.us ith.us sells, but had non-USA Whois info... hmmm

fonzie_007 · Feb 21, 2006

Found this interesting. ith.us sells on Sedo for 827 Euros. The registrant has USA whois info but the other contact whois contact info is for a guy in Germany. Anyone else find this interesting that the sale was in euros and not in USD?

localpub · Feb 21, 2006

fonzie_007 said:
The registrant has USA whois info but the other contact whois contact info is for a guy in Germany.

I see only Sedo GmbH address. And Sedo is a German company, AFAIK.

fonzie_007 said:
Anyone else find this interesting that the sale was in euros and not in USD?

And what's interesting in THAT? Euros are more secure to keep your savings, you know...

fonzie_007 · Feb 21, 2006

If you are not a USA citizen or incorporated in the US, you cannot register .us domains.

Maybe everything is legit, I just thought it was weird the sale was in euros if the person was in the US.

webmasterinfo · Feb 21, 2006

Anyone else find this interesting that the sale was in euros and not in USD?

No, not really!
Cheers!

Kate · Feb 21, 2006

Ahaha I often put € too
Simply put 1 euro is worth a bit more than $1.

But I could use British Pounds too :hehe:

BTW EUR 827 = ± USD 988.
Not a bad sale.

Grrilla · Feb 21, 2006

My last sale on Sedo went to a Sedo holding acct before they transfered ownership, so that could be reason that it is showing as a German acct. I think they do this as a convenience to the seller and it helps speed up payment. My last .us sale was made to someone living in the Netherlands. The money from the sale all spends the same whther the buyer is from the US or from another country. I have been listing domains for sale in USD, of late, but for quite some time ws listing in Euros. re: Even though the buyer is well aware of the exchange rate, psychologically, $100USD feels close enough to $100USD, and the difference pays off my 10% Sedo fee. I don't really know why I switched back. My default payout is in USD, one way or another.

As for the restrictions and guidelines of the .us namespace, the US and the registry have maintained a laissez-faire attitude in their enforcement policies and why not? Idealistically the US is a champion of the free enterprise system and what better way to demonstrate this principle than to let the market act in a free, supply and demand way? Additionally, several other countries have lax enforcement policies or are opening their namespace up to the world, (ie .be). These policies encourage businesses to run sites w/ the namespace which has the side benefit of bringing commerce and revenue into the country. If someone from India or Fiji or China wants to use the .US namespace to bring their product in front of an American audience and wants to use the .US namespace to do so, I say the more power to them. I know it goes against the letter of the law, but so does jaywalking in many US cities w/ city governments that pref not to enforce the ordinance, unless endangerment is involved. The less government involvement and the less enforcement, the better, but that and the above is only MHO.

One last request. cctld restrictions and usage discussions are often similar in nature to discussions about politics and religion. People hold very strong, often opposing opinions about the issue. I have never seen one of these discussions change anyones mind, resolve the questions brought up or offer any agreed upon solutions to the perceived problems. Usually the parties from both sides of the argument get bent out of shape and leave the thread P/O'd, angry and in a worse frame of mind than they had before entering the discussion. We are all about the free exchange of ideas at NP so if the topic must be debated, let's leave the egos at home and listen to what the other guys is saying. And if the topic was dropped, altogether, that would be fine w/ me, as well.

My2c.

IAmAllanShore · Feb 21, 2006

And just FYI, sedo certainly satisfies the nexus requirement of the .us namespace... you don't necessarily have to be incorporated in the US or a US citizen... it is true that many folks are probably not totally kosher in their holding .us names, but Sedo... they're kosher

Grrilla · Feb 21, 2006

IAmAllanShore said:
And just FYI, sedo certainly satisfies the nexus requirement of the .us namespace... you don't necessarily have to be incorporated in the US or a US citizen... it is true that many folks are probably not totally kosher in their holding .us names, but Sedo... they're kosher

And heck, they're US office is in Cambridge, Massachusetts. You can't get any more Paul Revere or Walden Woods than that!
:hehe:

seeker · Feb 21, 2006

there are many options in the nexus for the .us ccTLD that allows foreign companies and individuals to own a .us domain, assuming some/one of the requirements are met.

Grrilla · Feb 21, 2006

seeker said:
there are many options in the nexus for the .us ccTLD that allows foreign companies and individuals to own a .us domain, assuming some/one of the requirements are met.

True. That part, I think, we've got down.

I think that there are many more foreign registrants of .us domains who do not meet the .us nexus requirements, than there are those who do. I don't know, exactly, why there is very little or no enforcement of the requirements.

Seeker, do you have any insight regarding non-compiance? If the rules are not being enforced, I am curious as to why the rules aren't ammended. I can only project that it is easier to stay a laissez-faire course than to go back to ICANN and ammend the nexus but, that is only a guess on my part.

For those interested, the .US Nexus Requirements that are not, generally, being enforced, (to the best of my knowledge). Category 3 is central to this the thread topic:

© 2002 NeuStar, Inc. All rights reserved.
America’s Internet Address
The usTLD Nexus Requirements
Nexus Policy
Registrants in the usTLD must be either:
1.A natural person (i) who is a United States citizen, (ii) who is a permanent resident of the
United States of America or any of its possessions or territories, or (iii) whose primary place
of domicile is in the United States of America or any of its possessions [Nexus Category 1],
2.A United States entity or organization that is (i) incorporated within one of the fifty (50) U.S.
states, the District of Columbia, or any of the United States possessions or territories, or (ii)
organized or otherwise constituted under the laws of a state of the United States of America,
the District of Columbia or any of its possessions or territories (including a federal, state, or
local government of the United States or a political subdivision thereof, and non-commercial
organizations based in the United States) [Nexus Category 2], or
3.A foreign entity or organization that has a bona fide presence in the United States of America
or any of its possessions or territories [Nexus Category 3].
Prospective Registrants will certify that they have a “bona fide presence in the United States” on
the basis of real and substantial lawful connections with, or lawful activities in, the United States
of America. This requirement is intended to ensure that only those individuals or organizations
that have a substantive lawful connection to the United States are permitted to register for usTLD
domain names.
It shall be a continuing requirement that all usTLD domain name Registrants remain in
compliance with Nexus. To implement the Nexus requirement, NeuStar will:
•Require that Registrars certify that they enforce the Nexus requirement upon their
Registrants, and that Registrars require Registrants to certify that they meet the Nexus
requirement.
•Conduct a scan of selected registration request information.
•Conduct “spot checks” on Registrant information.

