What will it take

dpari · 03-31-2008, 08:04 PM

For the .tv extension to begin to have some success?

Rick Latona is not interested and all the other big players in the industry really laugh off the .tv extension as well.

So, my question is are we all just kidding ourselves or does somebody have a sound reason as to why we spend so much time and $$$ in this perceived area of weakness called Dot.tv.

michaeldotcom · 03-31-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by dpari

Rick Latona is not interested and all the other big players in the industry really laugh off the .tv extension as well.

I'm sorry, but despite his in-your-face background, Rick Latona is not the center of the world.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/451900-what-will-it-take.html

Many huge corporations/companies believe in .tv and has chosen .tv for their websites. They include :
- MGM Studios
- MTV
- VH1
- Mercedes Benz
- Audi
- Turner Broadcasting
- Comcast
- Ford Modeling
- Home Shopping Network
- Channel 5 (UK)
- ITV/UTV (UK)
- the Scottish Parliament
- Manchester United
- Liverpool FC
- FC Barcelona
- Bayern Munich
- and many more

RL · 03-31-2008, 08:18 PM

Its hard to be a leader following others.

The day I stop making sales with .TV is the day I'll reconsider...

So far, that hasn't happened.

And it doesn't look like it will anytime soon either.

Almost EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get offers for my .tv names... I'm thankful I've got some amazing names, but I hunted them down for a reason.. because I know they have value. I don't need any advice of the "big players" on .tv - that's for sure. They may have great advice for other things, but those who shoot down .tv obviously don't know what they're talking about.

Think about it - if you wanted to register names in the background with no real attention to yourself on what you were doing... would you want to endorse and announce your strategies? Or would you rather just collect great names in silence, knowing that its just a matter of time before the rest of the world catches on?

So, you can listen to others who found success elsewhere and don't care whether or not you fare well in life..

Or make your own way with research and sound business decisions.

From what I've seen thus far, some of the "big players" have already entered the game. Don't pay attention to what they say so much as what they do (register). Some of the BIGGEST domainers of all time already have their hands in .tv -- don't let the naysayers fool you.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

I hope this helps.

Good luck.

RL

freedom30 · 03-31-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by dpari

For the .tv extension to begin to have some success?

Rick Latona is not interested and all the other big players in the industry really laugh off the .tv extension as well.

So, my question is are we all just kidding ourselves or does somebody have a sound reason as to why we spend so much time and $$$ in this perceived area of weakness called Dot.tv.

Rick Latona and all the other big players? All I see of Rick Latona is the really elementary-designed and ego-saturated wallpaper NamePros wants to put on this forum which, by the way, I wish was back to a more intelligent and professional look they had before(if it ain't broke don't fix it, but what do I know?)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

I could care less of "Rick Latona and all the other big players".

TV is a brandable name with a fifty year history, more than a few decades than .com and is vetted for media. I'll hold my cards for now, thank you.

PS

This comment is sincere.

dpari · 03-31-2008, 08:24 PM

A superb response indeed. I do appreciate your insight and opinion.

Originally Posted by RL

Its hard to be a leader following others.

The day I stop making sales with .TV is the day I'll reconsider...

So far, that hasn't happened.

And it doesn't look like it will anytime soon either.

Almost EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get offers for my .tv names... I'm thankful I've got some amazing names, but I hunted them down for a reason.. because I know they have value. I don't need any advice of the "big players" on .tv - that's for sure. They may have great advice for other things, but those who shoot down .tv obviously don't know what they're talking about.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

Think about it - if you wanted to register names in the background with no real attention to yourself on what you were doing... would you want to endorse and announce your strategies? Or would you rather just collect great names in silence, knowing that its just a matter of time before the rest of the world catches on?

So, you can listen to others who found success elsewhere and don't care whether or not you fare well in life..

Or make your own way with research and sound business decisions.

From what I've seen thus far, some of the "big players" have already entered the game. Don't pay attention to what they say so much as what they do (register).

I hope this helps.

Good luck.

RL

TheBulldog · 03-31-2008, 08:35 PM

In no other words, I am fairly certain rick (RL) has heard quite enough about the eye twisting takeover of NP.

I can only say this, he must know something, or he wouldn't have been able to afford to take over the css for the amount of time he has. I assumed a week, but it looks like Rick is in it for the month.

I wish him the best and wish he would look at my load of tv's and give me a butt load for them.

