Premiums released in 2nd Qtr.

johntv · 01-24-2007, 10:46 PM

Just like to share this information.

I had send an email to Enom inquiring about some premium names, their discounts and when they are going to be released.

I got this reply:

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John,

Apologies for the slow response. The domains aren’t currently for sale but you can submit a request to be considered for 2nd Qtr ’07. Go to www.enom.tv ‘Check a name’ to complete the forms.
------

It looks like the premiums are not released in the 1st Quarter, but the 2nd Qtr. and the word "considered" puzzles me a bit. Maybe they just like to keep the premiums or auction them off later in the future or "considered" as in they consider it for the 2nd Qtr. but it can also be the 3rd or 4th Qtr.?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/285793-premiums-released-in-2nd-qtr.html

It looks like they are not in a hurry to release any premium names.

equity78 · 01-24-2007, 10:48 PM

Good post John you are right weird to say consider for a premium

MillersCrossing · 01-24-2007, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by equity78

Good post John you are right weird to say consider for a premium

I have a very strong feeling that the real consideration is whether to scrap the premium business model completely and move it to an auction.....

Think about it....here is their lingo ..................."We have taken thousands of premium names off the market for a short time to ensure equal opportunity for everyone interested in registering this premium name."

How does taking the premiums off the market ensure equal oppurtunity????!!!!!!!When it comes back on the market - are they going to have the 20 people who filled out the application showing interest for STOCKS.TV phoned all at exactly the same time with twenty seperate phone lines and the first one to say yes gets it???!!

To me this bears all the hallmarks of a premium reg that either increases its price based upon volume of interest or, if the volume of interest is intense, the premium may be scrapped in favor of a one off auction.........

But filling out a form 'to ensure equal oppurtunity' is nothing short of a smokescreen!!!

***Domainate.com*** · 01-25-2007, 12:05 AM

I hope to god they are scrapping the Premium system. That's what's been holding .tv back over the last several years.

equity78 · 01-25-2007, 12:11 AM

They are not scrapping the premium system they are taking more time to analyze the traffic and pick the ones they want for their strategy. They have also been out making offers on .tv domains in the secondary market.

MillersCrossing · 01-25-2007, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

They are not scrapping the premium system they are taking more time to analyze the traffic and pick the ones they want for their strategy. They have also been out making offers on .tv domains in the secondary market.

Ok , lets put to one side the premiums that they analyse fits their own niche/needs - those will not be offered to the public...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

But the premiums that they decide can be sold off - how are they going to sell these when lets say 10 parties have filled out a form each and are awaiting a response back????

Las year it was simple - first come first served..but that is not the case now....all interested parties must submit a form...whom gets chosen and how???

nmr86 · 01-25-2007, 12:22 AM

I hope the will release them

*RPK* · 01-25-2007, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

They are not scrapping the premium system they are taking more time to analyze the traffic and pick the ones they want for their strategy. They have also been out making offers on .tv domains in the secondary market.

Equity, do you have any samples of this?

antonis12 · 01-25-2007, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by equity78

They have also been out making offers on .tv domains in the secondary market.

That is very interesting.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

So, potentially:

1. evaluate unregged for traffic + supplement with secondary market purchases for their own portfolio (both income generating and publicity generating for the extension)

2. have some type of process for premium names with expressed interest from multiple parties

3. adjust pricing for the remainder based on what they learned in #1 and release as premiums as before

At least that is what I would do if I were in their shoes.

atypical · 01-25-2007, 04:54 AM

Quote:

from Wikipedia: Domain name warehousing is the common practice of registrars obtaining control of domain names with the intent to hold or “warehouse” names for their use and/or profit...
The primary concern today when one speaks of Domain Warehousing is that a retail registrar, which has historically focused on serving its individual and small business registrants will make the domain name renewals process difficult, convoluted or price prohibitive in an effort to unseat exasperated registrants and usurp their registration rights for a profit greater than the potential renewal fee they could earn.

Like huge profits from your "Lazy-Man's Media Company?"

Quote:

Rosenblatt: "I thought, it can't be that easy," he recalls. "So I talked to some domainers, and they said, 'We own 300,000 domains, we make $20 million a year, we have just four employees and some servers in the Caymans.' I thought, 'If you can make that much doing nothing, what if we added some Web 2.0 sprinkle so that people would come back - user publishing tools, social networking? What if we built a platform where we could snap that into as many domains as we wanted?' That's when the lightning bolt hit me: You'd have a company that generates its own traffic, generates its own content, and monetizes itself. It would be the perfect lazy-man's media company!"

Carlson posted this in another thread:

Quote:

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793
Directly from the ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement ...
Quote:
3.7.9 Registrar shall abide by any ICANN adopted specifications or policies prohibiting or restricting warehousing of or speculation in domain names by registrars.

Also ...

Quote:
Topics for New and Revised Specifications and Policies:

4.2.5 prohibitions on warehousing of or speculation in domain names by registries or registrars

This addresses a "crossing of the line" that registries and registrars should not be engaging in. Extremely high quality names are being kept from the public as registrars build their own portfolios using their ICANN accreditation as a pass key through the back door.

