mwzd

End users are not being held to ransom, a simple swot analysis will have them buying domains in other tlds without the premium pricing or the other issues involved.
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Television in itself is reaching the end of its lifecycle, the extension is too. I've seen hundreds of keywordtv.tlds being advertised everyday.

Nobody 'has' to have a keyword.tv, not if they're serious about development and promotion, it can just as well be done on any other extension, probably cheaper too.

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Do you have a tv at home? What about your parents oryour children, your brothers, sisters, nieces, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends acquaintences , neighbours, gardeners, cleaners, auto repair shops, ehm...sorry its such a small list....

equity78

Where I agree Samit you can use keywordtv.com/net/org I own many, Television is going nowhere, anyone thinking there will not be televisions in peoples houses IMO are just kidding themself or have some other agenda. Television will be here long after the youngest members of this forum are no longer here and I wish everyone long life. Television will still be there, because you hook your monitor or what have you and use some other protocol, SONY and LG and all the major networks are not spending what they are spending because television is going away, but to each their own, I have no worry about Television.

Millers at least the $100 was nice for the survey, still haven't used it yet.

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Yes and the others do too.

What does that have to do with the .tv extension?

In its current avatar where you can 'select' only broadcast or cable channels, it is at the end of its lifecycle.

With convergence, your cellphone, laptop and television will integrate into one unit and people will be able to 'select' a web based entertainment network just as easily as the existing broadcast and cable shows, with the additional benefits of interactivity etc.

I'll say again though, what exactly does this have to do with the extension? Just as .mobi is NOT the default extension for mobile browsers, .tv can be is being replaced by other tlds because of the pricing issues primarily.

I can start a website on a .ag today and if a person can 'select' it using his/her tv remote the extension is only a marketing ploy. Its not like you can't start a tv channel without a top grade .tv domain?

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Yes and this is one of the main reasons I respect your opinion, because you're level headed from an investment perspective, even though you might be totally pro .tv in development and other aspects.

This is where we differ, I too understand where they're coming from but to me they sound like a cult.

Exactly right, you can start a website or a tv channel or any other business on a multitude of extensions and as a business you need to decide if the brandability advantages of using live.tv over live.ag (not fair to compare different keywords ) outweigh the cost saving of the much higher acquisition cost of the .tv + additional annual recurring expenses in terms of renewal fees as against the low cost of acquisition and renewal of the .ag - I've purposely used .ag here, most registrars charge around $95/yr for renewals for these. And this is especially when access technologies to both the domains is identical - via computers and laptops now and via convergence devices, which might or might even be called tvs, in the future.

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Ru serious??

How quickly you forget your own posting...

"Television in itself is reaching the end of its lifecycle"

When none of the list I mentioned have a tv, that is when your statement will have any credibility......

garptrader

Even the most diehard .TVers have to admit the .COM extension is easily recognized and respected by the general public while the premium .tv renewals can make such investments difficult to carry without development. My personal preference is .COM, then .NET (because of the lower annual cost), then .TV. I have a relatively small number of domains in other extensions, .info, .biz, .org, .us but a year from now I will likely hold even fewer domains in these other extensions. I only hold one "premium .tv" whose renewal is $100.

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I have more than 100 .TV domains but I do not have nor will I register even one TV.com. To me TV.com is like slapping an "e" or "i" in front of a keyword domain so you can pick it up reg fee. I suspect (no expert) that for SEO purposes the search engines prefer keyword.tv over keywordTV.com.

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mwzd

Please read the last few posts, I think you may have missed the point entirely.

As for my statement having credibility or not, will leave it up to the masses to decide.

I'll repeat my question though, what does Television have to do with the .tv extension? I could just as easily float a television channel on a .ag domain if I were so inclined.

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of course they do !! "they are not stupid" ...."they" find a way to make money from .tv that others dismiss without doing a little research and choose their .tvs really carefully...

I too would like to own candy.com instead of candy.tv - what does that have to do with making money from .tv??

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You are 100% right - you could . I "get" that just as I get that you dont need .mobi to have a site work on a cellphone...

I am not arguing that point at all..

I was taking issue with YOU saying that tv is reaching the end of its lifecycle...thats the only thing I am saying..like Equity said TV will be around long after both you and me have moved on...our lifecycle will end sooner than tvs...

A little condescending of you to say I missed your point.,.....

Out goes one - in comes another!!

equity78

It is relevant if the name being registered is intuitive and relevant to the project. I think the example of RT.tv is somewhat gray because it was $125 premium, if it was $10,000 a year or $30,000 a year like RE.tv then I do not think Russia Today is buying the name, that is my opinion.

