中国.cn.com and 北京.cn.com

.tv · 04-12-2008, 11:17 AM

I reged these names recently.

中国.cn.com

北京.cn.com

lipps · 04-12-2008, 02:59 PM

Very nice domain name but if you actually owned China.cn and Bejing.cn then those domains are quite valuable. I am sure there is a place for the com.cn domains but I honestly dont know the overall acceptance of the domains in Cn.
Sub domains like com.xx are frequently overlooked by the search spiders and get little to no type in traffic.
I hate to say it but they may have limited value due to the sub domain extension.

Jackie · 04-12-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by lipps

Very nice domain name but if you actually owned China.cn and Bejing.cn then those domains are quite valuable. I am sure there is a place for the com.cn domains but I honestly dont know the overall acceptance of the domains in Cn.
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Sub domains like com.xx are frequently overlooked by the search spiders and get little to no type in traffic.
I hate to say it but they may have limited value due to the sub domain extension.

These are .cn.coms and aren't a real ccTLD. cn.com is just another .com domain owned by a private company called CentralNic. They sell subdomains like example.cn.com to people

NOT .com.cn which are a part of the .cn ccTLD's architecture and controlled by the .cn registry.

If you heard about web.com, they used to do the same thing that Centralnic's doing with .cn.com. People could buy [sub]domains under .web.com, like example.web.com from them. Recently, they decided to take back all the .web.coms they sold.

If you bought one of the names and worse, if you developed a business on one of the domains, you were out of luck. Your domain, example.web.com would stop working and all your customers that only know to find you there would be lost. JUST because the company that owns Web.com decided to stop providing the subdomains...

Not that ICANN's much better.

.tv · 04-12-2008, 06:55 PM

Thank you for the appraisals.

I know these domain names are sub domains, but I am getting offers in the range of $x,xxx for these names.

Owner of China.cn.com is asking $x,xxx,xxx for his name, and already he had rejected my offer of $2500.

Every domain name is a sub domain, whether it comes under .com.cn or .cn.com. The only difference is, the ownership.
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.com.cn is one of the sub-domain extensions under the .cn rootzone, but it is being operated exclusively by registry authorities of China.

Similarly, any domain name which is created under cn.com root zone is called a sub-domain of cn.com. These sub-domain extensions are owned and operated by Central NIC.

wot · 04-13-2008, 12:41 AM

If you are getting offers in the $x,xxx for those sub domains take them and run - quickly.

touchring · 04-13-2008, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by wot

If you are getting offers in the $x,xxx for those sub domains take them and run - quickly.

i agree. the .cn.com is more like a typo of .com.cn.

.tv · 04-13-2008, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by jacksonm

I don't believe you.

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I didn't ask you to believe!

Originally Posted by touchring

i agree. the .cn.com is more like a typo of .com.cn.

That's why I am holding them, even though they are sub-domains.

These names are getting an average of 10 uniques per day, but 0% CTR.

Billidn · 04-13-2008, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by .tv

That's why I am holding them, even though they are sub-domains. These names are getting an average of 10 uniques per day, but 0% CTR.

These have little value, any traffic is probably Bots.

.tv · 04-13-2008, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by Billidn

These have little value, any traffic is probably Bots.

Thanks for the appraisal.

tansks · 04-13-2008, 07:02 AM

I check 中国.cn.com last year, but it seem too expensive to register it. Good luck anyway.

touchring · 04-13-2008, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by jacksonm

I don't believe you.

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It's an old game, another 2-3 years, the names will be dropped, and someone else will pickup and try the trick again. People have done that for .tv, .biz, info all the time. The only difference is that, it is going to be even harder, maybe 10 times harder, for .cn.com.

LOL.

jacksonm · 04-13-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by touchring

It's an old game, another 2-3 years, the names will be dropped, and someone else will pickup and try the trick again. People have done that for .tv, .biz, info all the time. The only difference is that, it is going to be even harder, maybe 10 times harder, for .cn.com.

LOL.

It's a real shame that the only value people most of the crowd can see in IDN is for creating look-alikes of english words or trying to pull scams like this (the scam being the telling about "offers" which very likely never actually occurred, in an attempt to demonstrate "demand").

People, you are missing the boat while you're fooling around with this stuff.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456668

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.tv · 04-13-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by touchring

It's an old game, another 2-3 years, the names will be dropped, and someone else will pickup and try the trick again. People have done that for .tv, .biz, info all the time. The only difference is that, it is going to be even harder, maybe 10 times harder, for .cn.com.

LOL.

Originally Posted by jacksonm

It's a real shame that the only value people most of the crowd can see in IDN is for creating look-alikes of english words or trying to pull scams like this (the scam being the telling about "offers" which very likely never actually occurred, in an attempt to demonstrate "demand").

