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Old 01-29-2008, 05:51 PM THREAD STARTER               #1 (permalink)
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if push came to shove..........


and you HAD TO CHOOSE NOW, between owning a xxx.tv portfolio OR xxxtv.com portfolio - which would you choose?? - same exact names, just.com or .tv at the end of the domains.....
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i know al the .com is king stuff, but i fully believe that .tv is carving its own niche, and even tho you can say bliptv.com, i like the sound better of blip.tv.

to me, the tv.com sounds like an afterthought. like, a .com that tried to be....

but, i hold both, as i try and keep a diverse portfolio in the "tv/videocentric niche".
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Thats an easy one !


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Good question.

I prefer .tv as a niche but I also own keyword tv.com and etc. Hedge my bets.

For instance if debates.tv was open and its yearly fee I am perfectly happy with debatestv.com or printerstv.com. Besides those 2 are beginning gain some traffic.

For most part .tv even with higher registration expenses. Go .tv!
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i dunno, i always view xxxtv.com as the poor mans xxx.tv , but they seem to be selling high

I go with .tv, because I can afford to wait until the egg hatches
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I have to say....are we talking about the domain xxx.tv, or are we talking about exampleexampleexample.tv?

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if push came to shove nether i would have gone for LLLL.com
but to late now i made my choice so ill stay the coarse.
xxxtv.com just says to me dot. tv does not work....but i have a alternative

am just being honest dont slate me.
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XXX.TV, if I didn't have to pay the premium renewal fees.
that sums it up i think
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if push came to shove nether i would have gone for LLLL.com
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Why?

1. Because the BBC had this debate a long time ago - and take a look where BBC.tv takes you and where BBCTV.com takes you.

2. Because the place where .TV comes from may not actually exist as an entity within the next decade. (yet another ice shelf calamity is announced this morning and Tuvalu doesn't go above 15ft in elevation ANYWHERE within its territory)

3. Because how ever hard you try to push other extensions, the reality is that .com is king and will stay that way forever (too much money has already been invested).

4. Because, as internet TV takes hold, many of the individual companies involved (ie those putting up the $millions) in building a site and brand will market their niche channels as TV.com (take a look at things like Bob Geldof's KentTV.com as an example - $1.2 million spend). If it's good enough for Sir Bob its good enough for me. Kent.tv didn't even get a look in.

5. Because it is cheaper for the individual to get in the market.

6. Because in the last 12 months the number of fabulous TV.com's available has disappeared. Try doing geoTV.com's on anywhere above 200k inhabitants or finding wickedly interesting niche markets like BiofuelTV.com and see what I mean. (if you do find some and are still .tv minded - please let me know - I will buy them)
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7. Because whenever I mention that I am buying TV.com's, all the ones I'd lined up to purchase seem to disappear. The 'quiet purchase' alone makes me realise other people REALLY know which way the wind is blowing - and they will only tell you AFTER the barn door has closed.

8. Because it is impossible to purchase a good TV.com name for less than 20 times the price that it was registered - and thats from domainers who are only interested in a quick buy and sell. Those who genuinely want the names for their own purposes (like every magazine and publication on the planet) wouldn't sell you their name if you offered them your life savings.

9. Because, when really forced into making a decision between .tv and TV.com - corporate executives will ALWAYS do their research properly - and will err on the side of TV.com (yes I know there are exceptions).

10. Because TV.com says this is a TV channel (or more likely converged website/TV channel/magazine) while .tv simple says "i couldn't get the .com so I bought this instead"

11. Because I say so.

Having said all that, the TV.com phase will itself only last until the 'converged' TV channels they eventually represent are successful enough to warrant purchase of the genericname.com

And the moral of the list. If you've got a .tv make sure you also get the TV.com as well. If you've already got the TV.com then buy the .tv If you haven't got enough to buy both - forget .tv IF the average person on their computer still types in XXXTV.com when told the name is a XXX.TV - after all that publicity, what chance is there of them changing now.