Aside from that, being color blind has it's perks.

freedom30 · 03-31-2008, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by TheBulldog

I wish him the best and wish he would look at my load of tv's and give me a butt load for them.

Aside from that, being color blind has it's perks.

I wish he would do the same for moi as well, bullseye!

mcgauley10 · 03-31-2008, 09:24 PM

People have to get rid of the notion that they are going to make easy money in the domain name industry, dot tv in particular. How can anyone predict how .tv is a bad investment when the ENTIRE DOMAINING INDUSTRY is only 20 years old? Dont try and tell me that in 10 years that any geo.tv or keyword.tv is going to be worthless.

I dont know about everyone else, but I look at this as a long term investment, which I have no doubt that it will be a wise one.

equity78 · 03-31-2008, 09:26 PM

NO success ?

Roy (RL) has had success
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900
SearchingTV has had success
SKG has had success
Domain Acrobat has had success
Millers and ATL have had success
I have had success I came to .tv with $100
Argos has had success
Johntv has had success

I am sure many others here have had success. Now if success= rich, that is not my definition of success. Success imo is making much more than you put in to it. Again IMO

Let me also say I could care less what Rick Latona,Rick Schwartz, Frank Schilling or anyone else thinks. I never understood people looking for the acceptance of strangers they don't even know. ITS ALL UP TO YOU, those people will never be paying your bills or helping you become successful.

snoop · 03-31-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by dpari

For the .tv extension to begin to have some success?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

The problem is almost entirely due to reg fees in my view. Both the standard reg fees and the premiums. Without major sturtural changes by verisign this extension won't change much for speculators regardless of video taking off on the web.

Having said I would doubt verisign even see it as a problem. In terms of encouraging development and maximising registry profits, making speculation unprofitable as much as possible might be a good thing.

equity78 · 03-31-2008, 09:42 PM

That is a good point Snoop, Verisign does not care about speculators. In a 2006 conversation I had someone from Verisign told me "we do not care what domainers think about our premium pricing, this is a development extension." After that I knew they were not changing anything. The best thing for .tv IMO would be for Verisign to sell the .tv corp. They do not care about it enough to run it the right way. They only want the premium fee.

Roy that was an excellent post.

VV · 03-31-2008, 09:53 PM

I agree with the point snoop made about the fees.

For me, after all the dust settles, and both sides of the .TV argument have made valid points... the final and ultimate thing holding back the extension is registration & premium fees.

As a domain owner, business owner, or developer... if Pizza.com has a worth of say, 2.5 million... how would you figure the worth of Pizza.TV... let's even say that .TV became just as popular as .Com... The .Com owner is paying $8 a year to renew, but the .TV owner is paying what? $5,000 a year? $10,000 a year? More?

This has a major effect on a company's $$$$ bottom line.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

It's just a silly confusing mess, imho.

I like .TV and the idea of .TV being video/media extension, but the pricing structure is WHACKO.

equity78 · 03-31-2008, 09:59 PM

Well premiums are paid everyday. If I wanted SD.com I would imagine that name costing me a premium of $500,000 to $1,000,000.

I have SD.tv for $1000, the name I could afford, the name that was available in 2007. So each premium needs to be looked at carefully. Someone just bought Luxembourg.tv for $3130 (Congrats Michael like the domain alot was in the cart many a time in 2006 never regged it.) $250 premium renewal. Luxembourg.com would have had a "premium" of say $100,000 min upfront ?

michaeldotcom · 03-31-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by VV

As a domain owner, business owner, or developer... if Pizza.com has a worth of say, 2.5 million... how would you figure the worth of Pizza.TV... let's even say that .TV became just as popular as .Com... The .Com owner is paying $8 a year to renew, but the .TV owner is paying what? $5,000 a year? $10,000 a year? More?

Well, surprisingly, pizza.tv is actually NOT a premium and therefore it has just a normal renewal fee ($24.95 or so depending on the registrar). It's registered by a Chinese guy from Beijing.

frankiethepet · 03-31-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by dpari

For the .tv extension to begin to have some success?

Rick Latona is not interested and all the other big players in the industry really laugh off the .tv extension as well.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

So, my question is are we all just kidding ourselves or does somebody have a sound reason as to why we spend so much time and $$$ in this perceived area of weakness called Dot.tv.