People, you are missing the boat while you're fooling around with this stuff.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456668

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Hello naysayers,

There is no scam registering a real IDN name like china in any available ext.

LOL, Don't think that no one is getting offers for their names if you are not getting anything for your crappy names. I know where I am standing, and what I will get for these names.

I did not ask you to buy any of these names.

Don't drop your BS here and there, and wander like a mad.

If you did not like this name, keep your a*s off.

Several CentralNIC domain names were sold for good value. Refer previous DNJournal Archives or Namebio.com for sales history, and learn how to post.

touchring · 04-13-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by .tv

Hello naysayers,

There is no scam registering a real IDN name like china in any available ext.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456668
No offense, we're not saying what you do is a scam. Everyone does it, register a name and market it. If what you're doing is a scam, than 400 out of 500 Forbes 500 companies are scammers.

But one thing. cn.com is not an extension. It's a domain. You're registering a sub-domain,

wot · 04-13-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by .tv

Hello naysayers,

There is no scam registering a real IDN name like china in any available ext.

LOL, Don't think that no one is getting offers for their names if you are not getting anything for your crappy names. I know where I am standing, and what I will get for these names.

I did not ask you to buy any of these names.

Don't drop your BS here and there, and wander like a mad.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456668

If you did not like this name, keep your a*s off.

Several CentralNIC domain names were sold for good value. Refer previous DNJournal Archives or Namebio.com for sales history, and learn how to post.

OK - a simple appraisal, the names have little or no value in what is a sub domain that could disappear at any time.

The only thing right about them is that the idn characters are correct. If you wish to ignore the advice of the many people with a great deal of experience with IDN and domains in general then that is your choice.

Very simply, you will not sell them to anybody who knows anything about such names- read in to that what you wish.

.tv · 04-13-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by touchring

But one thing. cn.com is not an extension. It's a domain. You're registering a sub-domain,

Everyone in the domaining industry knows about CentralNIC and its sub-domains. Marketing is different.
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I did not market these names to anyone here. You both volunteered and continuing to post useless information. If you want to keep going around in circles that is fine with me.

Originally Posted by wot

OK - a simple appraisal, the names have little or no value in what is a sub domain that could disappear at any time.

Thank you for your unbiased appraisal.

wot · 04-13-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by .tv

Everyone in the domaining industry knows about CentralNIC and its sub-domains. Marketing is different.

I did not market these names to anyone here. You both volunteered and continuing to post useless information. If you want to keep going around in circles that is fine with me.

Thank you for your unbiased appraisal.

My pleasure -No problem - I do know what I am talking about.

jacksonm · 04-14-2008, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by .tv

Hello naysayers,

There is no scam registering a real IDN name like china in any available ext.

LOL, Don't think that no one is getting offers for their names if you are not getting anything for your crappy names. I know where I am standing, and what I will get for these names.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456668
Of course there is no scam in registering IDN subdomains with centralnic. The scam is when you try to falsely establish demand, and thus value, for said domains by stating that you've had high offers for them (thus fishing for real offers so you can unload these worthless domains). I don't think I'm the only one here that simply does not believe that you have had any real offers on these subdomains.

Regardless of that, I would like to tell you something about IDN subdomains. While this may not apply to Chinese yet as far as I know, it does apply to Japanese. Earlier last year, Yahoo.co.jp (the dominant search engine in Japan) was giving incredibly high rankings to Japanese IDNs. As most of the good Japanese IDNs were already bought, Japanese webmasters started creating Japanese IDN subdomains by the thousands in order to gain rankings. In a matter of several weeks, they pushed nearly everybody out of the first page in the SERPs. Due to this, Yahoo Japan changed their algorithm and actually, as most people believe, penalized IDN domains and subdomains. The domains and subdomains which previously ranked on page 1 sank to page 85 or something. Additionally, many of the domains and subdomains were simply removed from the results (de-indexed).

IDN subdomains like yours won't get any type-in traffic, and if Baidu (the dominant search engine in China) take a similar approach as Yahoo (might be that they have already done so) they they wont rank in the SERPs either. If a domain doesn't get type-in and can't rank in SERPs, then what good is it?

Just something to consider when you are pulling out your credit card next time.

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touchring · 04-14-2008, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by .tv

I did not market these names to anyone here. You both volunteered and continuing to post useless information. If you want to keep going around in circles that is fine with me.

You post this 2 subdomains for discussion, what do you expect us to say??

And what would you say if someone else registered the names, says he got $xxxx offers, and put them up for discussion?

Domaining, especially IDN is a small community. News spread very fast, and everyone that deals in IDN will know about this thread.

