tv and google

hullswingerscom · 08-21-2008, 12:21 PM

i can not get my tv domains ranked high in google if i just use the keyword

if i add the keyword.tv it will...rank ok

no matter what i do i get a poor rank in google yet yahoo is ok..

anyone else have this bother....

alex_d · 08-21-2008, 12:24 PM

I have also experienced this problem. I think its partly done to Google seeing the .tv extension as though of Tuvala, and not a top level extension like .com, net etc.

Which Google are you using to do your searches ??
What are the main extensions that are appearing in the results ??

Alex

hullswingerscom · 08-21-2008, 12:25 PM

i will have to change to com or co.uk
my name in my sig does not even get a google rank yet it does in yahoo

i never had this trouble with com or co.uk..and there ranking over my tv in fact i can not get my name on google at all ..unless i add the tv

Steven · 08-21-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by hullswingerscom

i can not get my tv domains ranked high in google if i just use the keyword
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/506186-tv-and-google.html

if i add the keyword.tv it will...rank ok

no matter what i do i get a poor rank in google yet yahoo is ok..

anyone else have this bother....

Ranking on google depends on the keyword, how competitive it is and the type and amount of SEO done.

For some non-competitive names, I've been able to get them near top on Google search engine with some SEO work.

hullswingerscom · 08-21-2008, 12:32 PM

the name not competitive for google.
but why ok on yahoo...?

anyway i give up with it!

localexperts · 08-21-2008, 12:39 PM

This is the #1 issue with .TV. All the energy being spent blaming Demand Media for the Channel Me product should be directed at Demand Media to speak with Google to get the search engine to recognize .TV as a gTLD like .com, .net, or .org.

hullswingerscom · 08-21-2008, 12:47 PM

i am not knocking tv...i just think its a little odd#but i will have to stop developing dot tv till this is sorted out

localexperts · 08-21-2008, 12:57 PM

I'm not kocking TV either - great, great brand

but if I develop a kick butt .TV site and Google doesn't give me a whiff, then I have to consider that in my development plans.

I hate to use Tier2.com names, but if I can get some placement on Google with IWISHTHISWASDISCJOCKEYSTV.COM and I can't with DISCJOCKEYS.TV - then this is an issue.

Seriously, folks should be screaming to the top of their lungs about this issue. This is the #1 threat to the extension. End users won't develop if they feel Google won't recognize their sites in the same veign as .NET, .ORG, and .COM.

I mean I have friends developing .ORG because they can get SEO benefit over .TV for video sites. .ORG - I hate .ORG. But I can't ignore the Google issue.

hullswingerscom · 08-21-2008, 01:23 PM

i am not a developer,all i was trying to do was put a tv out there and not just park it...
my little way of helping tv awareness.

how much for IWISHTHISWASDISCJOCKEYSTV.COM ...lol

anyway i dont want to upset anybody especially that guy with the doll

MicroGuy · 08-21-2008, 05:41 PM

No amount of SEO voodoo can guarantee better site placement.

Google placement depends HEAVILY on site "quality". Build it and they will come. If you create a site with fresh, useful, targeted content, you'll get repeat visitors and increased search placement even with a .TV.

Ustream.tv is at the top of Google's list for such terms as "lifecaster" and "stream tv".

localexperts · 08-21-2008, 07:09 PM

Not with .TV domains unless you are targeting keywords that get little or no search volume. It is easier to get good SEO with a .COM, .NET, or .ORG on Google.

Actually Google rank depends heavily on another factor - where we rank very strong. Not strong enough to get the .TV domains out of the ccTLD sandbox. I agree repeat users will help, but it is difficult to get repeat users. Most internet sites are one and done.

MicroGuy · 08-21-2008, 08:03 PM

It would appear that Google does penalize many if not most .TV sites but I don't think this has been officially confirmed. They also penalize parked pages hosted by mainstream parking companies using some sort of DNS detection.

Hopefully, this will change as the number of quality .TV sites increases. Ustream is one of the few .TV sites that is taken seriously. I can't wait for more.

localexperts · 08-21-2008, 08:21 PM

It does appear .TV domains rank very well for search terms ending in "TV". DiscJockeys.TV is #1 for "Disc Jockeys TV", ReceptionHalls.TV for "Reception Halls TV", PestControl.TV is first page for "Pest Control TV". Several others on the board have referenced search terms ending in TV where a .TV is #1.

We either need for more quality sites (supply) or searches for TV related keywords (demand)

hullswingerscom · 08-22-2008, 12:48 AM

It does appear .TV domains rank very well for search terms ending in "TV".

thats no good to me...and my business.

mckennaronnie · 08-22-2008, 03:29 AM

George: How big a problem is this?
Are we talking about you getting 1,2% less traffic to your .Tv's or is it a massive difference??