READ my thoughts about this in my new thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-...-com-rule.html

evirtual1 · 03-31-2008, 10:32 PM

you can be a sheep or you can be a sheppard ????? ..... up to you i guess

namenut · 04-01-2008, 12:08 AM

I think dot TV is truly an end user extension. With huge marketing behind production. The end users best suited for the dot TV would be related to the mergence or marriage of mediums that will grant the consumer an A la Carte experience in digital media.... Broadcast "TV" is a "dino" not a "dyno" as it has been for so long.

My doubts are in the acronym "TV" being used for our viewing description too much longer. The use may change with tech and trends (ie:telephone to cordless phone and now cell phone or celly) rendering the extension a bit lost. We already call "TV" by some of it's newest nicknames in "cable". Often times dropping the "TV" suffix all together. Or Satellite and Dish.

I think the pricing is some what an attempt to limit the speculating and squatting. Also to add some "prestige" to the extension maybe. Developers will absorb the cost.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

I also think a big company would consider the dot TV name "a jewel in the crown rather than the crown on the jewel."

What would be the effects of ..... dot VID?

In my humble "O"
namenut

VV · 04-01-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by michaeldotcom

Well, surprisingly, pizza.tv is actually NOT a premium and therefore it has just a normal renewal fee ($24.95 or so depending on the registrar). It's registered by a Chinese guy from Beijing.

Interesting!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

How did that one slip thru the cracks? Or was it registered way-back?

MrRhee · 04-01-2008, 12:31 AM

...

equity78 · 04-01-2008, 12:38 AM

I see no fall off in the acronym TV in anyway. TV is tv and will always be imo VID means what in other languages. TV means the same universally recognized. That is the least of the extensions worries IMO

*RPK* · 04-01-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by RL

Its hard to be a leader following others.

The day I stop making sales with .TV is the day I'll reconsider...

So far, that hasn't happened.

And it doesn't look like it will anytime soon either.

Almost EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get offers for my .tv names... I'm thankful I've got some amazing names, but I hunted them down for a reason.. because I know they have value. I don't need any advice of the "big players" on .tv - that's for sure. They may have great advice for other things, but those who shoot down .tv obviously don't know what they're talking about.

Think about it - if you wanted to register names in the background with no real attention to yourself on what you were doing... would you want to endorse and announce your strategies? Or would you rather just collect great names in silence, knowing that its just a matter of time before the rest of the world catches on?

So, you can listen to others who found success elsewhere and don't care whether or not you fare well in life..

Or make your own way with research and sound business decisions.

From what I've seen thus far, some of the "big players" have already entered the game. Don't pay attention to what they say so much as what they do (register). Some of the BIGGEST domainers of all time already have their hands in .tv -- don't let the naysayers fool you.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

I hope this helps.

Good luck.

RL

I agree 100%

It doesn't really bother me what the "big boys" are doing. I'll keep selling names for 30 - 50x my investments.

hullswingerscom · 04-01-2008, 01:01 AM

if i had great coms like frank shilling i would not like tv...it would not be in my interest for tv to do well....

but the fact is i still dont use any tv site ..this is a com site were still talking on here we have not moved over to tv forum site like dntv ...same thing

equity78 · 04-01-2008, 01:46 AM

Well some good points you made Rhee, a few I am not sure I agree 100 %.
Since I created this forum, the first of its kind dedicated to an extension, let me answer your questions.

First off this is not a cult so I do not think everyone has to be a robot saying .tv great, secondly yes tv.com is permitted to be discussed as it has been long before many of you got here. When .tv on Namepros was 10 people.

We are all not in agreement on development or what is a good name. I see many names here where 10 people will say in a thread, "WOO nice job" "Great Name" I will not be negative or try to rain on someone elses parade, but there are plenty I think I would not want if you pushed it to me for free. I am sure others feel the same.

The comment about slowing down is not so as the traffic to the .tv section has never been higher. Now if you want to say worthwhile,informative, thought provoking threads, I agree.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900

We all do not agree on premium pricing, now I agree I see where it has helped in acquisition and complaining about it is a waste of time. Verisign does not care what others think about "their company."

Trolling threads or comments are deleted and some say they want to hear them.
I believe the # of people actually interested in development is in the minority. Most think I got a good name how much can I get ?

I agree with you just to focus on your own gameplan. Never care what anyone else thinks I have never understood that.

MicroGuy · 04-01-2008, 06:25 AM

Many of the top professional domainers are happy sticking with a conservative game plan that works. Investing in .TV is very speculative and they may figure that if it starts to take off they can simply jump on the bandwagon.

