Talk.TV - $40,000

Big Mac · 11-15-2011, 03:24 PM

Sedo:

Talk.TV sells for $40,000

Source: TheDomains

Keith · 11-15-2011, 03:28 PM

Great sale but I would have held out for a bit more. That's one of the absolute best .tv IMO. Very nice for the buyer

idevelop.tv · 11-15-2011, 05:25 PM

I would of sold at 40k... nice sale indeed.

*RPK* · 11-16-2011, 12:08 AM

Sweet!

orcus · 11-16-2011, 12:25 AM

Very nice sale

htmlindex · 11-16-2011, 01:36 AM

Definitely a very nice sale indeed! Congrats to the previous owner

Jimbojimbo · 11-16-2011, 02:17 AM

This name was a $650 a year premium and yet still achieved $40k

For those with legacy premium names hanging around their necks this gives some hope.

However, for those with quality names that are standard renewal this is great news. How much would the price have been if TALK.tv was a standard renewal?

finster · 11-16-2011, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by Jimbojimbo

However, for those with quality names that are standard renewal this is great news. How much would the price have been if TALK.tv was a standard renewal?

Being as it was sold on Sedo the buyer may very well not know about the premium.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/737628-talk-tv-40-000-a.html

Does anyone know if the name has actually transacted yet?

*RPK* · 11-16-2011, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by finster

Being as it was sold on Sedo the buyer may very well not know about the premium.

Does anyone know if the name has actually transacted yet?

IMO if they buyer paid $40k hes not going to care about the $650 a year

***mwzd*** · 11-16-2011, 10:26 AM

Great sale.

Originally Posted by Keith

Great sale but I would have held out for a bit more. That's one of the absolute best .tv IMO.

I don't see it as 'one of the absolute best .tv', could you care to elaborate? I must be missing something. I get the brandability thing - talk about tv, just don't see that as justification of a 40k price tag.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

Originally Posted by idevelop.tv

I would of sold at 40k... nice sale indeed.

I'd have sold at 20k

Originally Posted by Jimbojimbo

How much would the price have been if TALK.tv was a standard renewal?

$40k, assuming the seller was the same.

Good to see such sales in .tv though.

Keith · 11-16-2011, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by mwzd

I don't see it as 'one of the absolute best .tv', could you care to elaborate? I must be missing something. I get the brandability thing - talk about tv.

Are you from the states? Here, shows like Oprah, Ellen, Letterman, Leno...these are called talk shows. The market for talk tv is enormous and I believe the buyer got a great deal.

Lol I just noticed you are NOT from the states. That is most likely why our views are a bit different.

Jimbojimbo · 11-16-2011, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by mwzd

$40k, assuming the seller was the same.

Your answer about "How much would the price have been if TALK.tv was a standard renewal?" is quite correct assuming the seller had an amount already in his head and the buyer hit the 'sweet spot'.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

My point, however, was that the 'sweet spot' for the seller would have been a lot higher had he the knowledge that his name was premium free.

From my own experience I have owned the same name, first as a premium and second as a standard renewal. My view of its value was dramatically different in each case.

Perception is all and the fact that over half of all the one-time premiums I have tracked since March 2010 have been dropped is enough proof of how people really see legacy premium names in 2011.

Nobody but a crazy guy or those with deep pockets seriously wants to be holding on to a $650 a year legacy premium when similar names cost $20 a year to renew.

This was an exceptional sale and my hat goes off to the seller in having the confidence to hold on.

In the real world legacy premiums are the domain of the soon to be bankrupt and those who have failed spectacularly as .tv investors have ALWAYS failed to see this point.

MicroGuy · 11-16-2011, 02:01 PM

Interesting sale.

If a company with deep pockets purchased this domain, the premium renewal fee is negligible, ridiculous but negligible. I think the true concern should be the many legal issues and potential risks of developing a ccTLD. Of course if they own TALK.COM this is not a concern as they have a fail-over domain.

Until .TV gains gTLD status it will continue to be shunned by diligent corporations that have done their homework. IMO.

Keith · 11-16-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

I think the true concern should be the many legal issues and potential risks of developing a ccTLD. Of course if they own TALK.COM this is not a concern as they have a fail-over domain.

Legal issues in what way? Talk.com doesn't even resolve so it's irrelevant if they bought it or didn't buy it. Regarding television specifically, talk.tv is worlds better from a branding standpoint than talk.com could ever be IMO.

SKG · 11-16-2011, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by finster

Being as it was sold on Sedo the buyer may very well not know about the premium.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

Does anyone know if the name has actually transacted yet?

Sedo would not disclose the sale if funds were not received and they have have the domain in a sedo account.

MicroGuy · 11-16-2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Keith

Legal issues in what way? Talk.com doesn't even resolve so it's irrelevant if they bought it or didn't buy it. Regarding television specifically, talk.tv is worlds better from a branding standpoint than talk.com could ever be IMO.

As has been explained here before, the issue is regarding the sovereign nation of Tuvalu and any future decisions regarding the status and requirements of "their" ccTLD. They ultimately dictate the long term decisions made regarding this extension.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

Most companies would never want a third World country telling them what they can and cannot do with their domain. Therefor the only legitimate way to safely develop on .TV is to have the identical name in the .COM as a fail-safe.