Hull's: What domains are you having a problem with, maybe i can look and see if there is anything needing done to get you better Search Engine Placement.

I own & run a Niche .TV and i've found it great for getting Search Engine Placement but obviously there is less competition for niche terms so its difficult to compare.

hullswingerscom · 08-22-2008, 06:42 AM

the name is in my signature ronnie..

does your geos get a high rank without adding the tv.....????

this week iam going to a club and last time this was mentioned by some there why there not moving on to tv

mckennaronnie · 08-22-2008, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by hullswingerscom

the name is in my signature ronnie..

does your geos get a high rank without adding the tv.....????

this week iam going to a club and last time this was mentioned by some there why there not moving on to tv

Regards Cottingham.tv
At 1st glance i'd say you need to do some SEO work.
Add a Title to each page & Meta Tags
Try and get some backlinks (not sure if you done this yet, just general advice)

None of my Geo's are fully developed but Scotland.tv (only part finished site) does get traffic, in particular on subjects that have slightly less competition.
For example, My Aberdeen Hotels page gets 3,4 unqies a day & i'd say this was down the all the time i spent sorting out the keywords , meta tags & Page Descriptions.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186
Before any of this was done then it got no traffic at all.

I'm no SEO expert but even at my novice level i can see how big a difference all this makes.

Obviously George's .TV traffic problems are not down to the same reason as George knows 10x more about SEO & keywords than i do.

localexperts · 08-22-2008, 08:36 AM

Well Ronnie, alot of it optical in the sales process. For example, many photographers will search for "photographers" or "dallas photographers" and see who are the top 3 sites for those keywords. If your site is in the top 3, they will signup or contact you to pay. We use our top placement for many keywords in the sales process when speaking with advertisers. The most oft asked question is "why should I advertise on your site". It is very powerful to say "We are #1 on Google for the search term directly related to your business".

IMHO the big thing is end user sales and .TV. A large corporation is not going to allow SEO to deter them from buying .TV domains. The problem is the tier 2 and tier 3 players like myself who depend on SEO to build their business. If the directory providers or niche content players feel like .TV domains won't rank well under the .TV banner, then they are going to purchase .NET and .ORG domains.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186

If that happens, it would be akin to a country with large corporations, but no small businesses. While large businesses are key, the small business is the backbone of most economies.

That is my opinion FWIW.

hullswingerscom · 08-22-2008, 11:00 AM

they have to rank higher to get advertisers on board simple as that.

thanks for you comments ronnie ill try to do more as you say

me domains look ok with google

http://www.namepros.com/493763-offic...ml#post3000038

Steven · 08-24-2008, 01:40 PM

BobParsons.TV
First page and first in rank for the terms "Bob Parsons" in Google.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186

I think Google's algorithms are very sophisticated.
If you have the relevant and quality contents with good number of backlinks, you'll probably rank well.
I've been reading a lot of threads on DP and SEO forums in regards to this, but many people are saying that TLDs do not really matter. It's just the quality contents, updates, backlinks, specifying target areas in google webmaster tools, links from location specific sites, which country your web hosting server belongs, etc.

I guess another way to test it is by purchasing a random, unknown and unused name

hgeriugh8924y5983yqhfieqhgihtiojq1rowbhw9ry1894g in .com, .net, .org, .in, .tv, .mobi, etc and see how they rank... tweak the development, backlinks, etc

hullswingerscom · 08-24-2008, 01:45 PM

good idea woudl be to develop a tv and tv.com same content....and keyword

Steven · 08-24-2008, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by hullswingerscom

good idea woudl be to develop a tv and tv.com same content....and keyword

That sounds good too, but have to avoid putting in any duplicated contents even if the topic will be the same. That's why this test is a bit complex to do. There are so much involved in ranking a site and optimizing in Google search engine.

Duplication content penalty will make one site rank less than the other.

TheBulldog · 08-24-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by mrdomainman

I guess another way to test it is by purchasing a random, unknown and unused name

hgeriugh8924y5983yqhfieqhgihtiojq1rowbhw9ry1894g in .com, .net, .org, .in, .tv, .mobi, etc and see how they rank... tweak the development, backlinks, etc

I suggested doing this a long time ago......

I think I said to do it this way:

brahkljjj.com
brahkljjj.tv

Since brahkljjj has no results in google, it would be relatively easy to test it to see what happens.

Put up EXACTLY identical sites at the same time. (Build it and publish at the same time)

The take a page with good traffic, doesn't matter what, heck, create a wiki page since that would be crawled instantly entitled "What does Google rank higher?"
Now, you would need to put links to both sites. So you would have to do 2 identical wiki pages each with one of the names. My thought is if you just pop the links in one page, google may rank the first one first in search results.

