Hollywood.TV beats Hollywood.com

cosmicray · 08-08-2008, 06:59 PM

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...6m&size=Medium

Anybody have other examples of similar situations ?

Let's build a list to compare trends.

localexperts · 08-08-2008, 07:45 PM

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hol....tv/?metric=uv

hmm

cosmicray · 08-08-2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by localexperts

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hol....tv/?metric=uv

hmm

more accurate localexperts ?

People Month Year (delta)
hollywood.com 1,415,856 -9.1% -40.2%
hollywood.tv 172,622 6.2% 7331.0%

Hurley4540 · 08-08-2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicray

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...6m&size=Medium

Anybody have other examples of similar situations ?

Let's build a list to compare trends.

Very interesting.

localexperts · 08-08-2008, 08:10 PM

http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.com
http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.tv

Quantcast is close to the compete.com numbers.

IMHO yes more accurate than alexa

cosmicray · 08-08-2008, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by localexperts

http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.com
http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.tv

Quantcast is close to the compete.com numbers.

IMHO yes more accurate than alexa

interesting ... MASSIVE difference ...

you think people are going to the .com instead ?

time to sell the .tvs ??

TheBulldog · 08-08-2008, 08:27 PM

IN all fairness, hollywood.tv sucks in comparison.

I know they get some unique videos that other shows high lite, but realistically, the site looks amateur at best. Shalimar or whatever his name is made a huge mistake in moving to the me.tv platform.

That wasn't his only downfall, but it didn't help.

Right now there are 2 major sites to get Hollywood gossip.

PerezHilton.com
TMZ.com

Those are the most regularly updated, so best ones that people go to.

The rest follow them.

cosmicray · 08-08-2008, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBulldog

IN all fairness, hollywood.tv sucks in comparison.

I know they get some unique videos that other shows high lite, but realistically, the site looks amateur at best. Shalimar or whatever his name is made a huge mistake in moving to the me.tv platform.

That wasn't his only downfall, but it didn't help.

Right now there are 2 major sites to get Hollywood gossip.

PerezHilton.com
TMZ.com

Those are the most regularly updated, so best ones that people go to.

The rest follow them.

Forget the .me platform ... if .COM is getting good traffic from .TV this

means that the premium .TVs are greatly overvalued and maybe close to

being worthless and may also explain why Al Gore dropped the .TV and went

.COM for current.com.

TheBulldog · 08-08-2008, 08:56 PM

It's a matter of perspective.

Let's take a hypothetical:

I own BriansWidgets.tv. I have this fantastic widget that I made, I sell it and market it on the .tv extension. I am Brian Smith, no nothing non-domainer. I bought the .tv because all other extensions were gone, even though they just went to parking pages. I, Brian, after two years of making money on the .tv, made an offer to the owner of BriansWidgets.com, because I feel it is a safer extension and I think it will get me more traffic.

The current owner said sure and offered it to me for $74, so I bought it.....

Now, realistically, from Brian Non-domainer's perspective....

A) Make the .com the main site, and repoint everything else to not cause confusion?
B) Repoint the .com to the .tv site and stick to my guns?

People KNOW .com.
People TRUST .com.

Do I like .tv? Yep

would I trade a .tv for the dot com same? In most cases yes. Realistically, we have some pretty good names in .com. ALSO realistically, we all (I hope) would truthfully admit that owning the .com same name would be a lot more lucrative.

My opinion is as has been said before. .TV is a developer's extension right now. Yes, there always exceptions to the rules, but that is all they are. People develop a .tv, and then as others have seen, sometimes the main players move to a .com when it suits them.

That being said, you know what I have seen lately? Late night infomercials are using .tv more and more.

localexperts · 08-08-2008, 09:10 PM

The .COM is not getting good traffic because of the .TV. Hollywood.com is owned by a public US company. They have access to millions which can be used to brand build and drive traffic to that domain.

This leakage would be more concerning if it was high
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hol...com/?metric=uv

mckennaronnie · 08-09-2008, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicray

Forget the .me platform ... if .COM is getting good traffic from .TV this

means that the premium .TVs are greatly overvalued and maybe close to

being worthless and may also explain why Al Gore dropped the .TV and went

.COM for current.com.