This is a complicated extension, you need to know all the ins and outs, IMO it is a major selling point to an end user like Russia Today to show them the market and that at $125 a year they are getting a real bargain, and that its because you have expertise in the extension and know all the nuances that they are able to understand.

I agree with you that if there is no visual element to the site, there is no need for the extension unless you want it for pure seo, the keyword matches a keyword that is taken in every major tld and cctld. You might say ok, this is getting 500,000 searches a month, you are not using .tv for the nature of TV but you are using it as an available extension for a highly searched keyword.
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This is not an extension for everyone, you cannot just go look up names and reg them and not understand premium pricing, alternatives available, non premium .tv options that are similar to the premium name.

Its really about individual choice, if you think the intuitive nature of Live.tv or LCD.tv is better than Live.ag or LCDTV.net.

.tv has the strengths of being a universally accepted phrase regardless of the language used.

it is intuitive to certain keywords.

it has the negatives of a premium pricing structure that makes no sense unless you have made .tv a major interest.

it has Verisign running the extension, with little in the means of promoting or being registrant friendly.

Either way you do not "NEED" .tv and it does not "NEED" domainers, either way both will be fine. Again IMO

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I have a premium that costs me $XX per day in fees annually. I also have the tv.com as a "back up" that costs me $X per year. I purchased the tv.com, after long negotiations for $x,xxx
Lately Im struggling to think long term about keeping the .tv as it does not make sense in the long term planning of the site.. I would now call it a luxury.
That being said though and knowing the .com (without the tv included) is valued by the owner @ over $1,000,000, which I personally would agree with, do I keep this .tv as a long term investment / flagship name for the site ?!

This is my dilemma... If I keep it for 10 years would the name / investment pay off - with or without a website to go with it.
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Im leaning the way of keeping it, but Im not totally convinced yet. The site will be on line this month, so I will then ask the forum their thoughts.

equity78

You may only need the TV.com for development. You need to decide if you want to pay the premium for 10 years and do you think its worth it ? Again IMO

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'Someone once told me that to write well, you have to write what you know.'

So true - and I am getting back some faith back in Namepros as people with real experience are back talking.



GarpTrader - I was advised by a very wise coder that a good site, with fresh content, lots of links, and relevant metadata, will always get to the top - Google have seen everything the internet can offer - and they tend to know the difference between relevant and not (whether the 'other' Bing is the same I cannot say). Upshot is, Domain.TV with zero relevant content will never get anywhere near DomainTV.com with masses of info and relevant content.

EQ - Once again, you show why you are so very highly respected. One fact you pointed out is so pertinent - TV is understood around the world regardless of language.
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Stutter - I find it interesting that you paid a four-figure sum for a TV.com - REAL MONEY speaks so very loud here in Namepros and your case is actual proof of worth - not theory - so thank you for dispelling the persistent myth that Tv.com is valueless. I am presently going through the process of sale on a TV.com for $1500 and the organisation buying know exactly what they want - and why.

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.TV is the second best extension behind dot com. The person who suggested selling .TV and buy .info (at a recent conference) doesn't know a thing about marketing, branding, or end users. If an end user wants a great brand, but doesn't want to pay $100,000+ for the dot com, paying $3,000 a year for a dot tv is well worth it. You can pay that for 30+ years vs all up front.

Now paying $100,000 for most dot coms. Now, that is crazy. Some dot coms are worth six figures. But I know many dot coms that are being offered for 10X their real value.

equity78

TV.com certainly is not worthless, what happens is some like to say "Oh that is ugly" OK IYO its ugly, so what ? Someone may think you are ugly or your house is ugly or your car is ugly but if it works for you, you probably could care less what a stranger who does nothing for your like in a positive manner thinks about your ugly house or car.
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There are plenty of TV.com that are developed and there are plenty of LLtv in com/net/org used. I own plenty of LLtv.net/.org they are easy to remember and brand, and they all get some traffic, not huge but some 50 to 100 a month. Now take 20 of them and thats 1000 to 2000 uniques a month, point that at a developed site and you got 2000 right off the bat. The beauty about the LLtv is you may not know exactly what they are looking for, but you can be 99% sure its something video/watchable related. So maybe you have a site that is about entertainment or a videoblog you got 2000 viewers who stumbled upon the site now maybe 30 % or 600 like the content and will come back to watch the site on a daily basis. So IMO tv.com/net/org worth the reg fee. I have sold a tv.net for $999. I just sold 3 that were hand regs, big money ? NO, but 30 times profit, that's not bad IMO.

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Yes, and they also have a radio, a mobile phone and a toaster.

The fact is .tv domains are not something most companies want or need and nobody is "being held to ransom", as stated there is plenty of alternatives and even for purely video sites the vast majority of companies go with regular extensions.
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Verisign will charge whatever maximises profits for them, that will never be consistent with what domainers want. Think of it as a see saw with Verisign on one side and domainers on the other. As Verisign's profit side goes up, the domainers goes down.

