Geo .TV is stronger than ever

localexperts · 06-08-2009, 01:26 PM

I have gotten alot of information today. All positive. I think Geo .TV is in the best shape in my two years in this space. Domainer to Domainer Sales volume has declined, but prices have held steady in bad economic times. You also see more end user interest (aka Louisville.TV and Augusta.TV)

I think Geo .TV is poised for continual growth and appreciation as the world economic climate turns around and DOT TV adoption increases.

garptrader · 06-08-2009, 04:35 PM

Local-I hold several smaller city geos and a few regional geo domains (ResearchTriangle, Carolinas, AmericaLatina, Americas). At this point I'm in no rush to sell as they are normal renewals but I haven't seen offers on any of my geos. Perhaps the response will be that they are not high-profile like Miami, Atlanta, NewYork, Orlando, Paris but I'm curious as to any detail you can share regarding behind the scenes action with GEO .TV domains. And how far down the chain does this demand extend?

equity78 · 06-08-2009, 04:49 PM

I mean this with no disrespect because you and I are friends but do you have anything more than that ? This is the kind of thread that just is here to feed the naysayers, I mean you stated something with nothing behind it. Markets are not determined because someone will not sell for less than xxx,xxx. If people in a town did not want to accept the real estate downturn and said we will not sell for less than $400,000 when the average home in their area was selling for $270,000, that does not mean the area is doing well, it means they are dreaming.

IMO you need liquidity to discuss the health of a market, and most domain niches do not have liquidity so things are just a function of one persons success versus another persons laziness. I mean if one person sells a Geo.tv for $50,000 does not mean all who own Geo.tv should jump for joy, unless there is a liquid market with many transactions weekly. Again IMO
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/588734-geo-tv-is-stronger-than-ever.html

I hope everyone does well in whatever extension and I certainly would like to see .tv owners do well, but I see this as I always have, an individual thing, this is not like the stock market where if one software company gets upgraded the whole sector gets a boost in stock price. RT.tv selling for $62,500 did nothing for someone owning YT.tv again IMO

stutter · 06-08-2009, 04:58 PM

The world climate is not turning around, its about to take another bigger nosedive within the next 12 months. Get ready for 2 - 5 years of uncertainty. Its planned that way. Blame the Fed. Governments bust "big business" by wrecking the economy to buy those businesses.. To a lesser extent they do that to "their people" also... But hey, American Idol will be back on air soon and everything will be ok. ( :

Louisville.TV and Augusta.TV look like parking pages to me and are without any kind of quality development.

Although, I do agree that there is more internet / .com, .tv investors buying at the moment. I have sold 7 .tv / .com in the last 5 weeks. Smaller investments make sense to many at the moment in these times.. This is online real estate with small price / overheads / risk, unlike the other "uncertain type" of real estate.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734
Good Luck with your Geos, do you have any I could take a look at with quality TV / video / interactive / social network type development? I would like some ideas for my upcoming sites.

thanks.

equity78 · 06-08-2009, 05:03 PM

[QUOTE=stutter;3472951]The world climate is not turning around, its about to take another bigger nosedive within the next 12 months. Get ready for 2 - 5 years of uncertainty. Its planned that way. Blame the Fed. Governments bust "big business" by wrecking the economy to buy those businesses.. To a lesser extent they do that to "their people" also... But hey, American Idol will be back on air soon and everything will be ok. ( :

You left out the In your opinion part, I am sure you have no greater insight into the future than Local Experts.

localexperts · 06-08-2009, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by stutter

Louisville.TV and Augusta.TV look like parking pages to me and are without any kind of quality development..

Augusta.tv was recently acquired by the Augusta Newspaper and Louisville.TV was recently acquired by Louisville.com. I've gotten a special peek at Louisville.com. It looks nice.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

As for the other comment, yea there are sales occuring in private. I have participated in a two sales. Another asked my opinion before selling.

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Originally Posted by equity78

I mean this with no disrespect because you and I are friends but do you have anything more than that ? This is the kind of thread that just is here to feed the naysayers,

Got to turn on the lights to see the rats scurry.

Here is the thing, two years ago GEO DOT TV values were less than they are today.

HENCE, my hypothesis - backed my examples (that you and I know about) say that Geo DOT TV is stronger today than 2007 or 2008.

Raleigh.TV - $500
VirginiaBeach.TV - $500
Wichita.TV - $600
StLouis.TV - $2,000
and I can go on.

