.JP Internationalized domains

james673s · 10-31-2010, 07:14 AM

Hi all,

I noticed that internationalized domains are available for .JP
I'm interested in this but not sure how it works. If I register an IDN for .JP, will I then have registered the domain name in Japanese or only the "punycode" equivalent of it?

Concrete example, let's say I want to register the Japanese equivalent of "coffeemachines.jp". For the sake of the example, I google translated "coffee machines" which is "コーヒーマシン". Now I would want to register "コーヒーマシン.jp".

According to the convertor at IP Mirror, ipmirror.com/en/help/idn_convertor/, "コーヒーマシン.jp" has the following punycode equivalent:
xn--tcki4f2b5f2bb.jp

When I now try to register コーヒーマシン.jp through IP Mirror, IP Mirror would in fact register xn--tcki4f2b5f2bb.jp for me.

However, a person putting the Japanese address in his browser "コーヒーマシン.jp" would also end up on my domain, right?

Does that mean that in fact I also "own" コーヒーマシン.jp when registering xn--tcki4f2b5f2bb.jp ?

Or would there be a risk that the JP registry at some point would start making available "UTF-8" (with that I mean registering directly a name with Japanese signs instead of the Punycode equivalent) domains so that "コーヒーマシン.jp" could be registered by someone else?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/idn-discussion/684954-jp-internationalized-domains.html

And does it work the same with IDN for all Asian countries or may there be differences?

Thanks in advance!

spline · 11-01-2010, 04:01 PM

Yes you do.

As far as I know there should be no risc of someone getting utf-8 domains instead of punycode.
As far as I know its not possible.

james673s · 11-02-2010, 07:13 AM

thanks for the answer, any more thoughts on this?

james673s · 11-09-2010, 06:14 AM

anyone?

wellmanneredsquirrel · 11-09-2010, 05:38 PM

Simply put, punycode and unicode are 2 representations of the same thing. Hence there will never be such thing as you "owning" the unicode representation and someone else "owning" the punycode representation of the same domain. Think of it as cat vs CAT.

Wikipedia has some good info on "Punycode" and "IDNA". You should read both pages.

evirtual1 · 11-10-2010, 04:28 PM

The real good news is

The core significance of this term can be seen through the .JP registry, JPRS, having made the choice to attempt to alias .JP to .日本.

Source

http://idnblog.com/2010/10/25/breaki...%E6%9C%AC-com/

I have about ten .jps and also some japanese .coms which are destined to become

Japanese:
.日本 : .jp
.コム : .com
.ネット : .net

Source

www.gtld.com.au

The are many idn opportunities out there ! but not forever

james673s · 11-11-2010, 12:28 AM

Very interesting

Quote:

The core significance of this term can be seen through the .JP registry, JPRS, having made the choice to attempt to alias .JP to .日本.

Would that mean that even the extension of Japanese domains will be in Japanese signs in the future?

And would it mean that having registered a "certainname.jp" would mean that once the .日本 extension becomes available that you would automatically "have" also the domain "certainname.日本" because either the .JP would redirect to the .日本 or the other way around?

Billidn · 11-11-2010, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by james673s

Does that mean that in fact I also "own" コーヒーマシン.jp when registering ?

All domains have to be represented by letters a-z, 1-9, 0 and - (dash) to work in the DNS system. To make the system work with all languages the "punycode" system was developed.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=684954

In your case the "punycode" (xn--tcki4f2b5f2bb.jp) is merely the way the DNS system converts your Japanese "unicode" コーヒーマシン.

Wikipedia has some good articles on punycode and International Domain Names.

evirtual1 · 11-11-2010, 10:23 PM

コーヒーマシン.日本 is what it will look like in japanese , but you have to have the japanese version of the spelling, on a japanese browser you will eventually have japanese characters in place of english

james673s · 11-12-2010, 02:34 AM

thanks guys, although I think the last two posts dont really answer my last question which was:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=684954

Quote:

The core significance of this term can be seen through the .JP registry, JPRS, having made the choice to attempt to alias .JP to .日本.

Quote:

Would that mean that even the extension of Japanese domains will be in Japanese signs in the future?

