please check out this wiki article. I will get more information posted when I find it.

If you feel the need to post something about .WEB please keep the discussion to .WEB or don't bother posting. You can be positive or negative about .web but please don't start yammering on about IDNs, ccTLDs, or other extensions. Please keep it relevant.

weblord

thanks for the headsup.

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Practical

Information regarding former .WEB registrants.

All data from original 2000 and earlier registrations remains intact at both IOD (webtld.com) and IANA's database. Whether the old registrations will be honored or not hasn't been determined. I believe it is IANA which makes the decision as how to process the existing database, or alternatively discard all former registrations and force a new sunrise period.

All this of course tentative on ICANN finally completing the .web application as promised. This was also promised in 2000 so my hopes are mixed.

Practical

This is a copy of a post by AKCampbell in a another thread.

According to this link 33.5% of the 22,491 pre-bookings were held by 20 people;

Presumably, if ICANN gave .web to another registry or gave it to IOD on the condition they wiped the pre-booking slate clean, there could still be auctions.

Linkin

I really hope they eventually get this. Thanks for the info.

Practical

Someone asked me to repost the Icann vs .Web flash movie. I will remind everyone that it is long and painful to watch, but sometimes amusing. Most importantly it can scare the pants off you regarding how dirty Icann has been in the past.

It is formally called the ICANN Movie. Either way, check it out if you have 10 minutes to kill. The one thing that amazes me is this references events from 10 years ago - that's how long it is taking to get .WEB introduced. Unbelievable!

http://www.paradigm.nu/icann/icannstage3.html

.h2o.

Thanks for starting this thread Used Again. I look forward to the coming events relating to .web. Personally I think .web will be second to .com.

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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/520676-web-tld-news-and-updates.html

The short & very easily memorable .WEB, like the highly brandable .TEL ... is quite intriguing, and will be interesting to both watch the progress -and- discuss all of its possible eventual pro's and con's here in this space, IMHO.
I would also strongly encourage those interested here in this thread to utilize the top-right #1 Namepros "Quick Search" feature (type in .WEB) for a thorough historical basis/reference, as well!

Here is the .WEB site: http://www.webtld.com

All the best,
-Jeff

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labrocca

I am looking to jump on the web bandwagon. I like the idea of development under the extension. Screw "speculation" and trying to resell. I just want some cool .web addy's to have sites on.

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Charley

My support as well.

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In your dreams maybe

HeyNow

Oh, I beg to differ. Back in 2000, when IOD was selling "registrations", IOD promised that the registrations would be honored when IOD's .WEB was included in the root. At that time, the 1 year registrations would commence.
So I would guess that it HAS been determined that IOD must honor those registrations to its customers. As far as ICANN's requirements for a "sunrise period", that's a separate issue between IOD and ICANN. In other words, IOD seems obligated to honor the promises made to its customers, no matter what restrictions ICANN puts on IOD.

plaggypig

I registered some .web domains with them donkeys years ago - I remember one of them, but I can't recall what the others were - does anybody know how I can contact IOD so that I can find out?

Practical

Once they get past this stage into something real they'll have all the contact info on the site. Basically it's a 3 man show until they become a "registrar". Then they'll have support staff etc. I have asked Chris to look up my records but he said it's just not possible at this point with trying to build a registry and find more capital.

IOD is pushing for holding old registrations but won't have an answer for a few months.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=520676

Here's a quote direct from IOD:
"It is our hope that existing registrations taken under the approval and direction of IANA will remain intact."

That is, IOD has no jurisdiction over whether the old database can be used or if a new process has to occur. Many of the shady ways of the late 90's registrars got them dragged into court. So if ICANN feels this should warrant a new database, then so be it.

Which strikes me as funny, ICANN getting to decide what's moral and legal. Ridiculous.

-Adam-

I agree this does have a lot of potential and hopefully it does not end up among the clouds of other extensions that are nothing more than to line the pockets of the registrar.

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HeyNow

Like I said, regardless of what restrictions ICANN puts on IOD, IOD still seems obligated to deal with promises (contracts) made with prior registrants. Chris's answer to you regarding old registrations should have been something along the lines of, IOD will make good on its promises to its customers, no matter what ICANN requires. If ICANN won't allow previous registrations to stand, then we will compensate those previous registrants market value (auction $ minus an industry-standard auction fee for IOD).

There are lots of IOD customers from 2000 waiting in the wings to see how this all pans out.

.h2o.

You also have to keep in mind that 35% of all those previous registrations were all registered by 20 people. Any company or organization cannot start accepting orders from customers until it can be confirmed that the product will actually come into existance! It is not until an official release date should that be happening.

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HeyNow

That's just not true. Consumers order all sorts of goods and services before they "come into existance", including cars, homes, legal services, clothes, etc. The reality is that IOD DID accept orders from customers. Each sale is a contract.

snoopinc

If .web becomes accepted, i will certainly buy some .web domains. For some reason .web feels much like .com

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Practical

I agree that IOD should honor its obligations regardless, but the question remains whether it can afford to. They are bowing to basically every ICANN demand, whether justly or unjustly, because they do not want to hold up this process for a minute longer (if that's even possible).

I have my own uber-premiums that I would hate to lose, but I would still rather see .web launch right now under any circumstances. If they don't they'll wind up being one of a few hundred .TLDs that will come into existence 2-4 years from now and whatever former registrants hold will be heavily diluted in value.

.h2o.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=520676
I understand that customers can "pre order" things like hot gadgets and movies. However those products do have a definite release date whether it be 6 months or 2 years from now. I don't have a problem with IOD taking orders early but IOD does not have the power to make an official tld themselves. They are being controlled by third parties and they themselves do not have an idea if/when there would ever be a .web. They are at the mercy of ICANN.

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npcomplete

well well well... I certainly have more than a few words to add to this thread. Unfortunately I am about to get on a plane so it will have to wait. I was involved in these lawsuits, and filed a deposition with the court at the request of IOD. Read below for more:

Just send me a PM with ONE domain. I downloaded the webtld zone files many years ago and have all the records. I have helped others "remember" what they registered years ago. Once I have ONE domain I can tell you the rest of your .web portfolio.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=520676

Needless to say, if the old registrations are not honored there will be lawsuits. This may complicate the release of .web, given injunctions etc...

I also have a list of major players in the past (I hold about 500 .web domains myself), and have been contacting them in the last year in preparation for "you know what".

PS: I started registering .web in 1996, so I have some incredible picks, hope they go into the root and are honored.

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Smile! In a few short years you will realize that these are the good old days!

.h2o.

I don't want to get flamed for saying this (and I probably will) but...save some fresh air for the newer generation you 96'ers. I'll make the assumption that you have amazing dot coms as well since you started that early.

In my eyes I see dot web as an extention that will lay out new land for Generation I - that's right the kids who never lived in a world without the Internet. Otherwise, what's the point. It's about time for a new quality extension - no .fm or .ws attepting to rebrand themselves as a generic purpose tld. We already have the "king" generic extension .com. If we wanted a long domain, we could easily get one for reg fee.

I looked at the webtld zone files and I could proudly say there is no blog.web you older folks.

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npcomplete

sigh... we old geezers are just going to have to be content with names like Computer.web, NewYork.web, God.web, and other dated phrases/words.

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Smile! In a few short years you will realize that these are the good old days!

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Why ?

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