ICANN tells RegisterFly to conform or else....

fonzie_007 · 02-22-2007, 10:30 AM

See here: http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...ch-21feb07.pdf

fonzie_007 · 02-22-2007, 10:32 AM

FYI: http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...ch-21feb07.pdf

Could this mean better customer service or the downfall of RF?

Spade · 02-22-2007, 10:43 AM

Its about time. I really feel sorry for anyone caught in this mess, I was fortunate enough to have never spent a dime there.

rank1 · 02-22-2007, 10:47 AM

At least... ICANN, do you hear me?! Kill those idiots, i plead you guys, but let me transfer my domains...

fonzie_007 · 02-22-2007, 10:52 AM

I'm just curious what is going to happen to all of the domains registered at RF if RF bites the dust.

jmcc · 02-22-2007, 11:01 AM

Looks like the end for Registerfly. Nice the way ICANN pointed to an independent reason for termination as if the others weren't bad enough.

Regards...jmcc

Jeffrey · 02-22-2007, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by domainspade

Its about time. I really feel sorry for anyone caught in this mess, I was fortunate enough to have never spent a dime there.

Same here, thank God. Their prices and addons are tempting.

Lasher · 02-22-2007, 11:45 AM

The thing I just don't get is how RF got so big in the first place. All I've ever heard about them is complaint after complaint, what did they offer to be holding so much business / so many domains?

As for the ICANN letter, if they were really taking multi-year renewal money from their customers but only renewing with the registry for 1 year, someone needs to go to jail.

PC Medic · 02-22-2007, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by fonzie_007

I'm just curious what is going to happen to all of the domains registered at RF if RF bites the dust.

Same concerns here so decided to try to transfer them to a new registrar. No luck getting mine out yet as they get the dreaded 'clientUpdateProhibited, clientTransferProhibited' message and am told to contact my current registrar (Registerfly). Yeah right, I have two week old unanswered trouble tickets with them already and no luck reaching anyone by phone after hours on hold.

***mis_chiff*** · 02-22-2007, 11:48 AM

So what happens to the domains that I have
there, that were not included in the Enom transfers?
There is only 2 I really want, but I am scared to initiate
a transfer ( obvious reasons )
So when they crash and burn, what happens?
Should I just hold on and go for the ride?

***mis_chiff*** · 02-22-2007, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Lasher

The thing I just don't get is how RF got so big in the first place.

Well, .60 .info's might have done it! They were big promo's

AzN · 02-22-2007, 12:18 PM

Man...I tried initiating transfers.
They keep saying transfer fail when I try to approve.

So....wondering...I click decline transfer to Moniker.
And it still says Transfer fail...

Assuming that the system failed when even decline an outgoing transfer shows their server is very unprofessional.

abdussamad · 02-22-2007, 12:39 PM

Its interesting to see how ICANN finally gets serious. I think its because regfly owes them money and the recent slashdotting has brought some serious attention on the issue.

owntype · 02-22-2007, 12:57 PM

RF deserves this

Sam · 02-22-2007, 01:13 PM

clebracion time

PC Medic · 02-22-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by owntype

RF deserves this

Perhaps...but the domain owners don't

Carlton · 02-22-2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by abdussamad

Its interesting to see how ICANN finally gets serious. I think its because regfly owes them money ...

Bingo!

Originally Posted by ICANN

Registerfly has a substantial outstanding balance to ICANN that it has failed to pay.

As you stated. I'm glad to see ICANN take action. Their letter outlining RegFly's violations was very comprehensive. Someone did nice research. RegFly used to be a decent company. They deteriorated dramatically ... and any company performing that poorly must be shut down.

DJ · 02-22-2007, 02:42 PM

2 other articles on the same subject :

http://www.internetcommerceassociati...fly_under_fire
http://www.internetcommerceassociati...mdedial_action

fonzie_007 · 02-22-2007, 03:24 PM

I was told from a Moniker rep that all RF domains are locked down tight from the registry due to litigation. Apparently no one can transfer any domain out of RF right now. Anyone looking to transfer out will need to wait for another 15 days to see what happens with ICANN.

In case people haven't read them yet, the two links posted above by DJ are very informative.

