I much prefer .tv as it looks much better, is easier to brand/market, easier for users to remember and it is being known as THE choice for Video/Media sites that will become more & more popular as TV & The Internet become one.
.TV will become King, just now people still love the security feeling a .com gives them but as .tv gets better known and accepted then i'm sure tv.com will fade into the background.
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Its that time of the month again - the regular TV.com versus .TV contest. Should we really be so insecure about owning a .tv or TV.com name?
The upshot is always the same.
.TV is really fab, but has annoying premiums and needs more work to be recognised with the public. It also suggests simply 'television'. However, if it eventually comes off as it has promised to do so for so very long, it will bring great rewards for many in this forum.
TV.com is a less risky proposition in the short to medium term but is an extra four digits. It also suggests 'television, but as a part of the converged web2.0 world.
If I were a major corporation I would buy both.
If I were you, I would buy both.
The real question is simple: what are non-domaining internet users more psyched-up to see as 'natural'. If you can answer that then you just might be successful.
KentTV .com calls itself 'Kent TV' and yet only owns the .com
Sometimes we overthink the .tv/tv.com question.
If you examine successful entrants to the internet then you will see that the name they chose was important - but their content and promotion was even more so.
If I was setting up a internet TV channel about Domainers I wouldn't be too bothered if I had Domain.tv or DomainTV.com as a name.
The trademark implications here are probably more of a cause for concern.
Reason: This poll is posted under .tv forum section so the results are highly biased. Most .tv holders voted for .tv but in reality .tv is nowhere as good as tv.com domain. Even if you develop *.tv, lost of your traffic will end up at *tv.com domain. Then unpredictable .tv renewal fees are stopping investors from paying high prices for .tv aftermarket sales.
This advice is only for newbies, not for seasoned domainers. Seasoned domainers know what they are doing when they buy few .tv domains.
If you want to test my theory, start the same poll in regular "domain discussion forum" section, and then see the poll results......you will be surprised.
Just my 2 cents......trying to help newbies from losing money.
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Last edited by rickkumar : 05-11-2008 at 07:26 AM.
I would agree that these results will come out biased as the majority of answers come from .tv owners.
Regarding your other points i think you are being a bit harsh on .tv. I own developed .tv's and find that not too much traffic is lost to tv.com, i regged the tv.com's as a back up but the traffic going there is a tiny % (In my experience)
Regards Aftermarket Sales i think .tv sales are selling OK, the Premium pricing does put off some buyers but many are not put off paying $xxx per year for a domain that may cost you $xxx,xxx to buy in .com
Aftermarket sales in .tv are growing all the time with prices rising continually even with MANY really large sales not being mentioned at buyers request.
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What do you mean unpredictable premium renewal fees?
The renewal fees on premium names stay the same once set.
What makes you a seasoned domainer?
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I voted .tv
The question here is .tv or tv.com.
Of course .com will always be king, (for everything else).
But for ease and simplicity, and for the more natural looks, and sounding...I believe .tv is and will be better.
Rick you rock for coming here and giving us your view - thank you.
I agree with much you put forward in your original post. Perhaps we are too close to the .tv subject at times to be truly objective. Of course we like .TV - that's why we are here.
I spend much of my time acquiring TV.coms because it is still possible to handreg a real beauty (I got a major resort destination on TV.com today as an example). These same names on nearly all other extensions do not exist. That creates an invaluable opportunity - and many here have been quick to jump in (regardless of what we voted).
Yes, we are .TV first (mostly) but there is a sneaking fear held by many on this forum that they may never see their money back again - and that negativity manifests itself time after time by the search for some daddy to come along and tell us it is all going to be OK.
I for one welcome straight talk where my money is concerned - and I assume most others do as well.
If we ask people for their view and then knock them for giving us their honest opinion - just because it doesn't fit in with what we want to hear - then we are truly delusional.
LocalExperts had posted a thread about how Google treats .Tv differently. I had initially argued against George because of inaccuracies in his test group. I have refined my opinion. After making a few sites with .TV, I have had interesting results.
After these experiences I would say TV.com vs Keyword.Tv are direct competitors rather than Keyword.com vs Keyword.Tv. At least that is how google seems to be weighing it with their current algorithms.
While I like them both, things being the way they are now TV.com has the advantage in the short run as a direct competitor. Aftermarket sales being higher in general and the way google is reading the vast majority of .Tv domains leads me to the conclusion that TV.com is more acceptable to an enduser. Eventually googles algorithm will undoubtedly give more credence to all solid Keyword domains in every extension as the net gets increasingly polluted. IMO the .Tv is the extension to have in the future. TV.com is a great extension to sell now.
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I have been domaing for last 10 years and have learned many lessons the hard way. I am just saying that having a *tv.com is good as .com is a default extension worldwide plus renewals are damn cheap so resale value is good. .com gets part of the traffic from all TLDs worldwide and will just get better and better as more other TLDs of any *tv.com domain are developed.