Now that is just nonsense

Just since you found out that a major .com gets more traffic then a badly designed .tv then "means that the premium .TV's are greatly overvalued and maybe close to worthless"

So since many of LocalExperts .TV sites get more traffic that the .com's then does that make the .com's overvalued or worthless??

cosmicray · 08-09-2008, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckennaronnie

Now that is just nonsense

Just since you found out that a major .com gets more traffic then a badly designed .tv then "means that the premium .TV's are greatly overvalued and maybe close to worthless"

So since many of LocalExperts .TV sites get more traffic that the .com's then does that make the .com's overvalued or worthless??

Leakage is money lost and it helps your .com competitor and you are paying

a premium for the privilege of doing so.

localexperts · 08-09-2008, 07:26 AM

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/off...com/?metric=uv

the .com is getting very little leakage from my marketing efforts on officiants.tv

cosmicray · 08-09-2008, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckennaronnie

Now that is just nonsense

Just since you found out that a major .com gets more traffic then a badly designed .tv then "means that the premium .TV's are greatly overvalued and maybe close to worthless"

So since many of LocalExperts .TV sites get more traffic that the .com's then does that make the .com's overvalued or worthless??

Was localexperts.TV plastered across tvs worldwide numerous times ...

promoted on Nationally on Larry King and other programs etc etc etc

and it only gets those small numbers of visitors ?

localexperts · 08-09-2008, 07:32 AM

The Local Experts Network get more traffic than Hollywood.TV. Anyone who is in marketing, realizes that TV ads are horrible for getting people to come to a web site. My former company purchased a super bowl ad. It was a small blimp of extra traffic and then back to regular levels. IE. a waste

http://www.quantcast.com/p-2coUlW7v6dBfI

http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.tv

We have our traffic without wasting alot of energy and money in promoting in print, traditional media, outdoor, etc - all things we have tried and realized are worthless promoting an internet site.

Heck, my former company was on the front page of 40% of the yellow pages in the US - did nothing for us.

Don't think for a minute that being splattered across TVs means you will dominate the world in the cyberspace

Look CBSCares.TV is promoted all the time on CBS
http://www.quantcast.com/profile/no-...in=cbscares.tv

http://www.quantcast.com/profile/no-...in=cbscares.tv

Look nothing

cosmicray · 08-09-2008, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by localexperts

The Local Experts Network get more traffic than Hollywood.TV. Anyone who is in marketing, realizes that TV ads are horrible for getting people to come to a web site. My former company purchased a super bowl ad. It was a small blimp of extra traffic and then back to regular levels. IE. a waste

http://www.quantcast.com/p-2coUlW7v6dBfI

http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.tv

We have our traffic without wasting alot of energy and money in promoting in print, traditional media, outdoor, etc - all things we have tried and realized are worthless promoting an internet site.

Heck, my former company was on the front page of 40% of the yellow pages in the US - did nothing for us.

Don't think for a minute that being splattered across TVs means you will dominate the world in the cyberspace

Look CBSCares.TV is promoted all the time on CBS
http://www.quantcast.com/profile/no-...in=cbscares.tv

http://www.quantcast.com/profile/no-...in=cbscares.tv

Look nothing

I remember an online casino that plastered their url on billboards everywhere

and they later went bust ... I have also seen a free classifieds company

advertise nationally in print media aimed at computer enthusiasts and they

too went bust.

mckennaronnie · 08-09-2008, 08:08 AM

I own a developed .Tv & also the tv.com but only ever advertise the .tv site URL, the tv.com gets virtually no traffic at all so In my experience leakage from .tv's in very little.

Especially not enough to convince me "if .COM is getting good traffic from .TV this means that the premium .TVs are greatly overvalued and maybe close to being worthless"

That comment really winds me up.

localexperts · 08-09-2008, 08:10 AM

Please don't wind Ronnie up. He is the Energizer Bunny. He will keep going and going and going

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicray

I remember an online casino that plastered their url on billboards everywhere

and they later went bust ... I have also seen a free classifieds company

advertise nationally in print media aimed at computer enthusiasts and they

too went bust.

And that is why rule #1 in marketing is test a campaign and source before going hog wild throwing everything into it

Back to Hollywood.TV - for all that promotion, their traffic is not bad. Their problem IMHO is the ChannelMe site is not very attractive or professional looking when compared to the competition.

Little story. I was in NYC. I went into Trump Tower. A sign was halfway peeled off. It ran completely counter to Trumps' brand

Same with Hollywood.TV. Your brand is glitze and you drop them on a basic site that looks like you took a trailor park and put welcome to Hollywood on it.

Sorry that isn't great marketing.