So there you go. If anyone wants to buy two random names and try it, I would be game for hosting it for the test and tossing a couple of sites up.

Originally Posted by mrdomainman

That sounds good too, but have to avoid putting in any duplicated contents even if the topic will be the same. That's why this test is a bit complex to do. There are so much involved in ranking a site and optimizing in Google search engine.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186

Duplication content penalty will make one site rank less than the other.

I actually WOULD want identical content. Basically it would show 2 results in google, then we see which one ranks first.

Then we could play and tweak the tv to see what would need to happen to move it to the top.

gwkg · 08-24-2008, 05:04 PM

Google isn't located on another planet, they know .tv isn't being used as a cctld.

TheWatcher · 08-24-2008, 09:19 PM

This is depends on keywords and SEO implementations. Here some examples:

search "filipino tv" and you will see Filipino.TV first in results. Not a surprise as it gets 3000+ views a day.

search "jersey tv" and you will see Jersey.TV in the first page results.

search "michigan tv" and you don't see it in first couple of page results, this mean I need fresh and more articles here.

I believe google ranks .TV as well.

08-21-2008, 12:21 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	tv and google i can not get my tv domains ranked high in google if i just use the keyword if i add the keyword.tv it will...rank ok no matter what i do i get a poor rank in google yet yahoo is ok.. anyone else have this bother.... __________________ www.transport.tv

08-21-2008, 12:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
alex_d NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 903	I have also experienced this problem. I think its partly done to Google seeing the .tv extension as though of Tuvala, and not a top level extension like .com, net etc. Which Google are you using to do your searches ?? What are the main extensions that are appearing in the results ?? Alex __________________ Page Rank is dead - It's the SERPs that count. What's your Serp Rank ? Παιχνιδια OnlineTravel.tv \| OnlineHotels.tv \| OnlineCasinos.tv

08-21-2008, 12:25 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	i will have to change to com or co.uk my name in my sig does not even get a google rank yet it does in yahoo i never had this trouble with com or co.uk..and there ranking over my tv in fact i can not get my name on google at all ..unless i add the tv __________________ www.transport.tv

08-21-2008, 12:32 PM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	the name not competitive for google. but why ok on yahoo...? anyway i give up with it! __________________ www.transport.tv

08-21-2008, 12:47 PM	THREAD STARTER #7 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	i am not knocking tv...i just think its a little odd#but i will have to stop developing dot tv till this is sorted out __________________ www.transport.tv

08-21-2008, 12:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
localexperts Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 2,094	This is the #1 issue with .TV. All the energy being spent blaming Demand Media for the Channel Me product should be directed at Demand Media to speak with Google to get the search engine to recognize .TV as a gTLD like .com, .net, or .org.

08-21-2008, 12:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
localexperts Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 2,094	I'm not kocking TV either - great, great brand but if I develop a kick butt .TV site and Google doesn't give me a whiff, then I have to consider that in my development plans. I hate to use Tier2.com names, but if I can get some placement on Google with IWISHTHISWASDISCJOCKEYSTV.COM and I can't with DISCJOCKEYS.TV - then this is an issue. Seriously, folks should be screaming to the top of their lungs about this issue. This is the #1 threat to the extension. End users won't develop if they feel Google won't recognize their sites in the same veign as .NET, .ORG, and .COM. I mean I have friends developing .ORG because they can get SEO benefit over .TV for video sites. .ORG - I hate .ORG. But I can't ignore the Google issue.

08-21-2008, 01:23 PM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	i am not a developer,all i was trying to do was put a tv out there and not just park it... my little way of helping tv awareness. how much for IWISHTHISWASDISCJOCKEYSTV.COM ...lol anyway i dont want to upset anybody especially that guy with the doll __________________ www.transport.tv

08-21-2008, 05:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
MicroGuy Miembro Especial Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Debunking ccTLD Posts: 6,800	No amount of SEO voodoo can guarantee better site placement. Google placement depends HEAVILY on site "quality". Build it and they will come. If you create a site with fresh, useful, targeted content, you'll get repeat visitors and increased search placement even with a .TV. Ustream.tv is at the top of Google's list for such terms as "lifecaster" and "stream tv". __________________ ......

08-21-2008, 07:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
localexperts Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 2,094	Not with .TV domains unless you are targeting keywords that get little or no search volume. It is easier to get good SEO with a .COM, .NET, or .ORG on Google. Actually Google rank depends heavily on another factor - where we rank very strong. Not strong enough to get the .TV domains out of the ccTLD sandbox. I agree repeat users will help, but it is difficult to get repeat users. Most internet sites are one and done.