Robert Allen · 02-22-2007, 03:42 PM

I have www.pcwebtalk.info registered and parked at registerfly - there DNS appears to been hacked.

From what i have read, they have no support, you cant change any domain information, they SSL certificate is out of date, and i have 3 domains basically held hostage.

1. Dns hacked
2. SSL out of date
3. According to another post; no support for 2 weeks
4. According to report; billing system is poor
5. According to report; not renewing domains correctly
6. Reputation is going down the drain...

Rob

Skinny · 02-22-2007, 03:55 PM

Good thing I never registered there.

Heard a lot of bad things.

Skinny

bliss · 02-22-2007, 05:17 PM

Reading over the pdf. They started getting complaints in late Dec of 2005. No records of the number of domains lost between Dec 2005~Dec 2006 was gave in the pdf, but does state that 75,000 domain registrations were lost in the month of January of 2007 by itself. That a huge amount of complaints of various issues with RF, charge backs resulting in locked accounts, whois information being changed, registrations going unregistered, not following the proper transfer procedures, switch the registar from ENom to themselves in a malice way (indicated it as a renewal), renewal for multiple years only renewed for 1 year instead and the list goes on. During this 10 month period, ICANN did nothing but tell RF to shape up and to change. Month after month went by with ICANN doing the same thing and RF throwing more promises out, but continuing to do malice to its customers. To a certain extend RF did try some things, but failed when they did try them.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/297390-icann-tells-registerfly-to-conform-else.html

I did notice something that was a concern to me. The change back/fraud unit was paid on commission. I suspect that a lot of head turning the other way and not really looked into disputes went on, because of this. It is a terrible way to run that part of the operation.

Something that I noticed in the pdf is that it was not until RF did not pay the ICANN fee's on 10 Oct 2006 that ICANN really started to get onto them. Owing ICANN fee's in excess of $130,000, promising to pay and then being late on paying, then finally wiring $70,000 and then $59,000 on or around Dec 4, 2006. Still owing just below $6,000 to ICANN. That is about the time you start to see ICANN sending out emails to RF asking for records, asking for various other things.

I did not notice anything in the pdf saying ICANN warned of Termination over complaints, lost registrations, non professional record keepings and many more issues. I did see the warning over termination over just the money not paid. Personally I believe if RF paid its fees in a timely manner ICANN would not have sent out the termination letter. It would be still only waving its finger at RF and RF would still be promising to change.

//end rant.

**Dave Zan** · 02-22-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by fonzie_007

I was told from a Moniker rep that all RF domains are locked down tight from the registry due to litigation. Apparently no one can transfer any domain out of RF right now. Anyone looking to transfer out will need to wait for another 15 days to see what happens with ICANN.

You sure that Moniker rep said it's the Registry and not the registrar? I'm just
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=297390
making sure, that's all.

fab · 02-22-2007, 06:16 PM

Let's see. I still have a few domains with them

fonzie_007 · 02-22-2007, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Zan

You sure that Moniker rep said it's the Registry and not the registrar? I'm just
making sure, that's all.

That is what I was told. I had the same question myself.

RF is going through other issues right now where an inside person (one of the owners of the company) locked all of the employees out of RF's system. The RF rep said RF employees still can't get EPP codes on many domains becaus the server has been locked down. It sounds like all hell has broken loose at RF.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=297390

Worth a read: http://registerflies.com/official-st...gisterfly.html

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02-22-2007, 10:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
Spade NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 7,848	Its about time. I really feel sorry for anyone caught in this mess, I was fortunate enough to have never spent a dime there. __________________ Read my Blog! NameBio.com - Search The Domain Sales Index Buying LLLL.com's ending in "CA"

02-22-2007, 10:52 AM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
fonzie_007 NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: LLL.us City Posts: 6,328	I'm just curious what is going to happen to all of the domains registered at RF if RF bites the dust. __________________ Feeling achy? · ACL Injury Information · Indian Recipes

02-22-2007, 12:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
AzN is on hiatus Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,449	Man...I tried initiating transfers. They keep saying transfer fail when I try to approve. So....wondering...I click decline transfer to Moniker. And it still says Transfer fail... Assuming that the system failed when even decline an outgoing transfer shows their server is very unprofessional. __________________ Currently on hiatus. Back whenever.