The day that Bio.tv stops redirecting to biography.com (which is totally goofy considering they plaster Bio.tv all over their programming), I think you'll see the Rick Latonas of the World start to pay attention.

michaeldotcom · 04-01-2008, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by VV

Interesting!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900
How did that one slip thru the cracks? Or was it registered way-back?

For your information, I've contacted the owner of pizza(.)tv and he wants about $150K for it.

If someone's interested, just contact him. It would be a pretty good investment IMHO.

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dpari Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 652	What will it take For the .tv extension to begin to have some success? Rick Latona is not interested and all the other big players in the industry really laugh off the .tv extension as well. So, my question is are we all just kidding ourselves or does somebody have a sound reason as to why we spend so much time and $$$ in this perceived area of weakness called Dot.tv.

03-31-2008, 08:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
RL Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,142	Its hard to be a leader following others. The day I stop making sales with .TV is the day I'll reconsider... So far, that hasn't happened. And it doesn't look like it will anytime soon either. Almost EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get offers for my .tv names... I'm thankful I've got some amazing names, but I hunted them down for a reason.. because I know they have value. I don't need any advice of the "big players" on .tv - that's for sure. They may have great advice for other things, but those who shoot down .tv obviously don't know what they're talking about. Think about it - if you wanted to register names in the background with no real attention to yourself on what you were doing... would you want to endorse and announce your strategies? Or would you rather just collect great names in silence, knowing that its just a matter of time before the rest of the world catches on? So, you can listen to others who found success elsewhere and don't care whether or not you fare well in life.. Or make your own way with research and sound business decisions. From what I've seen thus far, some of the "big players" have already entered the game. Don't pay attention to what they say so much as what they do (register). Some of the BIGGEST domainers of all time already have their hands in .tv -- don't let the naysayers fool you. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900 I hope this helps. Good luck. RL Last edited by RL; 03-31-2008 at 08:23 PM.

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TheBulldog Your Showbiz Connection Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spam-It's what's for dinner. Posts: 4,714	In no other words, I am fairly certain rick (RL) has heard quite enough about the eye twisting takeover of NP. I can only say this, he must know something, or he wouldn't have been able to afford to take over the css for the amount of time he has. I assumed a week, but it looks like Rick is in it for the month. I wish him the best and wish he would look at my load of tv's and give me a butt load for them. Aside from that, being color blind has it's perks. __________________ ════════════════►◊ Funny Google Voice Translations

03-31-2008, 09:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,639	NO success ? Roy (RL) has had success ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900 SearchingTV has had success SKG has had success Domain Acrobat has had success Millers and ATL have had success I have had success I came to .tv with $100 Argos has had success Johntv has had success I am sure many others here have had success. Now if success= rich, that is not my definition of success. Success imo is making much more than you put in to it. Again IMO Let me also say I could care less what Rick Latona,Rick Schwartz, Frank Schilling or anyone else thinks. I never understood people looking for the acceptance of strangers they don't even know. ITS ALL UP TO YOU, those people will never be paying your bills or helping you become successful. __________________ Host your website with name.com and get up to $10.99 off any domain registration First Quarter 2012 5 letter.com sales report

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equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,639	That is a good point Snoop, Verisign does not care about speculators. In a 2006 conversation I had someone from Verisign told me "we do not care what domainers think about our premium pricing, this is a development extension." After that I knew they were not changing anything. The best thing for .tv IMO would be for Verisign to sell the .tv corp. They do not care about it enough to run it the right way. They only want the premium fee. Roy that was an excellent post. __________________ Host your website with name.com and get up to $10.99 off any domain registration First Quarter 2012 5 letter.com sales report

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mcgauley10 NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 210	People have to get rid of the notion that they are going to make easy money in the domain name industry, dot tv in particular. How can anyone predict how .tv is a bad investment when the ENTIRE DOMAINING INDUSTRY is only 20 years old? Dont try and tell me that in 10 years that any geo.tv or keyword.tv is going to be worthless. I dont know about everyone else, but I look at this as a long term investment, which I have no doubt that it will be a wise one.