FIN - you've been actively trying to acquire geos. Any luck throwing around $500 to $1000 offers like I did in early 2007

Answer nope

So I repeat "Geo .TV is stronger than ever"

---------- Post added at 08:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:34 PM ----------

Originally Posted by garptrader

Local-I hold several smaller city geos and a few regional geo domains (ResearchTriangle, Carolinas, AmericaLatina, Americas). At this point I'm in no rush to sell as they are normal renewals but I haven't seen offers on any of my geos. Perhaps the response will be that they are not high-profile like Miami, Atlanta, NewYork, Orlando, Paris but I'm curious as to any detail you can share regarding behind the scenes action with GEO .TV domains. And how far down the chain does this demand extend?

Well Fin has posted that he wants US city dot tv. For a top 30 US Geo DOT TV - the sale ranges will be $10,000 to $25,000.

cityforums.com · 06-08-2009, 06:02 PM

Would you all say that when .tube or .vid comes out ... .TV will still be the preferred extension ?

localexperts · 06-08-2009, 06:17 PM

Yep. I see little threat from a four character extension and an abbreviation no one using. We bought a new TV on the weekend and my wife went out to get a video. She used TV to describe the Television, she didn't VID to say she was going out to the Video Store.

cityforums.com · 06-08-2009, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by localexperts

Yep. I see little threat from a four character extension and an abbreviation no one using. We bought a new TV on the weekend and my wife went out to get a video. She used TV to describe the Television, she didn't VID to say she was going out to the Video Store.

You may be aware that the value of an asset is dependent on the owner of the asset.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

.TV is a prefect case of what happens to a good asset in the wrong hands.

What if Godaddy gets .tube ?

Do you really think it would take them long to surpass the success of .TV as an extension ?

localexperts · 06-08-2009, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicray

You may be aware that the value of an asset is dependent on the owner of the asset.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

.TV is a prefect case of what happens to a good asset in the wrong hands.

What if Godaddy gets .tube ?

Do you really think it would take them long to surpass the success of .TV as an extension ?

I don't even worry about the Geo DOT COM owners. Why would I worry any other extension.

The value of development is in the business model, the management, the concept - a great domain is a nice to have but only the icing on the cake - not mandatory for success.

I don't see TNT.TV replacing it with TNT.Tube. Same with Nebraska.TV. Macon.TV, HamptonRoads.TV, and many more.

Who cares about GoDaddy. Without End User Demand, as this auction proves, alt extensions can only go so far. Unless Bob Parsons is going to pay $25,000 for a domain like Houston.tube or Houston.vid - I don't see GoDaddy helping either extension beyond getting them regged for $30

snoop · 06-08-2009, 07:11 PM

The thread reminds me a bit of this,

YouTube - John McCain NAILS IT !! Fundamentals of Economy STRONG !!

Always a worry when people feel the need to try and convince others that things are fine.

localexperts · 06-08-2009, 07:29 PM

Not anymore than a person who goes around repeating the same thing over and over.

I still don't see any data that says geo dot tv is worse today than it was two years ago.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

Only opinions.

---------- Post added at 10:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:13 PM ----------

Originally Posted by snoop

Always a worry when people feel the need to try and convince others that things are fine.

Always worries me when people who haven't done anything think they know something.

I said Geo DOT TV is stronger today that it has ever been. Based on current sales and values - that is true.

If you respond, at least provide some data to back up your assertion.

---------- Post added at 10:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:17 PM ----------

Originally Posted by snoop

YouTube - John McCain NAILS IT !! Fundamentals of Economy STRONG !!.

Unlike John McCain, who was not an expert on the economy, I have 10 years of internet experience. I was probably working for a DOT COM before most knew there was a DOT COM.

---------- Post added at 10:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:22 PM ----------

MORE DATA
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GEO DOT TV Domains - Uniques/Month (DU Data Unavailable)