The is some truth to samit's comment "Television in itself is reaching the end of its lifecycle", it is slowly becoming a dated medium, it will likely be around for a long time yet but it is not #1 anymore for the current generation. Their primary source of entertainment is the Internet. I think it is probably where the newspaper industry was 10 years ago.

localexperts

Nothing has reached its lifecycle more than the yellowpages. How much did Bell South and SBC pay for YellowPages.com. Has anyone looked on Google tools for the number of searches for "yellow pages".

TV might phase out over the next 50-75 years, but as long as this population is still around - that brand has value

My six year old asks to watch TV.

.tv

Samit,
I agree that you can broadcast a tv channel on any extension.

Why do have different extensions like .mobi, .pro and many such extensions if we can just use the .com? The thing is that people need brandability, and easy reach to attract their targeted users.

A mobile site can be a developed on a .com, and virtually there is NO requirement to use the .MOBI extension. Similarly, a website which is developed on a .co.uk name can be navigated from a .com name also.

There is virtually no need to type a third level domain name (.co.uk) if we have the cheap & alternative .com domain name.

Will it work in the UK? Absolutely, it won't.

I do have many .PRO names. The price for a single .PRO name was around $99 - $150/Yr during 2005. Why some domainers have registered domains under such an expensive TLD, if they had a simple alternate option to register blahblahpro.com instead of blahblah.pro?

I could just as easily float a pro forum or a blog on a .mw domain. Do I really need a .pro then?

.NU cctld is in no way linked with the Scandinavian market, because the .NU cctld is assigned for a tiny island Niue. Why Scandinavian people are using this extension then?

Niue has a total population of 1,400 (as of June 2009).

Are they really using the 100,000+ domains which are mainly owned by the Scandinavian nationals?

The .NU extension is highly popular in Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, and Belgium. Why?

The .NU domain is particularly popular in Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands and Belgium, as "NU" is the word for "Now" in Swedish, Danish and Dutch.
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You can repeatedly ask this question for almost every cctld, and tld, but the answer is simple. Brandability.

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mwzd

I think you're still missing it I've explained my comment about "television coming to the end of its lifecycle" above, if you care to read it. And Equity is talking about television the medium, I'm still to figure out what that has to do with .tv the extension. Specially since everyone is agreeing with that point in the first place that the extension is NOT MANDATORY for the medium.

I assume you mean Jeff leaving and me coming in? Why are you so scared of people who speak their mind? I do own 7 .tvs you know, just trying to figure out if there is something you know that I don't. Or whether the average discussion here is the same as the .asia and .tel discussions - how that extension is going to beat .coms without any substance to prove the assumption.

Thats all I was saying tbh.

But it seems the .tv cult gets really threatened when anyone says anything which is not pro the extension, thats why you need to "man the barricades". Must be tough to live in the middle ages

Because not everyone can afford the .com? And are not willing to use crappy keywords in .com when better keywords are available in other extensions for less money.

Kinda like what I'm saying for .tv too, if its going to cost me $50k to acquire a top .tv name, then i need to pay $5k/yr renewal, that makes my domain costs $100k over a 10 yr period, most will just prefer the .com at 100k and pay it off over a 10 year period. Those who don't have the money might go for another extension at an even lower price point.

No you don't, extension is not that important tbh. Brandability is a factor but what are you willing to pay for it as a company is what my initial mention of swot analysis is.

If you're a startup with 250k in seed funding
1. do you spend $100k on the .com or
2. $10k on the .net or
3. $20k + $2kx10yrs= $40k for the .tv or
4. do you just spend $100-$3000 on the top of the line .pro or
5. do you just spend $10 for a hand reg and promote the hell out of it?

Unless the brand value that the .tv gives you is significantly more than the difference between what the .tv costs and what any other extensions cost, its just not relevant.

After all, if the .tv costs the same as the relevant .com, its pretty much a no brainer what people would go for.


And now I'll take it extension specific to the ones you have mentioned.

.co.uk is widely accepted and used in England, as its their national cctld. Thats why local business aiming for local customers use the extension. I can assure you that .co.uk has more of a future that most of the new stlds going to be launched and in terms of local significance, it has a huge lead over .tv

.pro is a gtld and a lot better than .biz or .info or .name in terms of brandability. Plus the keywords even now available for hand registration in this extension would make a developer drool. I've never proposed people 'invest' in .pro coz it will make them seem more professional.

As for people building mobile sites only on .mobi, you know thats not true, thats why the extensions aftermarket is non-existent. Just like it is for other extensions that have not attained mass market recognition.

