binaryman

Just have a look at this list of official EURID appointed .EU registrars. In the past 1 to 2 weeks some 400 United States registrars have been added. A whole lot of them are in Bellevue, Vancouver, New York, Portland and some other states. They all all have the same telephone number.None have a link to a website. http://list.eurid.eu/registrars/List...rs.htm?lang=en

HMMMMMMM I think our chances of getting a .EU name are diminishing more and more.

I think this needs to be questioned and if nessecary exposed.

zehrila

I observed it few 2 days ago and yea they must be aka POOL or SNAPNAMES

binaryman

I have sent the following e-mail to EURID

Dear sir/madam
It is with high concern that I observed that in the past 2 weeks suddenly at least 400 USA based registrars for .eu domains have been added to your official registrar list. What is also of major concern is that whole lists of them come from the same area and have the same telephone numbers and addresses. Also not one has a link to a site. What is happening here??? Are we individuals being conned here?? Are these legitimate registrars??? I get the feeling here is a big scam going on and I fear the small individual who wants to get a few names is going to be the dupe.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/179776-something-bad-is-happening-her.html

Ps. I have posted this on the NAMEPROS board voicing my concern
Please feel free to explain the situation there.
Regards
Fred

sdsinc

If it turns out to be true it is ethically questionable but don't forget that the backordering game relies on multiple registrar accreditations... dubious but not necessarily illegal...

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Matt1337

so you dont want americans to have .eu but you all can have our extensions?

lol

binaryman

I,m afraid you forgot that us Europeans are not allowed to have .US extensions.
Anyway that,s not the point. For my part you can have as many .EU names as you want. That,s only good for business. What I am on about here is that it looks like(perhaps it is not so) that some unscrupelous character is setting himself up as a multitude of different registrars to enable himself to get as many .eu names for himself as possible.

fixxation

Matt- what do you mean by "all our extensions" - are you saying com, net, etc are automatically assumed to be American extensions?

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Matt1337

i dident say "all out extensions"

i said "you all"

kthx

Vegas Entertainment

I see your from, Holland, so is my mother, her last name Elders, before she married.
If you want any.us name you can PM me and i will help you get it, it will be your name but you can use my corp. If you PM me ill let you know more. Im also looking for someone to help me get a few.eu`s

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binaryman

Eurid replied to my concerns in the following message

Dear Sir,

As you have seen on our website, we do have registrars from all over Europe and many other countries including the US. All accredited registrars shown in our list are separate companies who all have separate agreements with EURid.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=179776

If two or more registrars choose to cooperate it is nothing that EURid can have an opinion about. There are for instance already many European registrars with subsidiaries in more than one country for which each local office is an accredited registrar with EURid.

EURid's concern is that all accredited .eu registrar should be able to help its customers in a good way and be following the EC regulations and the registrar agreement regardless of which country they are from.

Kind regards,

The EURid team

maximum

May still sound like they could do more to assure nothing fishy is going on with all these "hiding" registrars (or "subsidiaries" thereof). But, to be honest, its hard to argue with the answer they gave

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gingeman

First off, great post binaryman. This smells very bad to me. I would wager Eurid are profiting in some way from allowing this sort of behaviour, maybe taking $$ from whoever is behind it all. Their response is, very general and deflecting the specific issue you have brought to their attention. What are the criteria that need to be met to become a .eu registrar? This seems very disheartening...

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seeker

EUrid's reply shows the registry's immatureness and single minded approach.
They basically said, 'tough luck, anyone can do what they like'...

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lambda

EURid comments on the issue of generic domain names
04 Apr 2006

EURid has been approached by a number of people objecting to the granting of domain names for generic names, which have been applied for (and accepted) during Sunrise.


First of all we would like to point out that when referring to trademarks or other intellectual property rights, there is no such thing as a “generic” name. So-called generic names are often well known trademarks or are protected by other intellectual property rights eg. “apple”, “die welt” and “time” to name just a few.


