Network Solutions + Unethical go hand and hand.

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 09:39 AM

Here's the latest. Try and do a search for some random available name on their site. Make up anything, dkfhgkjhd.com etc etc.

Now go to Moniker or another registrar and attempt to register it.

Name will say unavailable. Wonder why? Because netsol has decided they want to hold that name hostage and force you to reg it at their site for $34.99.

Talk about sneaky, shady, and underhanded.

My advice would be to steer clear of Network Solutions when searching for available names.

Wonder how many other registrars are going to follow the lead.

Yofie · 01-08-2008, 09:49 AM

Those crafty suckers!

Well just start typing at NetSol and checking random domains..... I'm sure they have to pay for the domain each time they "hold" one for you..

npcomplete · 01-08-2008, 09:49 AM

Wow. I just tried that using Fab and Netsol, and you are right!

Perhaps we should do an exhaustive search of all 63 character .com's.

People keep talking about the LLLL sellout. This would be the 63L sellout.

Very sleazy netsol, very sleazy.

Marc

RogueWriter · 01-08-2008, 10:04 AM

Maybe it is still in your shopping cart? Perhaps they are holding it for you while it is in there for a specific duration?

Brad|E · 01-08-2008, 10:13 AM

Edit: Nevermind. My mistake.

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 10:17 AM

lol, from another forum:

http://whois.domaintools.com/wearecybersquatters.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/we-laugh-at-icann.com

This could actually be pretty fun.

Alex · 01-08-2008, 10:22 AM

Just doing this

The LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLL.com countdown begins ! Lol

Originally Posted by npcomplete

Wow. I just tried that using Fab and Netsol, and you are right!

Perhaps we should do an exhaustive search of all 63 character .com's.

People keep talking about the LLLL sellout. This would be the 63L sellout.

Very sleazy netsol, very sleazy.

Marc

npcomplete · 01-08-2008, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Devil_Dog

lol, from another forum:

http://whois.domaintools.com/wearecybersquatters.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/we-laugh-at-icann.com

This could actually be pretty fun.

Totally agree on the fun part. Apparently "asdf9akafmasd9fgar.com" is taken by netsol too. If it is a shopping cart thing, I wonder when it times out. The whois says it is reserved until Jan 8, 2009

Marc

Steve · 01-08-2008, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by npcomplete

Wow. I just tried that using Fab and Netsol, and you are right!

Perhaps we should do an exhaustive search of all 63 character .com's.

People keep talking about the LLLL sellout. This would be the 63L sellout.

Very sleazy netsol, very sleazy.

Marc

Part of me wants to perform an exhaustive search of 63L domains in all their extensions...

I really don't like seeing this, though. I wonder how long they hold the domain...

Alex · 01-08-2008, 10:29 AM

NetSol owns some super end user greedy domains now like adsafdiarhehugtbdjhfjghfoigdusohtrbdkgfhdugf.com
nfghhdhgjhghggjfhgjhgjhdjhfjdghjfhghhghghg.com
alpondfdsnhdfshfudhfudshfdbvbdsb.com

How unethical. This is domain theft. Seriously, this is a very very big issue.

People only vehiculated whether whois searches are sold, and to whom, but this is a prime example when one of the biggest registrars in the world does this.

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by npcomplete

Totally agree on the fun part. Apparently "asdf9akafmasd9fgar.com" is taken by netsol too. If it is a shopping cart thing, I wonder when it times out. The whois says it is reserved until Jan 8, 2009

Marc

thinking they just use the 'domain tasting loophole' prvided by Icann and delete it after 3-4 days if it doesn't get regged.

Alex · 01-08-2008, 10:49 AM

And when you type in asdf9akafmasd9fgar.com they say:

This Domain is Available - Get it Now!

600,000 domain names are registered daily! Don't delay; there's no guarantee that a domain name you see today will still be here tomorrow!

Seabass · 01-08-2008, 10:49 AM

That is really, really scummy.