Regarding .nu - You answered your own questions tbh - its coz the word has local significance in their local language? That still only makes a market for .nu in Scandinavian countries, not a global mass market.

And now we come to .tv
- it has no local market worth speaking off
- It means television globally but thats about it, it does not 'gain' from this fact.
- A lot of television channels around the world use the keyword.com or keywordtv.com or even keywordtv.cctld. Its not a 'default' extension for television even within webmasters, let alone end users.
- Not everyone is even aware its an extension, pretty much the same problem people have with newer extensions.
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- Plus, and heres the kicker, its a cctld, not a gtld or a stld, so will lose out to a gtld/stld on a global level for the same keyword in seo terms.

So what exactly is the 'significance' of .tv that makes it such a good investment with the crazy renewal prices? My entire .pro portfolio costs less to renew than an average three letter .tv from enom - why then would I spend that much for a .tv, even as a developer?

Brandability or even brandable domains are a dime a dozen and if you have very deep pockets it matters less what the keyword is or isnt, it matters more that its .com, because thats the default tld people attach behind any new 'brand' they hear off. Case to point being Bing! or Google or Yahoo!

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Since I own YELLOWPAGES.PRO and I could have used .PRO or .TV - I will answer the question.

Your analysis is correct. You can pick one of the options you laid out. The issue is that this is subjective. I felt DOT TV was worth the $35 I pay for most domains and the $1000 I pay for Contractors.TV because I want to have a site with shows tailored for each type of professional. I envision the front page showing a schedule with 8:00 Show 1, 8:30 Show 2, etc

I could have picked .PRO or .TV

I picked .TV - was I right or wrong.

It doesn't matter. This is a subjective decision.

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How relevant is .Tv?

IMO,
Most end users barely know .TV exists.
I own just 2, and plan on keeping only one.
A few years ago, my outlook was still upbeat for .TV, but these days it seems like a long-shot.

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As I said earlier Samit, and funny thing I never once have told anyone to reg a .tv ever. This subforum was created for people who already had an interest, so hope you are not saying that the "cult" as you put it has anything related to anything I have written. I have deleted those posts too that were total hype, because no one who is serious here has ever stated .tv would supplant .com as it does not even work for all kinds of words, like i and e or 360,247 or 3 Character because of the premium pricing.
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IMO people need to focus on building a business, website after website, 90 % of all domains in all extensions suck, IMO.
You used to come in here once in awhile, I know you own a few, You have always been a good guy IMO, don't place you and Jeff in the same category, Millers has a right to wonder why someone who maybe he hasn't seen, is posting in a negative tone when someone who was only here to start finally got account closed.

Bottom line this was not started to tout .tv or anything else, it was a place for people interested in the extension to have a place to chat, sort of like a club. Domain discussion always available for those pontificating their tld beliefs, I could care less what anyone thinks, there is not a person here who puts anything in my pocket, I wasted 4 years building a forum for someone else, but I could careless what Snoop, you, Local Experts, Johntv my partner TldNetworks, thinks of any name that I own. No one has written and criticized Verisign more than me, back in 2005 when people were still getting erections from their ppc, I was telling people this is a developers extension, do not reg too many, never a premium over $1000. So a lot of the nonsense that has gone on here has been about people who just look to start, they have no interest in the extension, or the members here, they can show nothing of their own success, (most likely because there is none). Most people who came here only for this sub forum have left, I am not specualating, I have the phone calls,IM's,Tweets,emails and private messages, a new forum without any nonsense that adheres to why this forum was created is doing well and IMO is thee place for .tv now. I will say it again though for everyone new and interested in the .tv extension,
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This is a complicated extension, you need to know all the ins and outs, IMO it is a major selling point to an end user like Russia Today to show them the market and that at $125 a year they are getting a real bargain, and that its because you have expertise in the extension and know all the nuances that they are able to understand.

I agree with you that if there is no visual element to the site, there is no need for the extension unless you want it for pure seo, the keyword matches a keyword that is taken in every major tld and cctld. You might say ok, this is getting 500,000 searches a month, you are not using .tv for the nature of TV but you are using it as an available extension for a highly searched keyword.

This is not an extension for everyone, you cannot just go look up names and reg them and not understand premium pricing, alternatives available, non premium .tv options that are similar to the premium name.

Its really about individual choice, if you think the intuitive nature of Live.tv or LCD.tv is better than Live.ag or LCDTV.net.

.tv has the strengths of being a universally accepted phrase regardless of the language used.

it is intuitive to certain keywords.

it has the negatives of a premium pricing structure that makes no sense unless you have made .tv a major interest.

it has Verisign running the extension, with little in the means of promoting or being registrant friendly.

Either way you do not "NEED" .tv and it does not "NEED" domainers, either way both will be fine. Again IMO

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