In Canada: Cache a page, go to jail?

slaughterbeck · 07-19-2005, 04:16 AM

A bill before Canada's Parliament could make it illegal for search engines to cache Web pages, critics say, opening the door to unwarranted lawsuits and potentially hindering public access to information.

The legislation in question, Bill C-60, is designed to amend Canada's Copyright Act by implementing parts of the 1996 World Intellectual Property Organization treaty, the treaty that led to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in the U.S. Complete article.

unknowngiver · 07-19-2005, 08:19 AM

Google has that feature :s

Venolus · 07-19-2005, 08:30 AM

Google's most decent and best feature is page caching and their new software webaccelerator is based on it...what the heck is gonna happen?????

Venolus · 07-19-2005, 09:49 AM

I dont think so.. google always find a solution fit for them..atleast for a million dollar project like webaccelerator

unknowngiver · 07-19-2005, 10:33 AM

This law is in canada only
google is worldwide :S so is it that they cant use the cache service in CANADA only?

phpwiz · 07-22-2005, 07:37 PM

i saw this a while back, im sure they might change the bill somehow. if not bye bye google

DJ-Sound · 07-22-2005, 11:52 PM

google will probally find a loop hole, like no Cache of .ca domains or something...

taheny · 07-22-2005, 11:56 PM

Using Whois info, it would be easy for Google to not cache all websites based in Canada.

Crusader · 07-22-2005, 11:59 PM

DNS lookup of every IP? That wouldn't work though since most sites in Canada are hosted on foreign servers.

This bill may not be passed..

Raf · 07-23-2005, 02:53 AM

This doesn't like like very good news, especially for those that are residents of Canada. Does that mean the Canadian-site of Google will be shut down or something?

Venolus · 07-23-2005, 02:59 AM

Maybe, google has already planned an alternative

OvenMitt · 07-23-2005, 10:59 AM

Wait:
You mean to tell me that Canada has come up with some absurd law?
I'd never believe it!
I refuse, in fact!
I plan on seceding.
That is all.

phpwiz · 07-23-2005, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by OvenMitt

Wait:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/107895-in-canada-cache-page-go-jail.html
You mean to tell me that Canada has come up with some absurd law?
I'd never believe it!
I refuse, in fact!
I plan on seceding.
That is all.

wtf???? lol

**Dave Zan** · 07-23-2005, 07:26 PM

How about archive.org?

True_Snake · 07-23-2005, 09:30 PM

I doubt this bill would pass. The government has just emerged from one of the tightest political years where they've faced a number of problems. This is likely not a priority IMHO

.

True_Snake

abdulmueid · 07-23-2005, 09:44 PM

Archive.org ais already in problems with some medical firm for providing cached pages from their old sites.

I dont think anything will happen to giants like google and yahoo... I mean these guys always find a way to bend the laws and escape from the trouble.

primacomputer · 07-23-2005, 11:43 PM

Excellent! Since web browsers automatically cache every page that is visited everyone in the world can sue every single Canadian who visits their web site. I'm going to go out and register a bunch of beaver and moose related names right now to “cache” in on this.

OvenMitt · 07-25-2005, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by abdulmueid

I mean these guys always find a way to bend the laws and escape from the trouble.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=107895
How about just not coming up with crappy laws to begin with?

Socialism loves governmental control and dependance, but Canadia is just being ridiculous if they think this is a good idea.

mallikrao79 · 07-25-2005, 09:24 AM

It really doesn't make any sense.
May be a bunch of IDIOTs have comeup with that idea.

abdulmueid · 07-25-2005, 09:39 AM

Do the lawmakers dont know the meaning of "CACHE"... I wonder

True_Snake · 07-25-2005, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by OvenMitt

...but Canadia is just being ridiculous if they think this is a good idea.

It's not the entire government that has proposed this; likely a member or two of parliment who think that's what's needed.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=107895

I wouldn't worry; it won't pass, IMHO.

True_Snake

CrazyTech · 07-25-2005, 06:45 PM

I'm not a huge fan of the Canadian government right now by any means but I'd doubt that this bill would pass. I can see where they have an idealized vision of "protecting" companies from lawsuits (like we've seen with the Archive.org case) but other than that the law comes off as pretty silly. If this law were passed then I'd think caching pages in your browser would become illegal (depending upon the wording, of course) which could really cause a problem.

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DJ-Sound Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,812	google will probally find a loop hole, like no Cache of .ca domains or something...

07-22-2005, 11:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
taheny NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 632	Using Whois info, it would be easy for Google to not cache all websites based in Canada.

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Raf Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,744	This doesn't like like very good news, especially for those that are residents of Canada. Does that mean the Canadian-site of Google will be shut down or something?

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OvenMitt NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 463	Wait: You mean to tell me that Canada has come up with some absurd law? I'd never believe it! I refuse, in fact! I plan on seceding. That is all.

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primacomputer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,402	Excellent! Since web browsers automatically cache every page that is visited everyone in the world can sue every single Canadian who visits their web site. I'm going to go out and register a bunch of beaver and moose related names right now to “cache” in on this.

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mallikrao79 NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 658	It really doesn't make any sense. May be a bunch of IDIOTs have comeup with that idea.

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abdulmueid Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mozambique Posts: 606	Do the lawmakers dont know the meaning of "CACHE"... I wonder

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CrazyTech NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,043	I'm not a huge fan of the Canadian government right now by any means but I'd doubt that this bill would pass. I can see where they have an idealized vision of "protecting" companies from lawsuits (like we've seen with the Archive.org case) but other than that the law comes off as pretty silly. If this law were passed then I'd think caching pages in your browser would become illegal (depending upon the wording, of course) which could really cause a problem.

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