[NPQueen]

After hearing many complaints and reading through pages and pages of posts and threads, it has been determined that a change needs to take place in the .TV forum yet again.

While reading through the posts and threads it is obvious that there is a lot of passion in regards to this particular extension here. That within itself is a good thing, the problems arise when those who have a different point of view are being shunned. This is a "Discussion" forum. Discussions allow for multiple sides, those that are for,those that are against, those that are showing an interest in, etc. This has not been the case in the .TV forum for a very long time.

It was our hope that with the last moderator change in this forum that things would be handled differently, this was not the case. As a result, we are again going to be replacing the .TV Forum Moderators in hopes that things will change. Until such time that there is a new moderator, RJ, Jennifer and myself will be moderating this forum.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/588920-concerns-about-the-tv-forum.html

If you would like to create a Social Group which can be invite only that may be a good thing for you. Then only those who you wish to participate can. If you would like to do this, please let me know and I will arrange for that.

~Rachel, Ron and Jennifer

[the dot stop]

Sad.
If I could help I would in a heartbeat!
Half of my .tv Posts I start off in the General Domain Discussion Forum, but then they get moved.
I like point-counterpoint, but of course I, myself am passionate about the extension...just like others who favor- .mobi, or .tel, or LLLL's etc.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920
This isnt suppose to be a fight here.
I love the fact that he likes .us, and she likes .cc
It gives us all a little breathing room to define our niches.

I love .tv, and I am not easily offended if others dont,
but we should all work together to push domains as a whole group.

The sales speak for themselves.

I seem to be babbling here but I would help in any way I could, if needed.

I really would rather not potentially lose the .tv forum.

It is a small passionate bunch, but they have helped me out considerably!

There are some great Members who would do well here...
or bring Equity back!!!
LOL

[www.AmCy.org]

Quite a bit of strange chaos in the dot-TV forum lately. IMO, cleaning house -- in more ways than one -- is the right way to go.

Still my favorite place to discuss dot-TV domains, and I don't think that'll ever change. Still LOTS of great people who frequent this forum; they start and contribute to insightful and meaningful threads.

Long live the dot-TV forum, and long live dot-TV!

AmCy

[the dot stop]

Well,
It sure seems like about the hardest position to have here at NP...
being a .tv Moderator.

First off,
was Equity, who was awesome!

Then 2 awesome NP/tv members...
.tv, and AMCY

Now,
RJ, NP Queen, AND Jennifer...???!!!
Wow, That is Alot of attention!
I believe now we can say...
the .tv Forum is now considered "special" LOL

[.tv]

Thanks for everyone for their support, and I've learned a lot from this professional & exclusive .TV forum. There is no doubt that the .tv forum will be moderated in the best possible way by the direct supervision of RJ, NPQ, and Jennifer.

I wish everyone a huge success with their endeavors in .TV.

Cheers,
DJ.

[Len]

I personally don't know of any .tver that has gone into any other NP's sub-forum and continually argued against a particular ext.

TBH I cannot see any reason why anyone would do this........If you don't like an ext then that's fine, that is your choice, your decision.......There is no reason for you to be in the .tv forum if that is the way you think.

It seems that the following analogy applies: In hard times animals will do anything to survive, they will even turn on their young and eat them if they have too.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920
As domainers, we are currently affected by the Global recession and also in "hard times". This IMO has cause some to voiciferously turn on .tv and, metaphorically speaking, begin to devour it as they see this as a threat to their survival.

We know .tv is not and never will be the same as most other extensions, that is exactly the reason why this sub-forum has thrived in the past. It is different.....It is not a "Cult".... it is where the most experienced and knowlegeable in this ext have resided over the past few years. They have shared that knowledge with those who asked or needed help and advice.
Sure there are things we don't like about the ext......Nobody likes the premium pricing, but it is there, it is a fact of life that there are premium .tv's.

Like I said, nobody I know likes the premiums, however they are just a small percentage of the ext and to have the premiums touted as the downfall of the ext on a daily basis is wrong and unacceptable and should have been stopped a long time ago.