Just wanted to say it the way I feel it but I respect everyones opinion and if you can afford .tv and believe in it....just go for it.
PS: We own lot of TV.com domains including some .net/org but no .tv (mostly due to high fees)
Thank you.
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Last edited by rickkumar : 05-11-2008 at 01:13 PM.
I'm sorry but this is groundless and can be proved wrong very easily.
Let's compare the recent sales of .tv and tv.com domains.
For this comparison, I'll be using domain sales data as provided by Namebio.com since the beginning of March 2008 (that would be fair to study recent sales in the current market).
tv.com domains : 17 domains sold
5 highest sales since March 2008
hotgirlstv.com $1,200
cleantv.com $1,100
health-tv.com $1,020
sauditv.com $1,002
discovermetv.com $1,000
.tv : 105 domains sold
5 highest sales since March 2008
fussball.tv $28,367
viajar.tv $12,647
it.tv $12,500
welcome.tv $10,000
ntv.tv $5,680
As you can see, there have been recently far more .tv sales than tv.com ones, and these sales have generally been much higher.
Despite what some people say, .tv domains have already won the battle against tv.com. and the gap will keep getting wider and wider in the years to come, as more and more Internet users get aware of this extension and more and more businesses develop and promote videocentric sites.
First of all you cant take sales from March 2008 - May 2008, that is not a fair test group. If you make any test group small enough you can sway any results in which ever favor you choose. I am talking about, historical sales. Historically TV.com has had higher sales than .TV, at least publicly.
Second I dont think .TV has "won", but I do agree that .Tv will eventually be the extension of choice for videocentric sites.
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What did you say in your previous post ? "things being the way they are now TV.com has the advantage in the short run as a direct competitor. Aftermarket sales being higher in general"
You were specifically talking about "now", which means the current market, right ? That's why I studied recent sales (2 months or so IS definitely fair, but we could study sales since the beginning of April or since the beginning of 2008 and the results would be very similar).
But now you're replying that "historically TV.com has had higher sales".
We're talking about the current market (you were specifically talking about how the market is "now"). So I studied recent sales while you're talking about "historical sales".
I'm sorry but you're the one who "sways any results in which ever favor you choose".
There have been many many more .tv sales in recent times than tv.com ones and the highest sales have recently all been for .tv domains and not for tv.com. Facts are extremely clear on that point.
We definitely agree on that point. But the fact that things have already started to swing in favour of .tv in the aftermarket recently and it seems that you haven't realized it yet.
Last edited by michaeldotcom : 05-11-2008 at 04:05 PM.
Just because there was not a "recent" high sales volume of TV.com does not detract from its value. You have to take many factors into account including PAST sales to determine the value Now. If I tried to value all of my domains based only on recent sales my domains may as well be worthless.
Namebio does not archive every sale of wither .TV or TV.com. I know of a multi million TV.com deal a few years ago. To my knowledge there are no multi-million dollar .tv sales. Why not include all sales from 2008, were you trying to exclude the $80,000 soccertv.com sale?
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Be sure that I'm not trying to exclude any sales at all. I'm just trying to have a honest look at the current market.
I would never say that tv.com domains don't have any value and I find it's great that there have indeed been some great tv.com sales. The better the market for videocentric domains is, the better it is for .tv
I agree that Namebio doesn't archive every domain sale and we all know that many many domain sales are kept private, including many big ones. This definitely makes it more difficult to get the bigger picture.
We can only analyze things with the data we have. There may have been some multi-million sales of .tv or tv.com sales recently which we may not be aware of, but that's impossible to study.
What I can say is that over the past few months things have swung in favour of .tv in the aftermarket and that we're seeing more and more .tv sales and that these sales have been higher and higher in value. Nowadays reported $x,xxx .tv sales are very common while they weren't 2 or 3 years ago.
No problem if you want to include all sales from 2008.
Namebio lists only 20 tv.com domain sales in 2008, while it lists 154 .tv domain sales in 2008.
While it's true that soccertv.com was a very nice sale, there have been many more big .tv sales in 2008 than tv.com ones.
all i personally know is i have sold way more .tv's- and get way more inquiries and offers on my .tv's than my tv.coms over the past year- and i own quite a few of both-
i believe they will both work in their individual ways
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I definitely think that .tv is much more natural and more brandable than tv.com
I mean, if you look back to old extensions like .com, .net, .co.uk, etc. their websites have always been generic.com or geo.com or brandable.com (for example, business.com, london.com, google.com).
I don't see why it should be different with .tv, as it looks much clearer, shorter and more natural. I mean it wouldn't look right to have googlecom.com, and I've never thought that tv.com domains look really brandable.
Now it can be good to have tv.com if you own/develop a .tv domain, just to avoid losing traffic, just like it can be good to also have the hyphenated version or the plural version or whatever.
But I personally wouldn't develop a tv.com domain and the only tv.com domains that I own are the ones where I own the .tv