I'm not Hollywood.TV, I'm on ChannelMe, with some Hollywood graphics put around it.

mckennaronnie · 08-09-2008, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by localexperts

Please don't wind Ronnie up. He is the Energizer Bunny. He will keep going and going and going

True

Look at that comment though George... does it now wind you up? You have many more Premium .tv's that i do, do you suddenly feel you should Bin them all since Hollywood.com gets more traffic than the awful Hollywood.tv??

I won't bang on about this anymore as i'm sure he knows it was a stupid thing to say.

localexperts · 08-09-2008, 08:16 AM

I like intelligent debate. I normally can see and argue boths sides of a debate. But I can't make any argument to support this assertion.

PS> Like you siggie - Reminds me of one - Whip me, Beat me, Make me reg bad domains.

cosmicray · 08-09-2008, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckennaronnie

I own a developed .Tv & also the tv.com but only ever advertise the .tv site URL, the tv.com gets virtually no traffic at all so In my experience leakage from .tv's in very little.

Especially not enough to convince me "if .COM is getting good traffic from .TV this means that the premium .TVs are greatly overvalued and maybe close to being worthless"

That comment really winds me up.

Ronnie ... I sometimes make statements just to get a gut reaction to see

if I am missing something ... lol

mckennaronnie · 08-09-2008, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by localexperts

I like intelligent debate. I normally can see and argue boths sides of a debate. But I can't make any argument to support this assertion.

PS> Like you siggie - Reminds me of one - Whip me, Beat me, Make me reg more bad domains.

Thats how i feel, i'll gladly argue most points but sometimes you just got to say "Your talking mince!"
That's a wee Scottish saying for 'I do not agree fully with your point kind sir"

I just changed my Sig George, tired of sticks & stones (still like whips & chains!

)

localexperts · 08-09-2008, 08:44 AM

In the states, we say "are you on crack?"

cosmicray · 08-09-2008, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by localexperts

In the states, we say "are you on crack?"

Nah ... localexperts ...

how are your geos.tv doing ? Any of them getting high with visitors ?

localexperts · 08-09-2008, 08:59 AM

none of my .TV sites have enough type in or direct navigation traffic to build a business. In fact, all of my .COMs don't have enough type in traffic to build a business.

When we are ready, we will promote them like we promote our other sites.

Without promotion and quality content (ie schtick), my geo .tv domains don't stand a chance against the .com geos.

In Warsaw, VA in the 1980s, "are you on crack?" was a very popular response. Please, no Polish jokes - I've heard them all. My wife says I look Polish when my grandparents' surnames were Brooks, Pickering, and ENGLISH! I'm 100% English, that is why I married an Indian. To get a little variety in the gene pool.

08-08-2008, 06:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
cosmicray NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 967 963.00 NP$ (Donate)	Hollywood.TV beats Hollywood.com ? http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...6m&size=Medium Anybody have other examples of similar situations ? Let's build a list to compare trends. __________________ Regard your good name as the richest jewel you can possibly be possessed of ... Socrates - (399 BC - 469 BC) Last edited by cosmicray; 08-08-2008 at 08:08 PM. Reason: adding as a question

08-08-2008, 08:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
TheBulldog Your Showbiz Connection Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spam-It's what's for dinner. Posts: 4,708 175.00 NP$ (Donate)	IN all fairness, hollywood.tv sucks in comparison. I know they get some unique videos that other shows high lite, but realistically, the site looks amateur at best. Shalimar or whatever his name is made a huge mistake in moving to the me.tv platform. That wasn't his only downfall, but it didn't help. Right now there are 2 major sites to get Hollywood gossip. PerezHilton.com TMZ.com Those are the most regularly updated, so best ones that people go to. The rest follow them. __________________ ═════════►◊ Alien Conspiracy--Discover the truth. ════════════════►◊ Property Investment Companies