[equity78]

Len its all been fixed check your invitation its .tv sub forum circa 2005-2006 WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO MACHINE. http://www.namepros.com/groups/89-dot-tv-nation.html

Thank you Rachel for the idea.

[garptrader]

So now all the experienced .TVers go to a private discussion group and everyone else is left debating with those who despise .TV . I don't believe I have ever commented on the .TEL, .BIZ, .US or 4-letter forums. Well, I suppose that leaves me with one option...

[vincenzo]

Originally Posted by equity78

Len its all been fixed check your invitation its .tv sub forum circa 2005-2006 WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO MACHINE. http://www.namepros.com/groups/89-dot-tv-nation.html ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920 Thank you Rachel for the idea.

Will I get an invite - please?
Thanks,

- Vince

[poiuytrewq]

This place needs a real sort out for sure. I know of no other domain forum like the .TV forum.

[NPQueen]

We would really like it if you could participate in both the private Social Group as well as in .TV forum. We are constantly having new members join and for many different reasons. I think it would be a great disservice for those who are not in the Social Group to miss out on the vast amounts of knowledge that you all have to offer. Please just consider this request

I have been going through and cleaning up some of the threads. There are some great topics that got ruined by the arguments. Please do not be offended by this, I would like this forum to serve as many people as possible without them having to deal with the recent internal issues, it is a turn off for this forum when new members come and read a thread that ends with arguments that have little to do with the main topic.

[poiuytrewq]

Originally Posted by NPQueen

We would really like it if you could participate in both the private Social Group as well as in .TV forum. We are constantly having new members join and for many different reasons. I think it would be a great disservice for those who are not in the Social Group to miss out on the vast amounts of knowledge that you all have to offer. Please just consider this request I have been going through and cleaning up some of the threads. There are some great topics that got ruined by the arguments. Please do not be offended by this, I would like this forum to serve as many people as possible without them having to deal with the recent internal issues, it is a turn off for this forum when new members come and read a thread that ends with arguments that have little to do with the main topic.

You are doing a great job NPQueen. We could have done with you a couple of years ago but alas...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920

I can see it going from strength to strength now! Thanks!

[TheBulldog]

I really need to stop in more often.

[Jeff]

It's going to take a bit of time (and patience) in order to balance out some of the previous tone and entitlements, but I can already see the positive changes and hope for more open, inclusive, and balanced professional topical discussion ... here in the #1 .TV Forum™, IMHO.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920

There are many here on the site who may have an interest (everyone's interest level will be different), and while they may not always post ... it's important that they are able to view and interpret all topics and posts, opinions, suggestions, personal experiences, what to-do's and what not-to-do's, associated costs and risks, development ideas, monetization strategies, etc. in order for them to make the best decision(s) for their own personal situation!

Thank you and best regards,
-Jeff

[equity78]

First off if people are looking to deal in fantasy, then place tm's and bold what ever you like.

Secondly there is now a social group for those who wanted to avoid the nonsense of Jeff, it was created for that reason, and several people have left,including longtime member Argos who pmmed me today telling me he was leaving Namepros as he was disgusted.

Entitlement ? This forum was started for one reason, for those who were interested and owned .tv to be able to speak about it with like minded people. Stating from day 1, don't like .tv ? Great you have a place to express that in domain discussion.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920

At the end of the day I created a place on NP to get them away from the person they despise and who do not want to be in grade school with a million smiley faces and ???????

Problem solved.

[Len]

Here, here.....I don't want to participate in a forum that has been taken over by those whose agenda is to destroy it.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Len

Here, here.....I don't want to participate in a forum that has been taken over by those whose agenda is to destroy it.

How can openning up the discussion(s) for all opinions and points of view, with fair & equal OPEN sharing of information and personal commentary (unique to each member's personal experiences and individual levels of interest) ... be in any way destructive?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920

"Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness." -James Thurber

Kind regards,
-Jeff

[RogueWriter]

Eh, I guess it's a question of wanting to be something to everyone rather than something special for those most interested and involved in that topic.