Nebraska.TV - 23,951 (ABC affiliate)
Oztralia.TV - 18,876
RawVegas.TV - 9,653
HamptonRoads.TV - 9,008 (Landmark Communications)
Boston.TV - 4,891
Iran.TV - 4,386
OceanCity.TV - 2,910
Hollywood.TV - 2,292
Sedona.TV - 2,129
Macon.TV - 2,013
Montreal.TV - 1,998
ParkCity.TV - 1,563
Bollywood.TV - 1,375
AbsoluteBrighton.TV - 1,195 (Nice.)
Tulsa.TV - 1,190
702.TV - 798 (Greenspun Media, owners of Vegas.com / LasVegas.com
and... "Las.TV".)
WesternAustralia.TV - 751
PacificNetwork.TV - D/U
VisitSedona.TV - D/U
Vanuatu.TV - D/U
Spokane.TV - D/U
AtlanticCity.TV - D/U
InRich.TV - D/U
PalmBeach.TV - D/U
Brisbane.TV - D/U
Toronto.TV - D/U
Nederland.TV - D/U
UsaPolitics.TV - D/U (Lin TV)
MySouthAfrica.TV - D/U (Turner)

- data provided by Niko Younts

james0306 · 06-08-2009, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicray

Would you all say that when .tube or .vid comes out ... .TV will still be the preferred extension ?

Let me say in the way. For example, in China, 99% of people don't know what's "vid" and "tube"; but 99% of chinese knows what's "TV", does it explain your concern ?

treebytheriver · 06-08-2009, 10:47 PM

"Tube" is so 1990. Hello people. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

evirtual1 · 06-09-2009, 01:02 AM

i think channel and .tv go together as a great branding tool

Jimbojimbo · 06-09-2009, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

Always a worry when people feel the need to try and convince others that things are fine.

True - but far worse in my opinion is when people try and persuade people that everything is bad (and we should all head for the hills) when there is no logical reason for this to be the case.

Of course, with many of the negative people here - you have to ask - why are they going to so much effort to persuade people to sell up....

Kind of reminds me of another video. One that shows what happens when you look at negative people long enough...

YouTube - Negative Optical Illusion Trick

cityforums.com · 06-09-2009, 05:06 AM

snoop ... the fundamentals of higher .TV premiums are strong ? lol
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is anybody thinking outside the .TV ?

Google will come out with .google

for the relative equivalent of what is a fraction of a penny to you and me they can have .tube

which will solidfy their brand ...

Can you really honestly pretend that .TV with their wonderful premium policy is a safe investment ?

localexperts · 06-09-2009, 06:31 AM

I think outside .tv. I have many .com and .nets.

So new extensions come out, other extensions have been launched. If I have 10 years of investment in my launched dot com, the new extension means nothing. If you develop your dot tv and have 2-3 years of investment, same thing

LAUNCHING a new extensions means nothing, until people develop on that extension.

THAT is what makes an extension a powerhouse, NOT domainers, NOT regs, DEVELOPMENT and in particular DEVELOPMENT that leads to category killer brands.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

As DOT TV has shown me, with the number of older television stations that have stuck with their time tested DOT COM and the number of new television station (particular MyNetwork, CW) that have adopted DOT TV.

Once you develop in an extension and spend thousands or millions, you are not going to change domains on whim (if ever)

If you DEVELOP your DOT TVS, then your brand and your investment is SAFE

If you are a DOT TV domainer, then your destiny lies with brand managers and people who are developing their DOT TVs.

For me, DOT TV is as safe an investment as DOT COM.

snoop · 06-10-2009, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Jimbojimbo

everything is bad (and we should all head for the hills) when there is no logical reason for this to be the case.

The reason is that the vast majority of people have lost money on premium .tv names, and that has been the case for as long as I can remember. If you are making money then no reason to listen to me, I'm speaking to those who despite being in an overall losing position continue to to throw money at this extension.

localexperts · 06-10-2009, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

if you are making money then no reason to listen to me.

poty
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

if people aren't making money, they shouldn't listen either - b/c they should have the common sense to get out

cityforums.com · 06-10-2009, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by localexperts

I think outside .tv. I have many .com and .nets.

So new extensions come out, other extensions have been launched. If I have 10 years of investment in my launched dot com, the new extension means nothing. If you develop your dot tv and have 2-3 years of investment, same thing

LAUNCHING a new extensions means nothing, until people develop on that extension.

THAT is what makes an extension a powerhouse, NOT domainers, NOT regs, DEVELOPMENT and in particular DEVELOPMENT that leads to category killer brands.

As DOT TV has shown me, with the number of older television stations that have stuck with their time tested DOT COM and the number of new television station (particular MyNetwork, CW) that have adopted DOT TV.

Once you develop in an extension and spend thousands or millions, you are not going to change domains on whim (if ever)

If you DEVELOP your DOT TVS, then your brand and your investment is SAFE

If you are a DOT TV domainer, then your destiny lies with brand managers and people who are developing their DOT TVs.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

For me, DOT TV is as safe an investment as DOT COM.