EURid is obliged to adhere to and implement the Public Policy Rules for .eu names, as decided upon by the member states and the European Commission in the regulation EC 874/2004, which give holders of prior rights a possibility to register .eu domain names during the Sunrise phase before .eu is opened for general registration. Holders of trademarks are one clearly defined group that is eligible to apply during Sunrise. This group, of course, also includes holders of so-called generic trademarks.


EURid cannot comment on the effectiveness of the trademark laws and the work of the trademark offices in Europe, nor can we remark on the EC regulation which the member states had the opportunity to comment on.


Therefore, if someone first in line for a domain name can present sufficient documentation proving that they have a prior right for that name, for instance a trademark or a company name, the name will be granted to them.


It has been suggested that the Sunrise rules should have included a cut off date so that trademarks, for instance, needed to be registered before a certain date to be a valid prior right for a Sunrise application. During the preparatory work, extensive consultations between EURid, the validation agent for the phased registration period (PricewaterhouseCoopers, PwC), and the intellectual property community took place, in which all aspects of the sunrise rules were discussed, including the implementation of a “registration cut off date” for accepting registered trademarks.


There was a consensus not to accept such a limitation, not only because there is no support for it in the PPR (Public Policy Rules,) but also because it would disadvantage new companies or new initiatives within existing companies. That this would allow some people to register “popular” or “generic” names was considered a minor problem since the requested domain names would still need to be protected by an intellectual property right and the main objective of the Sunrise period i.e. to protect those with a prior right, would certainly be achieved.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=179776


However, should anyone want to dispute that a certain person or organisation is the legitimate holder of a so-called generic domain name; there is always the possibility of an ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution).


A Sunrise WHOIS database, showing all applications as well as information about the applicants, is available guaranteeing full transparency to the applicant and the general public.


The Sunrise rules and the implementation of the TLD .eu give equal opportunities to everyone within the limits of the EC regulation.

Xyzer

I dont think this should be allowed if it is going to be a domain for europe, its nothing to do with the us!!

picobello

For those who love the .eu, I am selling a fast bulk .eu checker php script
Look the following thread:
http://www.namepros.com/for-sale-adv...ready-end.html

Genialnames

I am th eopinion that this geographic restriction about TLDS is unecessary and should be removed...
Also I found that the prices are very varing from where a domain is purchased.
For istance a.it here in Italy you can register at 7-10 eur, at domainsite it cost 99us$ , mostly the same is for the .eu .be and so forth.
I think a cool business could be to estabilish a trusted net of domainers who live in various countries and allow other members to purchase foreign TDLs at local prices.
My 3.5 cents.

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binaryman

Was'nt this issue that Bob Parsons is now bringing up exactly the same as what I brought up here some 3 weeks ago already?
We should have acted then. I wrote to eurid and their processing agents and those letters with their replies are in this thread somewhere.

WhiteWebServices

Too late now, though; as far as I can tell, these phantom registrars didn't break any rules. The rules should have been set up differently, but you can't go back and change them after the fact.

Or am I missing something?

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http://www.bobparsons.com/EULandrushFiasco.html

Bob Parsons of GoDaddy saw this happening too. Link courtesy of wot in main forum.

Robert Allen

arrogent, european company... It should be european only for obvious reasons. .us is generic, not cc...

SimpleDomaining

i dont see any problem here. who is stronger and smarter is getting the bonus as usually. if somebody own 50 different companies under one phone number, but legally they are separate companies, what can you do? Nothing, just write letters.

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Sir Regalot

If a property agent kept all the best deal for himself and only allow the public to buy the junk you wouldn't go near him or her. If an auction house bought all the best bargains for themselves and later sold them off at a higher price you would not go near them. If a stockbroker kept all the best deals and only allowed you to buy the loss making shares you wouldn't go near him or her. Yet, registrars are allowed to take all the good names usually with the expectation of selling them at a massive profit later. One registrar took net.eu, org.eu and info. eu. Many registrar's don't even bother selling to the public and register all the good names for themselves. There should have been a rule that registrars can only sell to the public and if they buy names for themselves they will be struck off Eurid's list. This rule would have avoided so many problems and brought the issuing of domain names up to modern standards of
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good corporate practice.



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