[localexperts]

When long time posters leave namepros because of another poster, that is destructive. Many long time posters are naming you as the reason why they don't want to participate on this forum.

If you worked for me, you would getting thrown out of my office every day because when you express a contrarian viewpoint, you can't effectively articulate your counterpoint - due to the fact that your argument is crude and unsophisticated.

A person who has a different opinion is never a problem. A person who can't communicate their viewpoint is like a cancer that eats away at an organization.

[shaper]

It is unfortunate that divisiveness has pretty much shattered this forum, and it does dis-service to the extension as moving to another forum puts it further out of the public eye. However, there is work to be done, so the first order of business is having a place where that is possible without constant disruption.

While there is a private community, posts are extremely limited in length and not suitable for carrying out meaningful topic discussions that require a depth of consideration.

In a lot of ways I think the group is over-reacting. Over the last few months I have noticed a considerable attempt to be more moderate in comments that were generally not agreed with, on the part of those making those statements. However it is also becoming increasingly clear that the issues are long running and deeply entrenched and unlikely to be resolved reasonably. While a limited amount of reasoned debate is useful, the constant battle between those with a vested interest in the extension and those seeking to undermine that interest is tiring and counter-productive.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920

Extensive participation in the marketplace by people who are actively suppress the market is not encouraging. It is one thing to be actively involved and to state an opinion about the extension or assets within the extension and their current relative value, it is another thing entirely to actively attempt to subvert those values when it is clear that their is no involvement in that extension beyond trying to get a rise out of active investors.

I feel it is important to be able to discuss the advantages and disadvantages that I see in the extension and its involved areas, to have access to an open market place and to fairly weigh the merits of a commodity that I am considering buying or selling. That purpose is subverted regularly in these forums, thereby defeating its stated purpose. It is pretty much a waste of time when discussion after discussion gets derailed by personality conflicts, particularly those that degenerate into pointing fingers and shouting rather than staying on an articulate level. This is even more substantially problematic when many of those posting frequently appear not invested in the discussion for the purpose of present or future investment.

I do not particularly understand why those who have no stake in the game, sit at the table and criticize the active players and their decisions, are considered valuable assets to the community. While some balance of viewpoint is healthy, repetitive destructive behavior is not beneficial to any of the parties involved.

In a poker game, it is poor form to tell others how to play. You make your investment or get out of the pot. If you aren't involved in the game, then you stand behind the rail and let the game play or go find a game you are interested in playing. You don't talk about the hand unless you are in the pot, even more so if you are not seated at the table. There is a huge difference between sitting out a hand and waiting for a better opportunity than sitting down at the table with no stake in the game and telling every one that they are playing wrong and they have no business being there.

It pretty much comes down to trade or get off the floor. If you are involved in what's going on, then its reasonable to speculate about the activities. If your only interest is to disrupt the proceedings then you should be given a lot less latitude in terms of your behavior.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920

Ultimately though, the action is where the action is.

Time is a commodity, and I can't monitor every place on the net on a regular basis. If the discussion moves and the active and knowledgeable people with it, then I intend to spend the majority of my available time speaking with people who are actually attempting to get something accomplished. If this requires a change of venue, then that is what it requires. I would prefer to see the community stay intact and the problems to be resolved. However, if forced to choose, I will choose a constructive environment over a destructive one without hesitation.

[treebytheriver]

Why the hate people? If you spent the time developing your sites, whether they are tv .com .info, .biz, or .pro, and truly have great content, updated regularly, you can make money. Get off the freaking forums and start working. The days of flipping are over, unless you secured great keywords in the 90's. Make your brand work for you. It's not so hard.

