CityChannel vs CityState

MCB.TV · 04-19-2008, 04:17 PM

The great thing about this forum is that we all have views and healthy debates while for the most part looking to all do well with the .TV TLD.

One of the hotter spaces in the .TV space is the Geo Domain Market, where there is certainly not a lack of debate and chatter as we all know about the best way to penetrate the market.

One think I think we all agree on is the obvious that within the .TV space the generic city name is head and shoulders above all other Geo .TV conventions.

I maintain that when we look at where things are going Geo Channel .TV is the best alternative to the generic name.

Some like my friend (Dreams Comes True) feel City State is the 2nd best alternative by far.

My feeling is if you are trying to create and brand an online "Channel" for a city and cannot get the generic, long term the most intuitive and generic in its own right will be CityChannel.tv. It is simple clear and the point.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/459594-citychannel-vs-citystate.html

1. City Channel says what is it directly in the name. It is clean simple and in many cases "Channel" is much shorter and cleaner then the state name. For example, BostonChannel.tv vs BostonMassachusetts.tv or PhiladelphiaChannel.tv vs PhiladelphiaPennslyvania.tv

2. "Channel" and what it will mean in general is vital to understand beyond even the geo market.

We know that Keyword Channel has nice sales and will continue to in the future. The convention "Channel" means something across the spectrum and will be "branded" for not just geos but non geos too. This will add more "brand value" to this convention that CityState can not match.

Names like BusinessChannel.tv NewsChannel.tv SportsChannel.tv have huge potential and there branding will only help with the CityChannel.tv brand IMO as the very essence of a "channel" is what is the future of watching online TV.

3. Yes more CityState.com's have sold and for some big mubers like BosieIdaho.com for six figures but that does not translate to this argument.

What we are talking about here which is an online channel for your city. Look at Boston.tv which says "Your City, Your Channel". To rely on .com citystate.com sales has no bearing on the value of CityState.tv when it comes to the future and the future value of what the value of a city channel is.

In other words, I maintain in five years, PhoenixChannel.tv will be of more value in the open market to create an online channel for Phoenix then PhoenixArizona.tv will be.

4. Search, in the future, I maintain that search engines will give priority to generic City Channels when people search for online video content related to their cities over city state .tv's. People will search for content and things will be indexed based on channels they are looking for.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594

5. Most City Channel .tv's were reged before the City State .tv's were. There is a reason for this. Many like myself see the vision of where this is headed and are not relying on past sales data that has no bearing on the future on online channels. We are looking to the future and IMO hands down City Channel will carry a better brand value then City State .TV.

Conclusion:

Both CityChannel.tv and CityState.tv can and will be powerful.

My feeling as stated above is if I am going to create a brand and channel for a city and cannot get the generic I would rather brand and create a "CityChannel.tv over a "CityState.tv"

At worst you can say they are of equal value IMO at this point is time.

I am interested in hearing what others have to say about this topic.

We know "Dreams Comes True "disagrees and I have a ton of respect for him and I know he will be successful with his CityState's I have no doubt in my mind. I just think he is misguided when he says that CityState is above CityChannel as he recently said in a post about Geo Guides.tv

evirtual1 · 04-19-2008, 06:25 PM

i dont have any but the citychannel is far better i feel

heroes · 04-19-2008, 06:31 PM

Good points made in your post.

I will say this though. As someone who is not living in North America, the City followed by the State may not be intuiative. To use your example - know that there is the city Philadelphia and there is the State of Pennslyvania, but dont know or unsure that Philadelphia is a city in Pennslyvania.

This may sound dumb to you guys in the US, but just consider other city names around the world and in Asia etc.

Therefore, on all points the [City]Channel.tv has the most power IMO.

boboski · 04-19-2008, 06:46 PM

i have californiachannel.tv orlandochannel.net winterparkchannel.com

dreamscometrue · 04-19-2008, 09:45 PM

B.

We will agree to disagree. I still don't understand the reason behind this thread, or the poll, but now I feel the direct need to reply.

"IF" you do the statistics of domain registrations, developments, resales, DN, SEO, PPC, (keyword advertising via search engines), there is nothing to compare.

1) Research when the .com "citystates" were registered.
2) You can STILL hand reg "citychannel.COM's"...get my point?
3) You can't find a "citystate" in *ANY* TLD, but the "citychannel" are available.
4) Research the traffic to "citystates" :vs: "citychannel".
5) Research the percent of *developed* "citystates" :vs: "citychannel".
6) **Research** how valuable the "PPC" is for "citystates" :vs: "citychannel".
7) Research the wordtracker for "citystates" :vs: "citychannel".
8) Research the resale prices for "citystates" :vs: "citychannel".