SORRY to the .TV brigade (and I am among your number) but the sooner you examine the failings of spending money on .tv over TV.com, the sooner you will have a chance of making money in your chosen profession / hobby.

I know this is not what this audience want to hear, but Miller's Crossing asked a valid question and deserves an objective opinion - not our normal, subjective, slanted, self-serving views.
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I appreciate your input, even though some of your logic appears convoluted. The tv.com appears strong but certain names will demand the .tv only because of the convergence that you mention.

.com will be king of its species but the techno-evolution of the internet will branch off and the application of .tv will be a comfortable fit for a (worldwide) public that grew up with the term TV(50 years plus).

Radio was and is still a king in its own realm and much money was and is invested in it and evolved but television came along and branched out and is evolving with the internet as well. My point is that even with the same attributes the adage that "perception is reality" means people will more than likely identify .tv with visual(tv.com piggybacks this) and be more comfortable typing in a term that they understand to be visual.

I do not dispute the power of .com but I do see the advantages of .tv in visual stimuli and so do many others as the extension appears to gain popularity day by day, especially in European and Asia cirlcles.

Last, when and if Tuvalu sinks into the province of Atlantis, .tv will remain, of that it appears an easy decision.
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Why?

1. Because the BBC had this debate a long time ago - and take a look where BBC.tv takes you and where BBCTV.com takes you.


hmmm, yes a long time ago was just that, a long time ago look where emmys.com takes you.


2. Because the place where .TV comes from may not actually exist as an entity within the next decade. (yet another ice shelf calamity is announced this morning and Tuvalu doesn't go above 15ft in elevation ANYWHERE within its territory)

sink or swim, .tv will remain
3. Because how ever hard you try to push other extensions, the reality is that .com is king and will stay that way forever (too much money has already been invested).

no one here has ever disputed that

4. Because, as internet TV takes hold, many of the individual companies involved (ie those putting up the $millions) in building a site and brand will market their niche channels as TV.com (take a look at things like Bob Geldof's KentTV.com as an example - $1.2 million spend). If it's good enough for Sir Bob its good enough for me. Kent.tv didn't even get a look in.

if you spend some time in the threads here, you will see numerous companies utilizing .tv.if its good enough for mercedes benz, its good enough for me

5. Because it is cheaper for the individual to get in the market.

yeah, .com is cheaper- 9 bucks at godaddy- tv is 24 bucks at me.tv- most of us can deal with the few bucks difference many cctlds are higher than .com.


6. Because in the last 12 months the number of fabulous TV.com's available has disappeared. Try doing geoTV.com's on anywhere above 200k inhabitants or finding wickedly interesting niche markets like BiofuelTV.com and see what I mean. (if you do find some and are still .tv minded - please let me know - I will buy them)

so so true

7. Because whenever I mention that I am buying TV.com's, all the ones I'd lined up to purchase seem to disappear. The 'quiet purchase' alone makes me realise other people REALLY know which way the wind is blowing - and they will only tell you AFTER the barn door has closed.

i know how you feel- hard to grab them for sure

8. Because it is impossible to purchase a good TV.com name for less than 20 times the price that it was registered - and thats from domainers who are only interested in a quick buy and sell. Those who genuinely want the names for their own purposes (like every magazine and publication on the planet) wouldn't sell you their name if you offered them your life savings.

also true-

9. Because, when really forced into making a decision between .tv and TV.com - corporate executives will ALWAYS do their research properly - and will err on the side of TV.com (yes I know there are exceptions).

again, spend some time in this forum and read- lots of corporates are utlizing .tv- many of mtv's offspring sites are .tv. i am thrilled they did their homework one or two is an exception, many is the understanding tthey have other options.

10. Because TV.com says this is a TV channel (or more likely converged website/TV channel/magazine) while .tv simple says "i couldn't get the .com so I bought this instead"

hmmmm, dont agree- but your opinion is surely welcome :-)

11. Because I say so.

welcome to our sub-forum. next time bring cookies- and dont drink the punch. because I said so.