This is the primary reason that big business sticks with .COM for their buildouts. IMO.

*LinM* · 11-16-2011, 11:34 PM

This is a great sale for buyer and seller imo. It places out in the open a benchmark value for a stellar .tv domain. Clearly Talk.tv is one of the best, like reality or comedy etc but better.
As for not investing in .tv on the grounds that it is a third world country's extension, I feel this is a somewhat unfounded concern.
As I understand it, Tuvalu's government basically has to sign off any laws it makes that affect national security, foreign policy etc with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London, and Queen Liz has to formally 'ascent' to it. Essentially the UK Prime Minister decides all the important stuff that happens there, with his/her advisers.
The UK government directly and indirectly are the backstop 'owners' of more ccTLD than any other entity in the world, BY FAR. I think they have like 25 or so because they insisted on seperate ccTLD for almost all overseas territories, even uninhabited colonies like .gs
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628
I think .tv is in as safe hands as any extension can be, and as we have seen with .su even if the nation slips under the waves into history the DNS root entry will remain.

donnied79 · 11-17-2011, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

As has been explained here before, the issue is regarding the sovereign nation of Tuvalu and any future decisions regarding the status and requirements of "their" ccTLD. They ultimately dictate the long term decisions made regarding this extension.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

Most companies would never want a third World country telling them what they can and cannot do with their domain. Therefor the only legitimate way to safely develop on .TV is to have the identical name in the .COM as a fail-safe.

This is the primary reason that big business sticks with .COM for their buildouts. IMO.

I think nobody is really scared about the future of dot tv.
Dot tv sales grows every day and you don't need to have the .com to build a business on it cause it's very well recognized.
I doubt talk.net would sell for 40K....

MicroGuy · 11-17-2011, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by LinM

This is a great sale for buyer and seller imo. It places out in the open a benchmark value for a stellar .tv domain. Clearly Talk.tv is one of the best, like reality or comedy etc but better.
As for not investing in .tv on the grounds that it is a third world country's extension, I feel this is a somewhat unfounded concern.
As I understand it, Tuvalu's government basically has to sign off any laws it makes that affect national security, foreign policy etc with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London, and Queen Liz has to formally 'ascent' to it. Essentially the UK Prime Minister decides all the important stuff that happens there, with his/her advisers.
The UK government directly and indirectly are the backstop 'owners' of more ccTLD than any other entity in the world, BY FAR. I think they have like 25 or so because they insisted on seperate ccTLD for almost all overseas territories, even uninhabited colonies like .gs
I think .tv is in as safe hands as any extension can be, and as we have seen with .su even if the nation slips under the waves into history the DNS root entry will remain.

I agree that .TV is safe.

There is no question in my mind about the safety of the extension. The concern (as I understand it) of multinationals and other large corps is the potential of change in registration requirements and premium fees. These are subject to modification basically at anytime at the order of the Tuvaluan government.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628
There are several known examples of this in history. I think that .SC is one such example in that they increased renewals something that 4X in a single year with no advance notice. We have seen these wild fee changes in .TV already with premiums becoming non-premium and non-premiums becoming premium.

It is this uncertainty that will cause .TV to be forever a niche extension and a secondary registration after the .COM unless it is adopted and approved as a gTLD. This does not mean that money cannot be made in .TV. But I think this knowledge can be helpful when deciding purchasing/selling strategies.

hullswingerscom · 11-17-2011, 06:21 AM

maybe a buyer may have to pay more for a premium name $650 a year .
why becouse the price the domainer is paying each year tells the buyer he value this name and dot tv....(maybe)
i think microguy is spot on again....good post

rokoroko · 11-17-2011, 11:36 AM

this sale has proved having strong keyword TV DN and confidence in high price could pay off finaly .

I hope, I have both with my signature TV DN and will have a chance to present here the "sale of the year" too.

finster · 11-17-2011, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by RPK

IMO if they buyer paid $40k hes not going to care about the $650 a year

I agree it is a fairly nominal amount. But persons here expressed the opinion "think how much it would have sold for without the premium". We dont know if the buyer even knows about it since Sedo policy is to not disclose registration fees. Whether they did know or not we dont have any basis for beliveing they would have paid any more for it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

Obviously there is another "mini-bubble" brewing in .tv land. How many of these have we seen in the last 10 years? .TV gets "hot" for a little while then peters out to almost nothing again leaving behind a bunch of stung buyers and relived/elated sellers.

I understand and appreciate that speculators have a vested interest in taking advantage of these swells, but that doesnt mean that .tv will is or will become a decent investment vehicle for non-developioing speculators.

Since we dont yet know who the talk.tv buyer is we dont know what their intentions are, if they're television producers or domain investors. If they are industry and have a brand to make then the money they paid is likely immaterial, perhaps 1% of budget. If investors I'd hazard they will never recoup that money and some day we'll probably see it drop just as soon as they realize that spending good money after bad simply doesnt make much economic sense.

defaultuser · 11-17-2011, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by finster

I understand and appreciate that speculators have a vested interest in taking advantage of these swells, but that doesnt mean that .tv will is or will become a decent investment vehicle for non-developioing speculators.