.tv · 04-14-2008, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by jacksonm

Of course there is no scam in registering IDN subdomains with centralnic. The scam is when you try to falsely establish demand, and thus value, for said domains by stating that you've had high offers for them (thus fishing for real offers so you can unload these worthless domains). I don't think I'm the only one here that simply does not believe that you have had any real offers on these subdomains.

Regardless of that, I would like to tell you something about IDN subdomains. While this may not apply to Chinese yet as far as I know, it does apply to Japanese. Earlier last year, Yahoo.co.jp (the dominant search engine in Japan) was giving incredibly high rankings to Japanese IDNs. As most of the good Japanese IDNs were already bought, Japanese webmasters started creating Japanese IDN subdomains by the thousands in order to gain rankings. In a matter of several weeks, they pushed nearly everybody out of the first page in the SERPs. Due to this, Yahoo Japan changed their algorithm and actually, as most people believe, penalized IDN domains and subdomains. The domains and subdomains which previously ranked on page 1 sank to page 85 or something. Additionally, many of the domains and subdomains were simply removed from the results (de-indexed).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456668

IDN subdomains like yours won't get any type-in traffic, and if Baidu (the dominant search engine in China) take a similar approach as Yahoo (might be that they have already done so) they they wont rank in the SERPs either. If a domain doesn't get type-in and can't rank in SERPs, then what good is it?

Just something to consider when you are pulling out your credit card next time.

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Thank you for your loooooooong post. I really appreciate your time.

What I actually wanted is to get different opinions about the current market price of IDN domain names.

How did you know that I haven't received $x,xxx offers for this name?

You are talking crazy, and telling that my statements are false. I did not ask you to believe the offers that I am currently getting. It is your choice to believe or not believe, but you are telling that I am trying to scam people. This is not acceptable. I did not ask anyone here to buy these names.

I have been buying and selling domain names especially IDN names since 2006. So I have some good idea about what I am doing. If you keep on posting false and unacceptable information about me, I will have to report you to the forum management.

htmlindex · 04-14-2008, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by wot

If you are getting offers in the $x,xxx for those sub domains take them and run - quickly.

Agreed. Any xx.com subdomains, I would definately try & sell them at any prices to get rid of them.

.tv · 04-14-2008, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by htmlindex

Agreed. Any xx.com subdomains, I would definately try & sell them at any prices to get rid of them.

Thank you for your opinion htmlindex. Currently I am negotiating with the potential buyers.

touchring · 04-15-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by .tv

Thank you for your opinion htmlindex. Currently I am negotiating with the potential buyers.

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looking forward to seeing your sale in dnjournal. a $xxxx sale for .cn.com will boost idn generally.

.tv · 04-15-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by touchring

looking forward to seeing your sale in dnjournal. a $xxxx sale for .cn.com will boost idn generally.

Sure, I will inform about the sale to everyone, especially to the naysayers!

touchring · 04-15-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by .tv

Sure, I will inform about the sale to everyone, especially to the naysayers!

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I can tell you the naysayers are more than happy if your sale gets reported on DNjournal or Sedo auction. But only if the sale is reported "officially".

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.tv Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: 10Â°51'3"N 78Â°41'9"E Posts: 2,251 Follow @dhananjey	中国.cn.com and 北京.cn.com I reged these names recently. 中国.cn.com 北京.cn.com __________________ For Sale: Single Character Domains ~ 2.PN, 3.PN, 6.PN and 9.PN

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lipps NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 418	Very nice domain name but if you actually owned China.cn and Bejing.cn then those domains are quite valuable. I am sure there is a place for the com.cn domains but I honestly dont know the overall acceptance of the domains in Cn. Sub domains like com.xx are frequently overlooked by the search spiders and get little to no type in traffic. I hate to say it but they may have limited value due to the sub domain extension. Last edited by lipps; 04-12-2008 at 03:03 PM.

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.tv Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: 10Â°51'3"N 78Â°41'9"E Posts: 2,251 Follow @dhananjey	Thank you for the appraisals. I know these domain names are sub domains, but I am getting offers in the range of $x,xxx for these names. Owner of China.cn.com is asking $x,xxx,xxx for his name, and already he had rejected my offer of $2500. Every domain name is a sub domain, whether it comes under .com.cn or .cn.com. The only difference is, the ownership. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456668 .com.cn is one of the sub-domain extensions under the .cn rootzone, but it is being operated exclusively by registry authorities of China. Similarly, any domain name which is created under cn.com root zone is called a sub-domain of cn.com. These sub-domain extensions are owned and operated by Central NIC. __________________ For Sale: Single Character Domains ~ 2.PN, 3.PN, 6.PN and 9.PN Last edited by .tv; 04-12-2008 at 07:55 PM.

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wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,854	If you are getting offers in the $x,xxx for those sub domains take them and run - quickly. __________________ MonikerBlog.com

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