AthensGeorgia.com $11,010 Oct 06 SnapNames
BajaCalifornia.com: $95,500 Apr 07 DNJournal
BoiseIdaho.com $175,000 Sep 07 Private

...these are ONLY a few. Find out for yourself and contact a CityState.com owner and find out his "asking price". I can tell you now from experience, it will be xx,xx-xxx,xxx without question.
----------------------------------------------------------------
TravelBoston.com: $8,077 Jun 06 SnapNames *(2nd largest "Travel" sale on file)
TravelChina com $11,100 Jan 05 SnapNames *(Largest "Travel" sale on file)
SarasotaGuide.com $400 Mar 06 Afternic *(Example of a NICE city @ peanuts!)
JapanGuide com $40,000 Oct 07 Afternic *(Largest "GEOGuide" sale on file)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594
CasinoGuide.com $75,000 Jan 08 Sedo *(Largest "Guide" sale on file)
StarChannel.com $18,000 Nov 07 Afternic *(Largest "Channel" sale on file)

Listen folks, the reality is "channel" makes PERFECT sense with .TV and CAN and WILL be used! I think they are valuable, no questions asked! At the end of the day however, in my *PERSONAL, honest opinion, I would rather follow the exact generic form of the word, (geo) for all of the factual reasons above.

Also, not to mention, the word "channel" is not a universal term:

In Spanish: "canal"
In Portuguese: "canal"
In French: "chaîne"
In German: "kanal"
In Norwegian: "kanal"
In Italian: "canale"
In Dutch: "het kanaal"
In Russian: "канал"
In Simplified Chinese: "渠道"
In Traditional Chinese: "途徑"
In Japanese: "チャンネル"

Have a good night.

MCB.TV · 04-19-2008, 10:08 PM

NY

Very well stated.

I know when this is all said and done you will be one of the guys at the top of the .TV mountain with a very successful business.

In the end anything that is not the true generic (pure city name) will lose market share to the generic.

Everything else including CityChannel and CityState will all depend on development and that will make the difference.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594

The jury is out on which will hold more value in the future.

Personally, I prefer CityChannel for an "Online City Channel" but like you said, on this one we agree to disagree on which will have more value in the future.

City State and City Channel will both be viable and that I know we both agree on.

I'm rooting for you big time NY and look forward to seeing great things from you!

dreamscometrue · 04-19-2008, 10:17 PM

Thanks.

...The bottom line is. WE *BOTH NEED TO FORGET ABOUT *E V E R Y T H I N G* ELSE, and develop Dallas.TV, Houston.TV, etc, etc, AND Jacksonville.TV, period.

We've spent a RIDICULOUS amount of time, money and energy in this game and now it's time to step up to the plate...

...I'm going to swing until I connect.

NY

TheBulldog · 04-19-2008, 10:27 PM

I voted but didn't say anything, spose I should.

I did vote for citychannel.tv, but ONLY for one reason. With this extension in particular, it just seems to flow better.

Does that make it more valuable? I don't know.

Dreamscometrue is fond of citystate.tv's as I know from personal experience. I just happen to like the citychannels better.

For example, would you prefer: ParisFrance.tv or ParisChannel.tv? To me, ParisChannel.tv would be more valuable for ENGLISH speaking nations. After that, you have to look at ParisChaine.tv.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594

NOW, all of that being said, if we focus only on on the us version of citystate type thing, do you feel that citySTATEabreviation is better or CityState?

For example, NewYorkNY.tv, or NewYorkNewYork.tv? So here is what I am thinking in order of value:

ChicagoChannel.tv
ChicagoIL.tv
ChicagoIllinois.tv

That is ONLY my opinion. I just happen to like state abbreviations myself.

dreamscometrue · 04-19-2008, 10:45 PM

Glad you posted Bulldog!

I, as always, respect everyones opinion, as long as it's educated and researched.

My FINAL words:

As mentioned before, "CHANNEL" is a valuable asset that people will develop! Just not as valuable as a "CITYSTATE" on *ANY TLD, period. Facts are FACTS. Please RE-read the 8 reasons why in my previous post. City/StateInitials is another alternative, but the Google ADS and WordTracker PROVE they are NOT as valuable as a "CITYSTATE" on ANY day. *ANOTHER* fact is MANY people do not know other states Initials, let alone people across the world. THINK PEOPLE. Look at the 2 decades of domain name SALES and DEVELOPMENTS...if you look--you will find the answer to this senseless debate.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594

In closing, below are the "WordTracker-Keyword Searches"...it's not even close.