Premiums are not a problem ... continously raising premiums is an issue for any thinking person.

How safe is an investment in an extension where the policy is to CONTINOUSLY RAISE premiums at the

slightest hint of success ? ... Is this a risk with any other extension ?

.tv · 06-10-2009, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by localexperts

poty
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

if people aren't making money, they shouldn't listen either - b/c they should have the common sense to get out

Word.

Jeff · 06-10-2009, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by localexperts

If you DEVELOP your DOT TVS, then your brand and your investment is SAFE

If you are a DOT TV domainer, then your destiny lies with brand managers and people who are developing their DOT TVs.

For me, DOT TV is as safe an investment as DOT COM.

"Safe" may not be the most appropriate word here, perhaps "less risky" may best define developing .TV's (versus attempting to sell in the "Quick Sale" Wholesale / End user marketplaces) and in comparison with .COM's, IMHO.
I agree about the importance of developments for .TV's, but there are no guarantees even if fully & properly developed ... the ROI will depend on many, many factors once developed, and it could even be argued that it might be even more "safe" (ie., "less risky" in this context) to instead develop known and adopted TLD's that may not face the pressures of dilution and confusion with proposed new gTLD's, as well as in those TLD's that have more reasonable registration and ongoing renewals fees (in the case of premium, recurring renewal fees for many prime Geo .TV's) and that have already been accepted and adopted by the masses (such as .COM)!

Weigh all the options, strategize and seriously budget for development & marketings, and consider all potential costs and risks ... as even big country Geo .TV's, as we've seen recently, with specially discounted premium fees failed to secure even Low $XX,xxx bids recently at auction, IMHO.

All the best,
-Jeff

localexperts · 06-10-2009, 12:17 PM

Alright let me rephrase it, if you make $100,000 a year on your DOT TV, you won't care about $1,000 annual cost.

---------- Post added at 03:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:14 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Jeff

Weigh all the options, strategize and seriously budget for development & marketings, and consider all potential costs and risks

This is what one of my DOT TVs has made this year with a marketing budget of $500-$1000 a month
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734
June $1114.0000
May $3679.0000
April $3707.7500
March $5282.7500
Feb $4467.7500
Jan $6717.5000

Jeff · 06-10-2009, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by localexperts

Alright let me rephrase it, if you make $100,000 a year on your DOT TV, you won't care about $1,000 annual cost.

Fair enough, and this underscores the importance of proper .TV development (which we both can agree), but if one fails to develop and efficiently monetize their Geo .TV's - and especially those with high $X,xxx recurring annual renewal fees - than the propostion is thus far more risky, and therefore not exactly "safe" IMHO. I think we are correctly stating the critical need for proper development and marketings of Geo .TV's here in this context, and folks also weighing associated costs & risks!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734

Quote:

This is what one of my DOT TVs has made this year with a marketing budget of $500-$1000 a month
June $1114.0000
May $3679.0000
April $3707.7500
March $5282.7500
Feb $4467.7500
Jan $6717.5000

Which one developed .TV are you referencing, and what are the specifics on the marketing budget (Adwords)?

Thanks for the kind & timely insight.
-Jeff

06-08-2009, 01:26 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
localexperts Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 2,094	Geo .TV is stronger than ever I have gotten alot of information today. All positive. I think Geo .TV is in the best shape in my two years in this space. Domainer to Domainer Sales volume has declined, but prices have held steady in bad economic times. You also see more end user interest (aka Louisville.TV and Augusta.TV) I think Geo .TV is poised for continual growth and appreciation as the world economic climate turns around and DOT TV adoption increases.

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garptrader NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 857	Local-I hold several smaller city geos and a few regional geo domains (ResearchTriangle, Carolinas, AmericaLatina, Americas). At this point I'm in no rush to sell as they are normal renewals but I haven't seen offers on any of my geos. Perhaps the response will be that they are not high-profile like Miami, Atlanta, NewYork, Orlando, Paris but I'm curious as to any detail you can share regarding behind the scenes action with GEO .TV domains. And how far down the chain does this demand extend? __________________ http://www.genericdomains.net/ http://www.dominericos.com/ http://www.premiumdomains.tv/