Network Solutions is famous for being scummy and underhanded.

It has been that way since the very early days of domaining.

Back in 96' they were putting a $30 surcharge per domain on each order, in which a judge found to be an "illegal tax" and therefore ruled the $30 charge had to be terminated. Go figure..... we never got our "illegal tax" money back from them which probably amounted to a six figure number for our company, all told. Domains after the ruling dropped from $100 a domain to $70 a domain and NetSol was the only game in town - so you had to buy from them still. Then BulkRegister came along to put them in check with $10 domains.

This company will not stop at anything. Absolutely ruthless and scummy. Only ICANN can stop this kinda' crap.

**Mark** · 01-08-2008, 10:49 AM

This is all over the web already (At least in our circles) - It will be a huge story IMO ..

Not the first time they have been called out in this way. Remember when all non-registered .com's were resolving to them ?

ulasbbtr · 01-08-2008, 10:50 AM

are they holding every searched name for one year?? this is quite funny, then why don't they hold every [5-255] character available names and let all the world beg them to reg a name...

Devil_Dog · 01-08-2008, 10:50 AM

http://www.domainnamenews.com/featur...-searches/1359

**Mark** · 01-08-2008, 10:55 AM

"Stickied" this thread for now

Maybe Industry News is more appropriate ?

Either way .... Not cool.

Joe · 01-08-2008, 10:58 AM

Not cool at all.
They are going to get so much aggro after this..
But surely this is costing them a lot of needless money? O_o

Maybe it's just me.
Joe

Edit:
Just did a reg in live chat: NameProsIsSimplyTheBestEver.com
Immediately registered. Sorry if anyone wanted this name.

**Spade** · 01-08-2008, 11:02 AM

Thats pretty unbelievable.... NSI - just pulling some unethical moves.

Seabass · 01-08-2008, 11:02 AM

Hey, you know what this means to some domainers???

Every time you see a domain in whois that says it can be registered at NetSol a domainer could go reg it and hold it until the original searcher comes back wanting it. Or, just keep it.

I think we ought to call this method of domaining, "Second-Tier Domain Squatting", or maybe, "Pre-Searched Domain Acquisitions".

Unless of course it is a generic domain, then all is cool, sort of....

Albert · 01-08-2008, 11:16 AM

If there is a script then can auto generate search at NetSol then I believe soon they can become the largest domain registrar in terms of domains registered, should there be any coder free enough to do such a script and make fun of them. LOL...

Phronesis · 01-08-2008, 11:21 AM

I just wonder if they're tasting any of these names for traffic and then keeping them if they don't get registered through their site within a certain timeframe. I guess it's technically not illegal but it sure is unethical business practice.

Originally Posted by CommunityZ

If there is a script then can auto generate search at NetSol then I believe soon they can become the largest domain registrar in terms of domains registered, should there be any coder free enough to do such a script and make fun of them. LOL...

Yeah, if it costs them the $0.25 ICANN fee to taste the name a creative coder could run up a nice bill for NSOL.

Steve · 01-08-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Phronesis

I just wonder if they're tasting any of these names for traffic and then keeping them if they don't get registered through their site within a certain timeframe. I guess it's technically not illegal but it sure is unethical business practice.

Yeah, if it costs them the $0.25 ICANN fee to taste the name a creative coder could run up a nice bill for NSOL.

That's probably part of the benefits, in addition to frontrunning.

As an industry, our best defense is to not support them and tell others not to support them because of their ethical practices. We're playing their unethical game by purposely exploiting their system.

Alex · 01-08-2008, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Phronesis

Yeah, if it costs them the $0.25 ICANN fee to taste the name a creative coder could run up a nice bill for NSOL.

It costs them nothing to taste.

Don · 01-08-2008, 11:51 AM

This is insane.