Information Collected From Registrants
To register a name, Registrants (through their Registrars) will be required to provide basic
registration information to the Registry. The minimum required information is:
•The domain name registered;
•The IP address and corresponding names of the primary and secondary name servers for the
registered name;
•The Registrar name and URL or, where appropriate, the identity of the delegated manager
under whom the name is registered;
•The original creation date and term of the registration;
•The name and postal address of the domain name Registrant;
•The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and (where available)
fax number of the name holder for the name registered;
•The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and (where available)
fax number of the technical contact for the name registered; and
•The name, postal address, e-mail address, voice telephone number, and (where available)
fax number of the administrative contact for the name registered.
In addition to the above information, Registrants will be required to provide certain additional
Nexus information to their Registrars. Except where it is noted below that a registration will be
rejected if information is missing, failure of a registration to satisfy the Nexus requirement will
result in the name being placed upon a 30-day hold, during which time the Registrar will be
notified and given the opportunity to correct the information with the Registrant. If no action is
taken by the Registrar within the 30-day period, the registration will be cancelled and the name
will be returned to “available” status. The registration fee will not be refunded. If, on the other
hand, the Registrar is able to demonstrate compliance with the requirement and the information
is corrected, the hold will be released and the name will be registered.
•Certificationthat Registrant satisfies Nexus requirement – if not completed, then
registration will be rejected;
•Basis for compliance (Nexus Category 1, 2, or 3) – if not completed, then registration will
be rejected
•Certification that the listed name servers are located within the United States – if not
completed, then registration will be rejected

Nexus Category 1
A natural person (i) who is a United States citizen, (ii) who is a permanent
resident of the United States of America or any of its possessions or territories, or
(iii) whose primary place of domicile is in the United States of America or any of
its possessions.
•Statement of citizenship or legal permanent residency required. If not completed,
registration will be rejected.

Nexus Category 2
A United States entity or organization that is (i) incorporated within one of the fifty (50) U.S.
states, the District of Columbia, or any of the United States possessions or territories, or (ii)
organized or otherwise constituted under the laws of a state of the United States of America, the
District of Columbia or any of its possessions or (including a federal, state, or local government
of the United States, or a political subdivision thereof, and non-commercial organizations based
in the United States).

Nexus Category 3
A foreign entity or organization that has a bona fide presence in the United States of America or
any of its possessions or territories.
•Applicant must state country of citizenship.
•Applicant must also (1) regularly engage in lawful activities (sales of goods or services or
other business, commercial or non-commercial including not-for-profit activities) in the
United States; or (2) maintain an office or other property within the United States.

Category 3 Nexus Certification
Prospective Registrants will certify compliance with Category 3 Nexus based upon
substantial lawful contacts with, or lawful activities in, the United States.
Factors that should be considered in determining whether an entity or organization has a
bona fide presence in the United States shall include, without limitation, whether such
prospective usTLD domain name Registrant:
•Regularly performs lawful activities within the United States related to the purposes for
which the entity or organization is constituted (e.g., selling goods or providing
services to customers, conducting regular training activities, attending conferences),
provided such activities are not conducted solely or primarily to permit it to register
for a usTLD domain name and are lawful under the laws and regulations of the
United States and satisfy policies for the usTLD, including policies approved and/or
mandated by the DoC;
•Maintains an office or other facility in the United States for a lawful business,
noncommercial, educational or governmental purpose, and not solely or primarily to
permit it to register for a usTLD domain name.

seeker · Feb 22, 2006

yes, the category 3 does leave it pretty open to interpretation. I know of at least 1 case (personally) that I received a notice to supply data on 1 .us domain. I had 30 days to give this data. I emailed them within 24 hours, as I have a Delaware incoprporation acting as a US subsidiary. They replied 72 hours later to thank me for the clarification and all was fine. I was not contacted by the registrar but by Neustar (the registry).
I also know of cases in 2003 that people lost domains because of this process, and i havent heard of it happening since.
it seems that the 3rd category can be easily fulfilled because it is pretty vague.
IMO, that category was placed as a way to allow anyone to register .us domains, yet somehow allowing the registry to have some type of control when an 'unwanted' foreign entity needs to be delt with. I think thats pretty self explanatory

I think that people who know they do not fulfil any of the requirements should not take the chance. If you lose 1 case, you can not again register another .us domain, or so I was told by a fellow domainer in 2003

localpub · Feb 22, 2006

seeker said:
If you lose 1 case, you can not again register another .us domain

Hm... Who is gonna check this? And HOW?

seeker · Feb 22, 2006

Neustar will check it, and i assume they mean your name and email.
If someone is going to fake them or change them, then I dont know...
is it worth it?

localpub · Feb 22, 2006

seeker said:
Neustar will check it, and i assume they mean your name and email.
If someone is going to fake them or change them, then I dont know...
is it worth it?

I mean I have more than a few email addresses and can have few monikers as well, rent few mailboxes... etc etc etc... What I mean is that's isn't possible AT ALL to check have or haven't I lost any cases.

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