[.tv]

Here's the quote of the original post by the .MOBI forum moderator -REECE-, which outlines the new rules of the .MOBI forum:

Originally Posted by -REECE-

Well there's certainly been no shortage of complaints and to be honest, I'm tired of seeing threads and posts on the same topics over and over again myself. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920 Below are a few types of threads/posts which I personally am sick and tired of seeing -- anyone who visits this forum everyday knows these questions have received answers from both sides too many times already and debating them any further serves no purpose whatsoever. 1. My iPhone displays sites perfectly, why do we need a mobile web? 2. .mobi is 1 letter longer than .com. Doesn't this make it a bad choice for a mobile web extension? 3. Why do we need .mobi, can't we just use device autodetection on a .com domain? 4. Comparisons to prices seen in 2006 -- Yeah, we all know Flowers.mobi wouldn't fetch 200k today.. No need to look for trouble by reminding anyone here of that. 5. Anything about .tel being better than .mobi -- the 2 extensions have absolutely nothing in common so there really is nothing to compare. It's not about getting rid of "naysayers", it's about making sure members here enjoy their time spent in the Namepros .mobi forum because meaningful discussion is taking place. Your turn to speak up

The .MOBI forum moderator likes to see like minded people and constructive discussions, because the forum is an exclusive forum for .MOBI domainers.

Like that, I think the purpose of this exclusive .TV forum is to discuss about .TV by the people who really interested in this extension, IMO.

It's completely meaningless to operate a dedicated .TV forum for .TV domainers which is constantly getting immature posts and appraisals by people who have absolutely NO interest/experience at all in this extension. If your goal is to bring a dedicated sub-forum for .TV domainers, then please take the necessary steps rather than guarding baboons.

[NPQueen]

I can see the complete frustration on both sides here. Is there a middle ground where everyone will be happy, probably not. I would like to work to make it a place where business and information can be passed without each thread turning into an argument or debate.

There are going to always be people who do not agree with your point of view. That is one of the things that makes NamePros so unique, you can get both sides of a story here. We are doing the best that we can to make this an enjoyable center for knowledge on the .TV ext. May I suggest that if there is a particular member that you care having difficulty with, use the ignore feature and you will no longer be troubled with viewing what it is that they are saying.

After viewing and moderating threads over the past few days, I honestly feel that there is a place for everyone here. Some need to be less intrusive while I see others who could stand to be a little more lenient and not so quick to argue.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588920

If you are asked for information that you do not what to provide to the public that is your right by all means, however, it will frustrate those who are really trying to get a grasp on this very unique market and ext.

[MillersCrossing]

Originally Posted by NPQueen

I can see the complete frustration on both sides here. Is there a middle ground where everyone will be happy, probably not. I would like to work to make it a place where business and information can be passed without each thread turning into an argument or debate. There are going to always be people who do not agree with your point of view. That is one of the things that makes NamePros so unique, you can get both sides of a story here. We are doing the best that we can to make this an enjoyable center for knowledge on the .TV ext. May I suggest that if there is a particular member that you care having difficulty with, use the ignore feature and you will no longer be troubled with viewing what it is that they are saying. After viewing and moderating threads over the past few days, I honestly feel that there is a place for everyone here. Some need to be less intrusive while I see others who could stand to be a little more lenient and not so quick to argue. If you are asked for information that you do not what to provide to the public that is your right by all means, however, it will frustrate those who are really trying to get a grasp on this very unique market and ext.

you ask for a little more leniency & middle ground yet treebytheriver was banned for saying something very inconspicuous...She did not even mention another forums name....

read all her posts - never once did she have an argument with anyone on the forum....

And yet Jeff, who has pissed off more people in the last month than for the entire time anyone did in the last three years, who was banned by a mod, miracuously resurfaced....

You ask for level headidness....how about a level playing field.....

---------- Post added at 07:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:15 PM ----------

Originally Posted by freedom30

hey Millsey, My comment to EQ was deleted as well. No good deed goes unpunished, I guess. As Boris Badinov once said: "Haw Boi, am I in trouble!!!"

perhaps np queen will do the right thing this time & answer my question ...

[RJ]

The playing field is fair. The rules are clearly posted.

NamePros.com - FAQ: NamePros.Com Site Rules

---------- Post added at 08:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:51 PM ----------

Originally Posted by MillersCrossing

perhaps np queen will do the right thing this time & answer my question ...

Where's the question?