Having said all that, the TV.com phase will itself only last until the 'converged' TV channels they eventually represent are successful enough to warrant purchase of the genericname.com

And the moral of the list. If you've got a .tv make sure you also get the TV.com as well. If you've already got the TV.com then buy the .tv If you haven't got enough to buy both - forget .tv IF the average person on their computer still types in XXXTV.com when told the name is a XXX.TV - after all that publicity, what chance is there of them changing now.
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SORRY to the .TV brigade (and I am among your number) but the sooner you examine the failings of spending money on .tv over TV.com, the sooner you will have a chance of making money in your chosen profession / hobby.

I know this is not what this audience want to hear, but Miller's Crossing asked a valid question and deserves an objective opinion - not our normal, subjective, slanted, self-serving views.

no need to apologize- you have good points- but like others who come in here and dont read thru what the meat of the forum is, you would have seen many of your points discussed in great lengths.

what you are wrong in saying is:

but the sooner you examine the failings of spending money on .tv over TV.com.

.tv has not failed me. not in the slightest.

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Confusen...tv verses tv.com


I was listen to a AM late nitre talk show about ufo's and the paranormal last nite and there was a guy on there peddling his wares so ta speke and was pushing his website ufoTV.com and every time he mentioned it he made it clear to people not to confuse it with ufo.tv ..


" ummm.. ahhh.." "whats up with that and how will this boed for the future in regards to the confusment factor " ?
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You know, this argument will go on ad nauseum, and you will always have those who swear by .tv and others who stick with a 'proven' .com.

It reminds me of the argument back in the eighties about whether one liked MACs or IBM computers. Which is still going on, I suppose, twenty years later.

As for myself, I see .TV as an opportunity to approach affiliate marketing from a different angle, going out of my way to integrate video into my sites. The extension is a nuanced pointer to the surfer, they know intuitively there will be videos found at that site.

Some of my better domain sales have occurred with .TV domains over the last year as well.
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In the majority of occasions i would take .tv depeding on how high the renewal price was. The few times i think Tv.com works best if for keywords that instantly sound right as Tv Channels like 'Sportstv.com' 'P@rntv.com' 'Footballtv.com' 'musictv.com' though even on many of these the .tv and tv.com are very close in quality

I really dont like tv.com with keywords that have very little to do with tv & video even if they would be strong .com keywords, like 'Keyboardtv.com' or 'PestControltv.com' If they were ____.com then great but as soon as you make it ____tv.com then you begin to wonder "Why is that TV in there??"
With .tv's it is easier to brand/market so even keywords that dont suit video/Tv in general still work like Local's Pestcontrol.tv & even my Cranes.Tv (i hope) With a little video & some smart thinking then almost anything can work with keyword.tv but many keywordTV.com's just dont look right at all.

Jimbojimbo i liked your post even if i disagree with a lot of it, it felt like many of your points were a little outdated and you had not seen the great deal of new .tv sales, new .tv sites with many of the top companies using .tv's to work along side their .com's and not only cuase they coul not buy the .com (though many .tv's will be bought as the .com is out of reach)
You mentioned that you cant buy a Geotv.com anywhere these days, have you ever tried to buy a Geo .TV?? You cant get a decent Geo .tv for less than $xxxx anywhere with many having offers of mid $xx,xxx on them.
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Your point about "If you own .tv then buy tv.com" is a great point that everyone should listen to, any site you are going to spend time & money developing then you really should buy both the .tv & tv.com to cover all the angles (i missed a few of the tv.com's for Geo.tv's i own & i am very upset about that)

All of course, sorry for the spelling mistakes i am sure to of made.
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anyway- he is a good guy- he has a solid vision- same as what we see as to what is happening with tv and the web- but prefers tv.coms- has a bunch too!
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