slobizman

I have not kept up with the .TV tld, but I own the great domain Degree.TV and am thinking of putting a site on it. But I would like to learn what impact on SEO the .TV tld has, if any. Obviously I understand that there will be no typein's. Just checking if there is any downgrade in SEO or ranking due to the TLD, or perhaps even an upranking since one must pay so much to buy the domain name, the likelyhood of spam is lower.

Thanks.

garptrader

Competition for the search phrase, site age, content, backlinks and other factors come into play, but thus far it seems my .NET sites are outranking the .TV sites.

One of my .TV sites is one page 12 of Google for the domain keyword. I can see that the .COM registrant has a minisite, apparently bought the domain in late 2007 and developed the minisite in 2008. In the last few months I have seen no updates to the .COM site and using Yahoo Site Explorer I see no backlinks. My site doesn't have a tremendous amount of text or backlinks and it is obviously younger but the .COM site is at the top of page two. Same keyword domain...

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Arguments for and against SEO issues...

BTW - nice domain you have there

shocko

This was discussed a while back and LocalExperts had the view that Google didn't treat .TV's very well compared to .com or .net's etc but that they did fine with Yahoo and Bing.

We did find some examples at the time of some .TV's ranking well but there wasn't very many and I think LocalExperts is completely right in saying that Google doesn't rank .TV's well. I'm guessing that they see .TV's as a Country Code Top Level Domain rather than a Top Level Domain.

I have two active .TV websites and here's how they rank. (Tattoo.TV & TravelGuide.TV)

Search Term - 'Tattoo'

Google (Not in Top 500)
Yahoo 9th
Bing 5th

Search Term - 'Travel Guide'
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Google (Not in Top 500)
Yahoo 14th
Bing 10th

It's not a ban or anything because we are no.1 on Google for 'Tattoo TV' and 'Travel Guide TV' and Google sends quite a bit of traffic for other search terms but not for the main keyword.

Does anybody have any .TV domains that rank well for there main keyword?

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garptrader

I was not aware of LocalExperts' comments regarding .tv positioning. But I have sensed it treats .net more favorably based on limited experience. I do have one very new site Rutinas.tv which for the phrase "rutinas de gimnasio" is on the second page of Google. Another relatively new site, CircuitTraining.tv ranks on page two of Google for "circuit training routines." I suppose with limited competition, you can still rank. I have also seen that my VestidosdeNovia.tv site receives light but consistent traffic from Latin America even though it isn't on the first ten pages of either Yahoo or Google in the US. So the search ranking must vary by country.

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slobizman

All very interesting and much appreciated.

Perhaps using my DistanceLearning.net over Degree.Tv for another somewhat related idea I have would be better.

lincolndsp

i think that high ranking in Yahoo is contributed not by the fact that Yahoo likes .tv more than Google, just Yahoo gives a lot of weight to keyword rich domains.

to know the truth, it would be better to have an experiment with identical keyword .net(or any other gTLD) and .tv domains created at the same date, stuffed each with unique but different content of equal quality, no backlinks, etc. And then see we'd see how they would rank.
IMO it would give the most valid results as to the G. treatment of .tv.

lzy

...plus the fact that it's a non-premium!

I did have one pretty neat .TV ranking page 1 on Google for its keyword but after selling it, the owner parked it and now it's nowhere to be found.

Google the term "fansub" and see what's the first result.

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slobizman

So, given the same content, would an ExactKeywordPhrase.tv be better than a .com without the exact keyword phrase? I've had no problem getting .com's ranked on page 1 where the subject matter does not relate in the slightest to the domain name.

But then again, I would think that Google would have to give a high ranking to an exact phrase match, even on a TV domain, with a site that that is properly SEO-optimized and is a "real site" with lots of real content (as opposed to just an adsense site).

Thoughts?

lincolndsp

the same content is not good because any of the sites maybe imposed a filter on due to duplicate content issues.

slobizman

I'm not saying to do it, I'm speaking hypothetically. What if?

lincolndsp

can't say for sure without an experiment.

garptrader

As I stated, .net appears to be ranking well in Google for an exact match domain. I have two Spanish wedding dress sites, one a .TV another a .Info created around the same time. Neither one has an incredible amount of textual content but they have an appropriate design, some nice pictures and relevant videos. Actually I intentionally placed the best pictures and videos on the .TV domain and spent more effort on link exchanges on the .TV site. The phrases are different so theoretically the competition varies but the .Info is on the lower part of page one or the top of page two of Google while the .TV is on page twelve. A .COM minisite for the second phrase varies between the bottom of page one and the top of page two of Google (it is older but only about a year old by my estimation and has no backlinks).
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Google's own statements on it pretty much boil down to globals having an advantage out the gate, but after a period of being established, everyone settles onto pretty much equal footing with content quality being the prime driver in rankings. The specifics of the time frames are unstated.

Google has apparently done some work on transcribing (to text) technology for video, whether and to what extent that is deployed remains unknown, although empirically this seems to be still in development. This opens up some interesting possibilities, either now or in the future.

It does seem that Google has a pretty strong association on some level with TV and television, which can be seen on default adsense choices before the domain is analyzed by the spiders. Will be interesting to see if they lean towards weighing video content on TV sites more heavily in the future.

Yahoo seems to be much more tied to exact keyword value, although there seems to be some bias towards globals. However this seems to be slightly biased towards the global tlds, or maybe this is due to the amount of sites present in competition. Not tested. If this is the case, I wouldn't be surprised if Yahoo is treating TV as a global in this regard.

If you are holding TVs and not ready to develop fully yet, it might be worth considering setting up a "placeholder" site. As google gets more sophisticated, domain age could well be counted from the point of site activity rather than the initial registration point. This is pure speculation, but would not be unsurprising. Anyone's guess, but I think it might be worth it if you are planning a long range hold for strategic reasons.

At this point, if you are optimizing and have a fairly new site, their might be advantages to optimizing towards Yahoo or Bing. Google optimization is probably possible, but the cat isn't out of the bag on that one yet, could be a tough climb for at least the first year or two.
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Of interest is that the webmasters tools feedback area has a fair amount of support for full selection of targeting regardless of the extension. The argument being that companies may be primarily doing business in areas that are outside of their native regions, or at least in different regions than their servers. Tough call on how that will play out, but it could open the door for some interesting shakeups down the road.

All in all, Google's long term plans remain a mystery. The only known is that it will continue to evolve in sophistication. Short range strategies may vary considerably from midterm to longterm strategies.

The web is an evolving system, all we can do as domainers is watch the trends and place our bets.

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