(I chose the most popular city in the world so the numbers would make more sense)

1) Las Vegas Nevada: 498
2) Las Vegas NV: 133
3) Las Vegas Channel: "0"

GOOGLE ads:

1) Las Vegas Nevada: 75
2) Las Vegas NV: 68
3) Las Vegas Channel: 0

I don't care if Bin Laden or Bill Gates posts in this thread, this is my last.

Thanks for reading!

NY

Red Rock · 04-19-2008, 11:05 PM

Wow,
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594
Great points from everone in this thread!
I KNOW that "today" I definitely want to develop City/State first, so my vote is for City/State.
For future development....I think you stated 5 yrs, down the road...
Lets say 5, 10, or whatever.
Who knows what we will call the "page"???
Will it still be channel?
As in the tv reference, or could it change to page, or site???
ChicagoSite, ChicagoNet, ChicagoOnline.
Whatever it may be (it may not be the classic retro term "channel"), it is bound to change.
But there will ALWAYS be one consistent, FOREVER.
ChicagoIllinois will always have more relevance than whatever word, after Chicago.
That second word could change "yearly" with the rapid pace of online business entrepenuers.
But Chicago will always be in Illinois.
And to Bulldogs observation, I agree 110%.
State abbreviations are much better than the entire state name.
Great thread!
Take Care,
Red Rock!

htmlindex · 04-20-2008, 12:46 AM

CityState.tv would get my vote

xman · 08-13-2008, 11:27 AM

CityState for me

cityforums.com · 08-13-2008, 03:40 PM

Sanchay citystate gets my vote ...

because its .TV, channel is redundant and superflous imho.

evirtual1 · 08-14-2008, 02:08 AM

channel goes with .tv , imho

cityforums.com · 08-14-2008, 05:59 AM

fightchannel.TV or fight.TV

... channel goes with .TV if you want to be second best.

View Poll Results: What would you rather own to create an online channel for you city ?
CityState.tv	9	37.50%
CityChannel.tv	14	58.33%
I see them as being equal	1	4.17%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

04-19-2008, 04:17 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
MCB.TV NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 655	CityChannel vs CityState The great thing about this forum is that we all have views and healthy debates while for the most part looking to all do well with the .TV TLD. One of the hotter spaces in the .TV space is the Geo Domain Market, where there is certainly not a lack of debate and chatter as we all know about the best way to penetrate the market. One think I think we all agree on is the obvious that within the .TV space the generic city name is head and shoulders above all other Geo .TV conventions. I maintain that when we look at where things are going Geo Channel .TV is the best alternative to the generic name. Some like my friend (Dreams Comes True) feel City State is the 2nd best alternative by far. My feeling is if you are trying to create and brand an online "Channel" for a city and cannot get the generic, long term the most intuitive and generic in its own right will be CityChannel.tv. It is simple clear and the point. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/459594-citychannel-vs-citystate.html 1. City Channel says what is it directly in the name. It is clean simple and in many cases "Channel" is much shorter and cleaner then the state name. For example, BostonChannel.tv vs BostonMassachusetts.tv or PhiladelphiaChannel.tv vs PhiladelphiaPennslyvania.tv 2. "Channel" and what it will mean in general is vital to understand beyond even the geo market. We know that Keyword Channel has nice sales and will continue to in the future. The convention "Channel" means something across the spectrum and will be "branded" for not just geos but non geos too. This will add more "brand value" to this convention that CityState can not match. Names like BusinessChannel.tv NewsChannel.tv SportsChannel.tv have huge potential and there branding will only help with the CityChannel.tv brand IMO as the very essence of a "channel" is what is the future of watching online TV. 3. Yes more CityState.com's have sold and for some big mubers like BosieIdaho.com for six figures but that does not translate to this argument. What we are talking about here which is an online channel for your city. Look at Boston.tv which says "Your City, Your Channel". To rely on .com citystate.com sales has no bearing on the value of CityState.tv when it comes to the future and the future value of what the value of a city channel is. In other words, I maintain in five years, PhoenixChannel.tv will be of more value in the open market to create an online channel for Phoenix then PhoenixArizona.tv will be. 4. Search, in the future, I maintain that search engines will give priority to generic City Channels when people search for online video content related to their cities over city state .tv's. People will search for content and things will be indexed based on channels they are looking for. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594 5. Most City Channel .tv's were reged before the City State .tv's were. There is a reason for this. Many like myself see the vision of where this is headed and are not relying on past sales data that has no bearing on the future on online channels. We are looking to the future and IMO hands down City Channel will carry a better brand value then City State .TV. Conclusion: Both CityChannel.tv and CityState.tv can and will be powerful. My feeling as stated above is if I am going to create a brand and channel for a city and cannot get the generic I would rather brand and create a "CityChannel.tv over a "CityState.tv" At worst you can say they are of equal value IMO at this point is time. I am interested in hearing what others have to say about this topic. We know "Dreams Comes True "disagrees and I have a ton of respect for him and I know he will be successful with his CityState's I have no doubt in my mind. I just think he is misguided when he says that CityState is above CityChannel as he recently said in a post about Geo Guides.tv Last edited by poodleman; 04-19-2008 at 06:07 PM.