02-22-2007, 10:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
rank1 Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Black Diamond, WA Posts: 31	At least... ICANN, do you hear me?! Kill those idiots, i plead you guys, but let me transfer my domains...

02-22-2007, 11:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
jmcc NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 696 Follow @JMcCormac	Looks like the end for Registerfly. Nice the way ICANN pointed to an independent reason for termination as if the others weren't bad enough. Regards...jmcc

02-22-2007, 11:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Lasher Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,223	The thing I just don't get is how RF got so big in the first place. All I've ever heard about them is complaint after complaint, what did they offer to be holding so much business / so many domains? As for the ICANN letter, if they were really taking multi-year renewal money from their customers but only renewing with the registry for 1 year, someone needs to go to jail.

02-22-2007, 11:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
*mis_chiff* goof free! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,364 Follow @mis_chiff	So what happens to the domains that I have there, that were not included in the Enom transfers? There is only 2 I really want, but I am scared to initiate a transfer ( obvious reasons ) So when they crash and burn, what happens? Should I just hold on and go for the ride?

02-22-2007, 12:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
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fonzie_007 NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: LLL.us City Posts: 6,328	I was told from a Moniker rep that all RF domains are locked down tight from the registry due to litigation. Apparently no one can transfer any domain out of RF right now. Anyone looking to transfer out will need to wait for another 15 days to see what happens with ICANN. In case people haven't read them yet, the two links posted above by DJ are very informative. __________________ Feeling achy? · ACL Injury Information · Indian Recipes

02-22-2007, 03:42 PM	#20 (permalink)
Robert Allen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 1,531	I have www.pcwebtalk.info registered and parked at registerfly - there DNS appears to been hacked. From what i have read, they have no support, you cant change any domain information, they SSL certificate is out of date, and i have 3 domains basically held hostage. 1. Dns hacked 2. SSL out of date 3. According to another post; no support for 2 weeks 4. According to report; billing system is poor 5. According to report; not renewing domains correctly 6. Reputation is going down the drain... Rob __________________ Great Directory \| Global Web Links Directory Visit the above and submit your link into the directory.

02-22-2007, 03:55 PM	#21 (permalink)
Skinny Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,255	Good thing I never registered there. Heard a lot of bad things. Skinny

02-22-2007, 05:17 PM	#22 (permalink)
bliss NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 950	Reading over the pdf. They started getting complaints in late Dec of 2005. No records of the number of domains lost between Dec 2005~Dec 2006 was gave in the pdf, but does state that 75,000 domain registrations were lost in the month of January of 2007 by itself. That a huge amount of complaints of various issues with RF, charge backs resulting in locked accounts, whois information being changed, registrations going unregistered, not following the proper transfer procedures, switch the registar from ENom to themselves in a malice way (indicated it as a renewal), renewal for multiple years only renewed for 1 year instead and the list goes on. During this 10 month period, ICANN did nothing but tell RF to shape up and to change. Month after month went by with ICANN doing the same thing and RF throwing more promises out, but continuing to do malice to its customers. To a certain extend RF did try some things, but failed when they did try them. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/297390-icann-tells-registerfly-to-conform-else.html I did notice something that was a concern to me. The change back/fraud unit was paid on commission. I suspect that a lot of head turning the other way and not really looked into disputes went on, because of this. It is a terrible way to run that part of the operation. Something that I noticed in the pdf is that it was not until RF did not pay the ICANN fee's on 10 Oct 2006 that ICANN really started to get onto them. Owing ICANN fee's in excess of $130,000, promising to pay and then being late on paying, then finally wiring $70,000 and then $59,000 on or around Dec 4, 2006. Still owing just below $6,000 to ICANN. That is about the time you start to see ICANN sending out emails to RF asking for records, asking for various other things. I did not notice anything in the pdf saying ICANN warned of Termination over complaints, lost registrations, non professional record keepings and many more issues. I did see the warning over termination over just the money not paid. Personally I believe if RF paid its fees in a timely manner ICANN would not have sent out the termination letter. It would be still only waving its finger at RF and RF would still be promising to change. //end rant. Last edited by bliss; 02-22-2007 at 05:33 PM.

02-22-2007, 06:16 PM	#24 (permalink)
fab Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,832	Let's see. I still have a few domains with them

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