08-21-2008, 08:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
MicroGuy Miembro Especial Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Debunking ccTLD Posts: 6,800	It would appear that Google does penalize many if not most .TV sites but I don't think this has been officially confirmed. They also penalize parked pages hosted by mainstream parking companies using some sort of DNS detection. Hopefully, this will change as the number of quality .TV sites increases. Ustream is one of the few .TV sites that is taken seriously. I can't wait for more. __________________ ......

08-21-2008, 08:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
localexperts Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 2,094	It does appear .TV domains rank very well for search terms ending in "TV". DiscJockeys.TV is #1 for "Disc Jockeys TV", ReceptionHalls.TV for "Reception Halls TV", PestControl.TV is first page for "Pest Control TV". Several others on the board have referenced search terms ending in TV where a .TV is #1. We either need for more quality sites (supply) or searches for TV related keywords (demand)

08-22-2008, 12:48 AM	THREAD STARTER #14 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	It does appear .TV domains rank very well for search terms ending in "TV". thats no good to me...and my business. __________________ www.transport.tv

08-22-2008, 03:29 AM	#15 (permalink)
mckennaronnie Account Closed Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: no telling ye Posts: 2,285	George: How big a problem is this? Are we talking about you getting 1,2% less traffic to your .Tv's or is it a massive difference?? Hull's: What domains are you having a problem with, maybe i can look and see if there is anything needing done to get you better Search Engine Placement. I own & run a Niche .TV and i've found it great for getting Search Engine Placement but obviously there is less competition for niche terms so its difficult to compare.

08-22-2008, 06:42 AM	THREAD STARTER #16 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	the name is in my signature ronnie.. does your geos get a high rank without adding the tv.....???? this week iam going to a club and last time this was mentioned by some there why there not moving on to tv __________________ www.transport.tv

08-22-2008, 08:36 AM	#18 (permalink)
localexperts Account Closed Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 2,094	Well Ronnie, alot of it optical in the sales process. For example, many photographers will search for "photographers" or "dallas photographers" and see who are the top 3 sites for those keywords. If your site is in the top 3, they will signup or contact you to pay. We use our top placement for many keywords in the sales process when speaking with advertisers. The most oft asked question is "why should I advertise on your site". It is very powerful to say "We are #1 on Google for the search term directly related to your business". IMHO the big thing is end user sales and .TV. A large corporation is not going to allow SEO to deter them from buying .TV domains. The problem is the tier 2 and tier 3 players like myself who depend on SEO to build their business. If the directory providers or niche content players feel like .TV domains won't rank well under the .TV banner, then they are going to purchase .NET and .ORG domains. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 If that happens, it would be akin to a country with large corporations, but no small businesses. While large businesses are key, the small business is the backbone of most economies. That is my opinion FWIW.

08-22-2008, 11:00 AM	THREAD STARTER #19 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	they have to rank higher to get advertisers on board simple as that. thanks for you comments ronnie ill try to do more as you say me domains look ok with google http://www.namepros.com/493763-offic...ml#post3000038 __________________ www.transport.tv Last edited by hullswingerscom; 08-22-2008 at 11:58 AM.

08-24-2008, 01:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
Steven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Namepros.com Posts: 3,456	BobParsons.TV First page and first in rank for the terms "Bob Parsons" in Google. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=506186 I think Google's algorithms are very sophisticated. If you have the relevant and quality contents with good number of backlinks, you'll probably rank well. I've been reading a lot of threads on DP and SEO forums in regards to this, but many people are saying that TLDs do not really matter. It's just the quality contents, updates, backlinks, specifying target areas in google webmaster tools, links from location specific sites, which country your web hosting server belongs, etc. I guess another way to test it is by purchasing a random, unknown and unused name hgeriugh8924y5983yqhfieqhgihtiojq1rowbhw9ry1894g in .com, .net, .org, .in, .tv, .mobi, etc and see how they rank... tweak the development, backlinks, etc __________________ Domain Name

08-24-2008, 01:45 PM	THREAD STARTER #21 (permalink)
hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,362	good idea woudl be to develop a tv and tv.com same content....and keyword __________________ www.transport.tv

08-24-2008, 05:04 PM	#24 (permalink)
gwkg NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sunny South Florida Posts: 462	Google isn't located on another planet, they know .tv isn't being used as a cctld.

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TheWatcher Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: KING.NET Posts: 3,478	This is depends on keywords and SEO implementations. Here some examples: search "filipino tv" and you will see Filipino.TV first in results. Not a surprise as it gets 3000+ views a day. search "jersey tv" and you will see Jersey.TV in the first page results. search "michigan tv" and you don't see it in first couple of page results, this mean I need fresh and more articles here. I believe google ranks .TV as well. __________________ Get your own .CO $28/yr http://NeedName.com KING.NET Advertise your products and services. Got Facebook, connect with me. http://facebook.com/domainnetwork WebeW.com - YA.NET Alternative Domain Name!. Use it for your site or blog.

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