01-08-2008, 09:39 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Devil_Dog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: az Posts: 1,432 3,378.50 NP$ (Donate)	Network Solutions + Unethical go hand and hand. Here's the latest. Try and do a search for some random available name on their site. Make up anything, dkfhgkjhd.com etc etc. Now go to Moniker or another registrar and attempt to register it. Name will say unavailable. Wonder why? Because netsol has decided they want to hold that name hostage and force you to reg it at their site for $34.99. Talk about sneaky, shady, and underhanded. My advice would be to steer clear of Network Solutions when searching for available names. Wonder how many other registrars are going to follow the lead. __________________ .::: e-nic.com :::.- semperfidelis.com - stow.org - shopbooks.com - and more....

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Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,128 231.51 NP$ (Donate)	NetSol owns some super end user greedy domains now like adsafdiarhehugtbdjhfjghfoigdusohtrbdkgfhdugf.com nfghhdhgjhghggjfhgjhgjhdjhfjdghjfhghhghghg.com alpondfdsnhdfshfudhfudshfdbvbdsb.com How unethical. This is domain theft. Seriously, this is a very very big issue. People only vehiculated whether whois searches are sold, and to whom, but this is a prime example when one of the biggest registrars in the world does this. __________________ Lake Titicaca Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

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Alex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oradea Posts: 3,128 231.51 NP$ (Donate)	And when you type in asdf9akafmasd9fgar.com they say: This Domain is Available - Get it Now! 600,000 domain names are registered daily! Don't delay; there's no guarantee that a domain name you see today will still be here tomorrow! __________________ Lake Titicaca Neuschwanstein Castle Sedlec Ossuary

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Seabass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,259 26.00 NP$ (Donate)	That is really, really scummy. Network Solutions is famous for being scummy and underhanded. It has been that way since the very early days of domaining. Back in 96' they were putting a $30 surcharge per domain on each order, in which a judge found to be an "illegal tax" and therefore ruled the $30 charge had to be terminated. Go figure..... we never got our "illegal tax" money back from them which probably amounted to a six figure number for our company, all told. Domains after the ruling dropped from $100 a domain to $70 a domain and NetSol was the only game in town - so you had to buy from them still. Then BulkRegister came along to put them in check with $10 domains. This company will not stop at anything. Absolutely ruthless and scummy. Only ICANN can stop this kinda' crap.

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Mark Unga Bunga ... Member Services Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 9,978 2,152.95 NP$ (Donate)	This is all over the web already (At least in our circles) - It will be a huge story IMO .. Not the first time they have been called out in this way. Remember when all non-registered .com's were resolving to them ?

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ulasbbtr NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 283 38.00 NP$ (Donate)	are they holding every searched name for one year?? this is quite funny, then why don't they hold every [5-255] character available names and let all the world beg them to reg a name... __________________ enlargement.pro - advertisement.pro - select.pro -

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Mark Unga Bunga ... Member Services Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 9,978 2,152.95 NP$ (Donate)	"Stickied" this thread for now Maybe Industry News is more appropriate ? Either way .... Not cool.

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Joe Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kent ~ U.K. Posts: 3,239 138.85 NP$ (Donate)	Not cool at all. They are going to get so much aggro after this.. But surely this is costing them a lot of needless money? O_o Maybe it's just me. Joe Edit: Just did a reg in live chat: NameProsIsSimplyTheBestEver.com Immediately registered. Sorry if anyone wanted this name. __________________ Myself and "JackHeskett" are no longer associated with FusedHosting.net. Please pipe all PMs to admin [at] fusedhosting.net. Last edited by TheArbiter; 01-08-2008 at 11:03 AM.

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Seabass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,259 26.00 NP$ (Donate)	Hey, you know what this means to some domainers??? Every time you see a domain in whois that says it can be registered at NetSol a domainer could go reg it and hold it until the original searcher comes back wanting it. Or, just keep it. I think we ought to call this method of domaining, "Second-Tier Domain Squatting", or maybe, "Pre-Searched Domain Acquisitions". Unless of course it is a generic domain, then all is cool, sort of....

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