04-19-2008, 06:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
evirtual1 NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: VampireHire.Com Posts: 6,807	i dont have any but the citychannel is far better i feel __________________ Domain Name Investors Ebook ...perfect gift for the newbies Business Show Watch The Domainers Song Seeking serious offers .. F-X-T.com = Forex Trading

04-19-2008, 10:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
TheBulldog Your Showbiz Connection Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spam-It's what's for dinner. Posts: 4,725	I voted but didn't say anything, spose I should. I did vote for citychannel.tv, but ONLY for one reason. With this extension in particular, it just seems to flow better. Does that make it more valuable? I don't know. Dreamscometrue is fond of citystate.tv's as I know from personal experience. I just happen to like the citychannels better. For example, would you prefer: ParisFrance.tv or ParisChannel.tv? To me, ParisChannel.tv would be more valuable for ENGLISH speaking nations. After that, you have to look at ParisChaine.tv. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594 NOW, all of that being said, if we focus only on on the us version of citystate type thing, do you feel that citySTATEabreviation is better or CityState? For example, NewYorkNY.tv, or NewYorkNewYork.tv? So here is what I am thinking in order of value: ChicagoChannel.tv ChicagoIL.tv ChicagoIllinois.tv That is ONLY my opinion. I just happen to like state abbreviations myself. __________________ ════════════════►◊ Funny Google Voice Translations

04-19-2008, 10:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
dreamscometrue NamePros Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North America Posts: 184	Glad you posted Bulldog! I, as always, respect everyones opinion, as long as it's educated and researched. My FINAL words: As mentioned before, "CHANNEL" is a valuable asset that people will develop! Just not as valuable as a "CITYSTATE" on ANY TLD, period. Facts are FACTS. Please RE-read the 8 reasons why in my previous post. City/StateInitials is another alternative, but the Google ADS and WordTracker PROVE they are NOT as valuable as a "CITYSTATE" on ANY day. ANOTHER* fact is MANY people do not know other states Initials, let alone people across the world. THINK PEOPLE. Look at the 2 decades of domain name SALES and DEVELOPMENTS...if you look--you will find the answer to this senseless debate. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594 In closing, below are the "WordTracker-Keyword Searches"...it's not even close. (I chose the most popular city in the world so the numbers would make more sense) 1) Las Vegas Nevada: 498 2) Las Vegas NV: 133 3) Las Vegas Channel: "0" GOOGLE ads: 1) Las Vegas Nevada: 75 2) Las Vegas NV: 68 3) Las Vegas Channel: 0 I don't care if Bin Laden or Bill Gates posts in this thread, this is my last. Thanks for reading! NY Last edited by dreamscometrue; 04-19-2008 at 11:27 PM. Reason: typo

04-19-2008, 06:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
heroes NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 743	Good points made in your post. I will say this though. As someone who is not living in North America, the City followed by the State may not be intuiative. To use your example - know that there is the city Philadelphia and there is the State of Pennslyvania, but dont know or unsure that Philadelphia is a city in Pennslyvania. This may sound dumb to you guys in the US, but just consider other city names around the world and in Asia etc. Therefore, on all points the [City]Channel.tv has the most power IMO.