And would it mean that having registered a "certainname.jp" would mean that once the .日本 extension becomes available that you would automatically "have" also the domain "certainname.日本" because either the .JP would redirect to the .日本 or the other way around?

wellmanneredsquirrel · 11-13-2010, 09:43 PM

yes.. read on the topic of "aliasing", some registry will alias, .jp is one of them

evirtual1 · 11-14-2010, 03:25 PM

the smart ones will realize that having a complete japanese address will win out once the .日本 becomes common , makes sense to have the complete address in their native tongue

many japanese names at idnforums/com

10-31-2010, 07:14 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
james673s New Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5	.JP Internationalized domains Hi all, I noticed that internationalized domains are available for .JP I'm interested in this but not sure how it works. If I register an IDN for .JP, will I then have registered the domain name in Japanese or only the "punycode" equivalent of it? Concrete example, let's say I want to register the Japanese equivalent of "coffeemachines.jp". For the sake of the example, I google translated "coffee machines" which is "コーヒーマシン". Now I would want to register "コーヒーマシン.jp". According to the convertor at IP Mirror, ipmirror.com/en/help/idn_convertor/, "コーヒーマシン.jp" has the following punycode equivalent: xn--tcki4f2b5f2bb.jp When I now try to register コーヒーマシン.jp through IP Mirror, IP Mirror would in fact register xn--tcki4f2b5f2bb.jp for me. However, a person putting the Japanese address in his browser "コーヒーマシン.jp" would also end up on my domain, right? Does that mean that in fact I also "own" コーヒーマシン.jp when registering xn--tcki4f2b5f2bb.jp ? Or would there be a risk that the JP registry at some point would start making available "UTF-8" (with that I mean registering directly a name with Japanese signs instead of the Punycode equivalent) domains so that "コーヒーマシン.jp" could be registered by someone else? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/idn-discussion/684954-jp-internationalized-domains.html And does it work the same with IDN for all Asian countries or may there be differences? Thanks in advance! Last edited by mis_chiff; 10-31-2010 at 07:32 AM. Reason: removed link

11-01-2010, 04:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
spline NamePros Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	Yes you do. As far as I know there should be no risc of someone getting utf-8 domains instead of punycode. As far as I know its not possible. __________________ dntrader.tel

11-10-2010, 04:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
evirtual1 NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rod.Tv Posts: 7,369	The real good news is The core significance of this term can be seen through the .JP registry, JPRS, having made the choice to attempt to alias .JP to .日本. Source http://idnblog.com/2010/10/25/breaki...%E6%9C%AC-com/ I have about ten .jps and also some japanese .coms which are destined to become Japanese: .日本 : .jp .コム : .com .ネット : .net Source www.gtld.com.au The are many idn opportunities out there ! but not forever __________________ Start your business with.... AllDogWalking.Com Business Information School Study Guide Blonde

11-11-2010, 10:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
evirtual1 NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rod.Tv Posts: 7,369	コーヒーマシン.日本 is what it will look like in japanese , but you have to have the japanese version of the spelling, on a japanese browser you will eventually have japanese characters in place of english __________________ Start your business with.... AllDogWalking.Com Business Information School Study Guide Blonde

11-14-2010, 03:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
evirtual1 NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rod.Tv Posts: 7,369	the smart ones will realize that having a complete japanese address will win out once the .日本 becomes common , makes sense to have the complete address in their native tongue many japanese names at idnforums/com __________________ Start your business with.... AllDogWalking.Com Business Information School Study Guide Blonde

11-02-2010, 07:13 AM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
james673s New Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5	thanks for the answer, any more thoughts on this?

11-09-2010, 06:14 AM	THREAD STARTER #4 (permalink)
james673s New Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5	anyone?

11-09-2010, 05:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
wellmanneredsquirrel NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 101	Simply put, punycode and unicode are 2 representations of the same thing. Hence there will never be such thing as you "owning" the unicode representation and someone else "owning" the punycode representation of the same domain. Think of it as cat vs CAT. Wikipedia has some good info on "Punycode" and "IDNA". You should read both pages.

11-13-2010, 09:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
wellmanneredsquirrel NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 101	yes.. read on the topic of "aliasing", some registry will alias, .jp is one of them

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