I agree and am eagerly waiting to see how you are working on developing you 1 or 2 .TV investments

---------- Post added at 11:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:31 PM ----------

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

The concern (as I understand it) of multinationals and other large corps is the potential of change in registration requirements and premium fees. These are subject to modification basically at anytime at the order of the Tuvaluan government.

At anytime? Based on what? I'd like to understand how the situation is different for .com, .co.uk, .de, .xxx, .co.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

Where is it written in stone that .COM will be $8 from now until eternity?

Serious question.

Who controls .com pricing?

Four price raises allowed in their Six year contract and Verisign have done so .. 4 times. At the end of the contract what next?

ICANN is a non-profit but you know, executives cost a lot and reserves are low... so pricing is rock solid?

Once upon a time European Govt Bonds were considered safe investment... and U.S. Real Estate a bad one (oh, how times change).

.CO/.XXX - I presume these are terrible investments for the same reason?

finster · 11-17-2011, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by defaultuser

I agree and am eagerly waiting to see how you are working on developing you 1 or 2 .TV investments

No more eagerly than I.

I still am not sure how I am going to solve the problem of utilizing the names I have in an effective manner and mine the brand potential. I've tossed around a lot of ideas but nothing is clear. It could turn out that I've made the largest financial mistake of my life.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

I suppose I ought to be standing shoulder to shoulder with the boosters trying to unload some/all of my holdings while theres a "hot market" to sell into.

MicroGuy · 11-18-2011, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by defaultuser

At anytime? Based on what? I'd like to understand how the situation is different for .com, .co.uk, .de, .xxx, .co.

Where is it written in stone that .COM will be $8 from now until eternity?

Serious question.

Who controls .com pricing?

Four price raises allowed in their Six year contract and Verisign have done so .. 4 times. At the end of the contract what next?

ICANN is a non-profit but you know, executives cost a lot and reserves are low... so pricing is rock solid?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628

Once upon a time European Govt Bonds were considered safe investment... and U.S. Real Estate a bad one (oh, how times change).

.CO/.XXX - I presume these are terrible investments for the same reason?

Great points to ponder. Will be letting this swim around in my head for the next few days.

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htmlindex NamePros Legend Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,355	Definitely a very nice sale indeed! Congrats to the previous owner __________________ Domain Hack For Sale: Buchare.st - Capital & largest city in Romania. Expires 2015, PM if interested. Top Rated Web Hosting

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Keith Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: "D" town Posts: 3,617	Great sale but I would have held out for a bit more. That's one of the absolute best .tv IMO. Very nice for the buyer

11-16-2011, 02:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jimbojimbo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,951	This name was a $650 a year premium and yet still achieved $40k For those with legacy premium names hanging around their necks this gives some hope. However, for those with quality names that are standard renewal this is great news. How much would the price have been if TALK.tv was a standard renewal? __________________ blah blah blah

11-16-2011, 02:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
MicroGuy Miembro Especial Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Fourth Density Posts: 6,831	Interesting sale. If a company with deep pockets purchased this domain, the premium renewal fee is negligible, ridiculous but negligible. I think the true concern should be the many legal issues and potential risks of developing a ccTLD. Of course if they own TALK.COM this is not a concern as they have a fail-over domain. Until .TV gains gTLD status it will continue to be shunned by diligent corporations that have done their homework. IMO. __________________ ...... Astral Projectors Do It In A Vortex!

11-16-2011, 11:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
LinM NamePros Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 96	This is a great sale for buyer and seller imo. It places out in the open a benchmark value for a stellar .tv domain. Clearly Talk.tv is one of the best, like reality or comedy etc but better. As for not investing in .tv on the grounds that it is a third world country's extension, I feel this is a somewhat unfounded concern. As I understand it, Tuvalu's government basically has to sign off any laws it makes that affect national security, foreign policy etc with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London, and Queen Liz has to formally 'ascent' to it. Essentially the UK Prime Minister decides all the important stuff that happens there, with his/her advisers. The UK government directly and indirectly are the backstop 'owners' of more ccTLD than any other entity in the world, BY FAR. I think they have like 25 or so because they insisted on seperate ccTLD for almost all overseas territories, even uninhabited colonies like .gs ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=737628 I think .tv is in as safe hands as any extension can be, and as we have seen with .su even if the nation slips under the waves into history the DNS root entry will remain.

11-17-2011, 06:21 AM	#20 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,409	maybe a buyer may have to pay more for a premium name $650 a year . why becouse the price the domainer is paying each year tells the buyer he value this name and dot tv....(maybe) i think microguy is spot on again....good post

11-17-2011, 11:36 AM	#21 (permalink)
rokoroko Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,081	this sale has proved having strong keyword TV DN and confidence in high price could pay off finaly . I hope, I have both with my signature TV DN and will have a chance to present here the "sale of the year" too. __________________ AmoledTV.com StockExchange.TV

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