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VV NamePros Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 178	I agree with the point snoop made about the fees. For me, after all the dust settles, and both sides of the .TV argument have made valid points... the final and ultimate thing holding back the extension is registration & premium fees. As a domain owner, business owner, or developer... if Pizza.com has a worth of say, 2.5 million... how would you figure the worth of Pizza.TV... let's even say that .TV became just as popular as .Com... The .Com owner is paying $8 a year to renew, but the .TV owner is paying what? $5,000 a year? $10,000 a year? More? This has a major effect on a company's $$$$ bottom line. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900 It's just a silly confusing mess, imho. I like .TV and the idea of .TV being video/media extension, but the pricing structure is WHACKO. __________________ People are people, so why should it be...??? You and I should get along so... a w f u l l y. -Depeche Mode

03-31-2008, 09:59 PM	#13 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,639	Well premiums are paid everyday. If I wanted SD.com I would imagine that name costing me a premium of $500,000 to $1,000,000. I have SD.tv for $1000, the name I could afford, the name that was available in 2007. So each premium needs to be looked at carefully. Someone just bought Luxembourg.tv for $3130 (Congrats Michael like the domain alot was in the cart many a time in 2006 never regged it.) $250 premium renewal. Luxembourg.com would have had a "premium" of say $100,000 min upfront ? __________________ Host your website with name.com and get up to $10.99 off any domain registration First Quarter 2012 5 letter.com sales report

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namenut Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV. Posts: 3,442 Follow @namenut	I think dot TV is truly an end user extension. With huge marketing behind production. The end users best suited for the dot TV would be related to the mergence or marriage of mediums that will grant the consumer an A la Carte experience in digital media.... Broadcast "TV" is a "dino" not a "dyno" as it has been for so long. My doubts are in the acronym "TV" being used for our viewing description too much longer. The use may change with tech and trends (ie:telephone to cordless phone and now cell phone or celly) rendering the extension a bit lost. We already call "TV" by some of it's newest nicknames in "cable". Often times dropping the "TV" suffix all together. Or Satellite and Dish. I think the pricing is some what an attempt to limit the speculating and squatting. Also to add some "prestige" to the extension maybe. Developers will absorb the cost. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900 I also think a big company would consider the dot TV name "a jewel in the crown rather than the crown on the jewel." What would be the effects of ..... dot VID? In my humble "O" namenut

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04-01-2008, 12:38 AM	#20 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,639	I see no fall off in the acronym TV in anyway. TV is tv and will always be imo VID means what in other languages. TV means the same universally recognized. That is the least of the extensions worries IMO __________________ Host your website with name.com and get up to $10.99 off any domain registration First Quarter 2012 5 letter.com sales report

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hullswingerscom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: yorkshire Posts: 2,409	if i had great coms like frank shilling i would not like tv...it would not be in my interest for tv to do well.... but the fact is i still dont use any tv site ..this is a com site were still talking on here we have not moved over to tv forum site like dntv ...same thing __________________ www.transport.tv

04-01-2008, 01:46 AM	#23 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,639	Well some good points you made Rhee, a few I am not sure I agree 100 %. Since I created this forum, the first of its kind dedicated to an extension, let me answer your questions. First off this is not a cult so I do not think everyone has to be a robot saying .tv great, secondly yes tv.com is permitted to be discussed as it has been long before many of you got here. When .tv on Namepros was 10 people. We are all not in agreement on development or what is a good name. I see many names here where 10 people will say in a thread, "WOO nice job" "Great Name" I will not be negative or try to rain on someone elses parade, but there are plenty I think I would not want if you pushed it to me for free. I am sure others feel the same. The comment about slowing down is not so as the traffic to the .tv section has never been higher. Now if you want to say worthwhile,informative, thought provoking threads, I agree. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=451900 We all do not agree on premium pricing, now I agree I see where it has helped in acquisition and complaining about it is a waste of time. Verisign does not care what others think about "their company." Trolling threads or comments are deleted and some say they want to hear them. I believe the # of people actually interested in development is in the minority. Most think I got a good name how much can I get ? I agree with you just to focus on your own gameplan. Never care what anyone else thinks I have never understood that. __________________ Host your website with name.com and get up to $10.99 off any domain registration First Quarter 2012 5 letter.com sales report

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MicroGuy Miembro Especial Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Fourth Density Posts: 6,831	Many of the top professional domainers are happy sticking with a conservative game plan that works. Investing in .TV is very speculative and they may figure that if it starts to take off they can simply jump on the bandwagon. The day that Bio.tv stops redirecting to biography.com (which is totally goofy considering they plaster Bio.tv all over their programming), I think you'll see the Rick Latonas of the World start to pay attention. __________________ ...... Astral Projectors Do It In A Vortex!

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