04-19-2008, 06:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
boboski NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 617	i have californiachannel.tv orlandochannel.net winterparkchannel.com

04-19-2008, 09:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
dreamscometrue NamePros Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North America Posts: 184	B. We will agree to disagree. I still don't understand the reason behind this thread, or the poll, but now I feel the direct need to reply. "IF" you do the statistics of domain registrations, developments, resales, DN, SEO, PPC, (keyword advertising via search engines), there is nothing to compare. 1) Research when the .com "citystates" were registered. 2) You can STILL hand reg "citychannel.COM's"...get my point? 3) You can't find a "citystate" in ANY TLD, but the "citychannel" are available. 4) Research the traffic to "citystates" :vs: "citychannel". 5) Research the percent of developed "citystates" :vs: "citychannel". 6) Research how valuable the "PPC" is for "citystates" :vs: "citychannel". 7) Research the wordtracker for "citystates" :vs: "citychannel". 8) Research the resale prices for "citystates" :vs: "citychannel". AthensGeorgia.com $11,010 Oct 06 SnapNames BajaCalifornia.com: $95,500 Apr 07 DNJournal BoiseIdaho.com $175,000 Sep 07 Private ...these are ONLY a few. Find out for yourself and contact a CityState.com owner and find out his "asking price". I can tell you now from experience, it will be xx,xx-xxx,xxx without question. ---------------------------------------------------------------- TravelBoston.com: $8,077 Jun 06 SnapNames (2nd largest "Travel" sale on file) TravelChina com $11,100 Jan 05 SnapNames (Largest "Travel" sale on file) SarasotaGuide.com $400 Mar 06 Afternic (Example of a NICE city @ peanuts!) JapanGuide com $40,000 Oct 07 Afternic (Largest "GEOGuide" sale on file) ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594 CasinoGuide.com $75,000 Jan 08 Sedo (Largest "Guide" sale on file) StarChannel.com $18,000 Nov 07 Afternic (Largest "Channel" sale on file) Listen folks, the reality is "channel" makes PERFECT sense with .TV and CAN and WILL be used! I think they are valuable, no questions asked! At the end of the day however, in my *PERSONAL, honest opinion, I would rather follow the exact generic form of the word, (geo) for all of the factual reasons above. Also, not to mention, the word "channel" is not a universal term: In Spanish: "canal" In Portuguese: "canal" In French: "chaîne" In German: "kanal" In Norwegian: "kanal" In Italian: "canale" In Dutch: "het kanaal" In Russian: "канал" In Simplified Chinese: "渠道" In Traditional Chinese: "途徑" In Japanese: "チャンネル" Have a good night.

04-19-2008, 10:08 PM	THREAD STARTER #6 (permalink)
MCB.TV NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 655	NY Very well stated. I know when this is all said and done you will be one of the guys at the top of the .TV mountain with a very successful business. In the end anything that is not the true generic (pure city name) will lose market share to the generic. Everything else including CityChannel and CityState will all depend on development and that will make the difference. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594 The jury is out on which will hold more value in the future. Personally, I prefer CityChannel for an "Online City Channel" but like you said, on this one we agree to disagree on which will have more value in the future. City State and City Channel will both be viable and that I know we both agree on. I'm rooting for you big time NY and look forward to seeing great things from you!

04-19-2008, 10:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
dreamscometrue NamePros Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North America Posts: 184	Thanks. ...The bottom line is. WE BOTH NEED TO FORGET ABOUT E V E R Y T H I N G* ELSE, and develop Dallas.TV, Houston.TV, etc, etc, AND Jacksonville.TV, period. We've spent a RIDICULOUS amount of time, money and energy in this game and now it's time to step up to the plate... ...I'm going to swing until I connect. NY

04-19-2008, 11:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Red Rock Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 999	Wow, ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=459594 Great points from everone in this thread! I KNOW that "today" I definitely want to develop City/State first, so my vote is for City/State. For future development....I think you stated 5 yrs, down the road... Lets say 5, 10, or whatever. Who knows what we will call the "page"??? Will it still be channel? As in the tv reference, or could it change to page, or site??? ChicagoSite, ChicagoNet, ChicagoOnline. Whatever it may be (it may not be the classic retro term "channel"), it is bound to change. But there will ALWAYS be one consistent, FOREVER. ChicagoIllinois will always have more relevance than whatever word, after Chicago. That second word could change "yearly" with the rapid pace of online business entrepenuers. But Chicago will always be in Illinois. And to Bulldogs observation, I agree 110%. State abbreviations are much better than the entire state name. Great thread! Take Care, Red Rock!

04-20-2008, 12:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
htmlindex NamePros Legend Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,241	CityState.tv would get my vote __________________ GEO Sale!! - $15 each

08-13-2008, 11:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
xman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: X-I Posts: 2,878	CityState for me __________________ Vegetarian Hut ~ Sc.am

08-13-2008, 03:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
cityforums.com Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 1,115	Sanchay citystate gets my vote ... because its .TV, channel is redundant and superflous imho. __________________ AmericanForum.com Power to the People.

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08-14-2008, 05:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
cityforums.com Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 1,115	fightchannel.TV or fight.TV ... channel goes with .TV if you want to be second best. __________________ AmericanForum.com Power to the People.