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equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,639	I mean this with no disrespect because you and I are friends but do you have anything more than that ? This is the kind of thread that just is here to feed the naysayers, I mean you stated something with nothing behind it. Markets are not determined because someone will not sell for less than xxx,xxx. If people in a town did not want to accept the real estate downturn and said we will not sell for less than $400,000 when the average home in their area was selling for $270,000, that does not mean the area is doing well, it means they are dreaming. IMO you need liquidity to discuss the health of a market, and most domain niches do not have liquidity so things are just a function of one persons success versus another persons laziness. I mean if one person sells a Geo.tv for $50,000 does not mean all who own Geo.tv should jump for joy, unless there is a liquid market with many transactions weekly. Again IMO ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/588734-geo-tv-is-stronger-than-ever.html I hope everyone does well in whatever extension and I certainly would like to see .tv owners do well, but I see this as I always have, an individual thing, this is not like the stock market where if one software company gets upgraded the whole sector gets a boost in stock price. RT.tv selling for $62,500 did nothing for someone owning YT.tv again IMO __________________ Host your website with name.com and get up to $10.99 off any domain registration First Quarter 2012 5 letter.com sales report

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equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,639	[QUOTE=stutter;3472951]The world climate is not turning around, its about to take another bigger nosedive within the next 12 months. Get ready for 2 - 5 years of uncertainty. Its planned that way. Blame the Fed. Governments bust "big business" by wrecking the economy to buy those businesses.. To a lesser extent they do that to "their people" also... But hey, American Idol will be back on air soon and everything will be ok. ( : You left out the In your opinion part, I am sure you have no greater insight into the future than Local Experts. __________________ Host your website with name.com and get up to $10.99 off any domain registration First Quarter 2012 5 letter.com sales report

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cityforums.com Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 1,113	Would you all say that when .tube or .vid comes out ... .TV will still be the preferred extension ? __________________ AmericanForum.com Power to the People.

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stutter NamePros Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 100	The world climate is not turning around, its about to take another bigger nosedive within the next 12 months. Get ready for 2 - 5 years of uncertainty. Its planned that way. Blame the Fed. Governments bust "big business" by wrecking the economy to buy those businesses.. To a lesser extent they do that to "their people" also... But hey, American Idol will be back on air soon and everything will be ok. ( : Louisville.TV and Augusta.TV look like parking pages to me and are without any kind of quality development. Although, I do agree that there is more internet / .com, .tv investors buying at the moment. I have sold 7 .tv / .com in the last 5 weeks. Smaller investments make sense to many at the moment in these times.. This is online real estate with small price / overheads / risk, unlike the other "uncertain type" of real estate. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734 Good Luck with your Geos, do you have any I could take a look at with quality TV / video / interactive / social network type development? I would like some ideas for my upcoming sites. thanks.

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localexperts Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 2,094	Yep. I see little threat from a four character extension and an abbreviation no one using. We bought a new TV on the weekend and my wife went out to get a video. She used TV to describe the Television, she didn't VID to say she was going out to the Video Store.

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snoop New User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,986	The thread reminds me a bit of this, YouTube - John McCain NAILS IT !! Fundamentals of Economy STRONG !! Always a worry when people feel the need to try and convince others that things are fine.

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cityforums.com Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 1,113	snoop ... the fundamentals of higher .TV premiums are strong ? lol ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is anybody thinking outside the .TV ? Google will come out with .google for the relative equivalent of what is a fraction of a penny to you and me they can have .tube which will solidfy their brand ... Can you really honestly pretend that .TV with their wonderful premium policy is a safe investment ? __________________ AmericanForum.com Power to the People. Last edited by cityforums.com; 06-09-2009 at 05:25 AM.

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localexperts Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 2,094	I think outside .tv. I have many .com and .nets. So new extensions come out, other extensions have been launched. If I have 10 years of investment in my launched dot com, the new extension means nothing. If you develop your dot tv and have 2-3 years of investment, same thing LAUNCHING a new extensions means nothing, until people develop on that extension. THAT is what makes an extension a powerhouse, NOT domainers, NOT regs, DEVELOPMENT and in particular DEVELOPMENT that leads to category killer brands. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=588734 As DOT TV has shown me, with the number of older television stations that have stuck with their time tested DOT COM and the number of new television station (particular MyNetwork, CW) that have adopted DOT TV. Once you develop in an extension and spend thousands or millions, you are not going to change domains on whim (if ever) If you DEVELOP your DOT TVS, then your brand and your investment is SAFE If you are a DOT TV domainer, then your destiny lies with brand managers and people who are developing their DOT TVs. For me, DOT TV is as safe an investment as DOT COM.

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