08-08-2008, 08:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
TheBulldog Your Showbiz Connection Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spam-It's what's for dinner. Posts: 4,708 175.00 NP$ (Donate)	It's a matter of perspective. Let's take a hypothetical: I own BriansWidgets.tv. I have this fantastic widget that I made, I sell it and market it on the .tv extension. I am Brian Smith, no nothing non-domainer. I bought the .tv because all other extensions were gone, even though they just went to parking pages. I, Brian, after two years of making money on the .tv, made an offer to the owner of BriansWidgets.com, because I feel it is a safer extension and I think it will get me more traffic. The current owner said sure and offered it to me for $74, so I bought it..... Now, realistically, from Brian Non-domainer's perspective.... A) Make the .com the main site, and repoint everything else to not cause confusion? B) Repoint the .com to the .tv site and stick to my guns? People KNOW .com. People TRUST .com. Do I like .tv? Yep would I trade a .tv for the dot com same? In most cases yes. Realistically, we have some pretty good names in .com. ALSO realistically, we all (I hope) would truthfully admit that owning the .com same name would be a lot more lucrative. My opinion is as has been said before. .TV is a developer's extension right now. Yes, there always exceptions to the rules, but that is all they are. People develop a .tv, and then as others have seen, sometimes the main players move to a .com when it suits them. That being said, you know what I have seen lately? Late night infomercials are using .tv more and more. __________________ ═════════►◊ Alien Conspiracy--Discover the truth. ════════════════►◊ Property Investment Companies

08-09-2008, 07:32 AM	#15 (permalink)
localexperts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 1,835 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	The Local Experts Network get more traffic than Hollywood.TV. Anyone who is in marketing, realizes that TV ads are horrible for getting people to come to a web site. My former company purchased a super bowl ad. It was a small blimp of extra traffic and then back to regular levels. IE. a waste http://www.quantcast.com/p-2coUlW7v6dBfI http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.tv We have our traffic without wasting alot of energy and money in promoting in print, traditional media, outdoor, etc - all things we have tried and realized are worthless promoting an internet site. Heck, my former company was on the front page of 40% of the yellow pages in the US - did nothing for us. Don't think for a minute that being splattered across TVs means you will dominate the world in the cyberspace Look CBSCares.TV is promoted all the time on CBS http://www.quantcast.com/profile/no-...in=cbscares.tv http://www.quantcast.com/profile/no-...in=cbscares.tv Look nothing Last edited by localexperts; 08-09-2008 at 07:37 AM.

08-09-2008, 08:16 AM	#20 (permalink)
localexperts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 1,835 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	I like intelligent debate. I normally can see and argue boths sides of a debate. But I can't make any argument to support this assertion. PS> Like you siggie - Reminds me of one - Whip me, Beat me, Make me reg bad domains. Last edited by localexperts; 08-09-2008 at 08:19 AM.

08-08-2008, 07:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
localexperts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 1,835 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hol....tv/?metric=uv hmm

08-08-2008, 08:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
localexperts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 1,835 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.com http://www.quantcast.com/hollywood.tv Quantcast is close to the compete.com numbers. IMHO yes more accurate than alexa

08-08-2008, 09:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
localexperts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 1,835 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	The .COM is not getting good traffic because of the .TV. Hollywood.com is owned by a public US company. They have access to millions which can be used to brand build and drive traffic to that domain. This leakage would be more concerning if it was high http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hol...com/?metric=uv

08-09-2008, 07:26 AM	#13 (permalink)
localexperts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 1,835 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	http://siteanalytics.compete.com/off...com/?metric=uv the .com is getting very little leakage from my marketing efforts on officiants.tv

08-09-2008, 08:08 AM	#17 (permalink)
mckennaronnie Account Closed Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: no telling ye Posts: 2,285 210.00 NP$ (Donate)	I own a developed .Tv & also the tv.com but only ever advertise the .tv site URL, the tv.com gets virtually no traffic at all so In my experience leakage from .tv's in very little. Especially not enough to convince me "if .COM is getting good traffic from .TV this means that the premium .TVs are greatly overvalued and maybe close to being worthless" That comment really winds me up.

08-09-2008, 08:44 AM	#23 (permalink)
localexperts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 1,835 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	In the states, we say "are you on crack?"

08-09-2008, 08:59 AM	#25 (permalink)
localexperts Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LocalExperts.com Posts: 1,835 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	none of my .TV sites have enough type in or direct navigation traffic to build a business. In fact, all of my .COMs don't have enough type in traffic to build a business. When we are ready, we will promote them like we promote our other sites. Without promotion and quality content (ie schtick), my geo .tv domains don't stand a chance against the .com geos. In Warsaw, VA in the 1980s, "are you on crack?" was a very popular response. Please, no Polish jokes - I've heard them all. My wife says I look Polish when my grandparents' surnames were Brooks, Pickering, and ENGLISH! I'm 100% English, that is why I married an Indian. To get a little variety in the gene pool. Last edited by localexperts; 08-09-2008 at 09:04 AM.

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