In that same thread, ebooklover writes:

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Now, could you imagine if offline real estate operated like this. If only a few investors were able to buy homes and pick the ones they wanted to keep? It would never happen. Domains are online real estate yet this is allowed to happen. Sure, it may be "fixed" someday, but the fact that it is actually happenning at all is a shame and it needs to be put to an end very soon.

Am I missing something, or has Demand Media clearly stated their goals are all about them, and not at all about servicing domain name registrants? Perhaps we're misguided in expecting decent service. Should we be glad we got what we got, and happy to ride on whatever coattails they leave hanging?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

I suppose they have a legal right to do it, Rosenblatt's a lawyer after all, but I think registrars should be registrars. It has a certain fox guarding the henhouse picking all the delectable chickens for himself, while yelling, "Come and get your Chickens! but wait, not yet, not those chickens..." ick about it.

Will we ever get to the bottom of this? Will .TV finally realize its full potential as the most coveted domain space in the universe? Have I mixed enough metaphors? Tune in Next Quarter!

*RPK* · 01-25-2007, 05:25 AM

Right now I am thinking that I am so very happy that I got in when I did with my premiums, if I am ever able to reg more at a descent price I will feel lucky. I think that they will know what they have and will act accordingly for what is best for them as a company and not for us. JMO

TLDnetworks · 01-25-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by antonis12

That is very interesting.

So, potentially:

1. evaluate unregged for traffic + supplement with secondary market purchases for their own portfolio (both income generating and publicity generating for the extension)

2. have some type of process for premium names with expressed interest from multiple parties

3. adjust pricing for the remainder based on what they learned in #1 and release as premiums as before

At least that is what I would do if I were in their shoes.

BINGO! That has been my gut feeling from day one when they purchased Enom (for the drop service), and then solidified my feeling when the TV acquisition took place.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

However, I don't think it's all doom and gloom. Quite the opposite as they have the knowledge and resouces to make the namespace a desired and valuable commodity which in turn benefits all of us.

MillersCrossing · 01-25-2007, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by antonis12

That is very interesting.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

So, potentially:

1. evaluate unregged for traffic + supplement with secondary market purchases for their own portfolio (both income generating and publicity generating for the extension)

2. have some type of process for premium names with expressed interest from multiple parties

3. adjust pricing for the remainder based on what they learned in #1 and release as premiums as before

At least that is what I would do if I were in their shoes.

ANTONIS or anyone,

I am still waiting to see what type of way they will deal with your option 2 - obviously there is only one premium, who do they give it to if 25 people have filled out form wanting it....??????

Havng thought about it some more, y guess is they will AUCTION the PREMIUM name to the highest bidder...so if a ae that started out as a $500 premium would then go up incrementally by lets say $500, each time thinning the field of potential owners of the premium, until the premium goes high enough that there is only one taker for it.............otherwise - what the heck alternative is there?

antonis12 · 01-25-2007, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by westblock

BINGO! That has been my gut feeling from day one when they purchased Enom (for the drop service), and then solidified my feeling when the TV acquisition took place.

However, I don't think it's all doom and gloom. Quite the opposite as they have the knowledge and resouces to make the namespace a desired and valuable commodity which in turn benefits all of us.

for the people on this board who already bought nice names when they were available, i think this is basically a positive development.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

it is your reward for being brave and having foresight when everyone else was saying .tv is a stupid extension.

Originally Posted by MILLERSCROSSING

ANTONIS or anyone,

I am still waiting to see what type of way they will deal with your option 2 - obviously there is only one premium, who do they give it to if 25 people have filled out form wanting it....??????

Havng thought about it some more, y guess is they will AUCTION the PREMIUM name to the highest bidder...so if a ae that started out as a $500 premium would then go up incrementally by lets say $500, each time thinning the field of potential owners of the premium, until the premium goes high enough that there is only one taker for it.............otherwise - what the heck alternative is there?

that is what i would do...

domainacrobat · 01-25-2007, 12:55 PM

To me the premium thing is goign to be good for us! Maybe Im the only one, but once the premiums are available it will spur massive interest across the industry! All eyes will be on .Tv and when they release all this I will be sitting pretty with high overture and keyword .tvs that are highly relevant ready to make money! Just like .Mobi- everyone was gun ho when all the crazy pool auctions were happening! You know that one month DNjournal is going to be swamped woth .Tv registrations because they are soooo expensive! Muahahaha! I am betting alot of my money on this exact scenario! I have many great names that are prime and ready to benefit from the premium drop!

MillersCrossing · 01-25-2007, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by domainacrobat

To me the premium thing is goign to be good for us! Maybe Im the only one, but once the premiums are available it will spur massive interest across the industry! All eyes will be on .Tv and when they release all this I will be sitting pretty with high overture and keyword .tvs that are highly relevant ready to make money! Just like .Mobi- everyone was gun ho when all the crazy pool auctions were happening! You know that one month DNjournal is going to be swamped woth .Tv registrations because they are soooo expensive! Muahahaha! I am betting alot of my money on this exact scenario! I have many great names that are prime and ready to benefit from the premium drop!

Domain - what do you mean when you say "ready to benefit from the premium drop" - please dont take offence, but for the life of me cannot understand what u r talking about!!!

lambda · 01-25-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by MILLERSCROSSING

ANTONIS or anyone,

I am still waiting to see what type of way they will deal with your option 2 - obviously there is only one premium, who do they give it to if 25 people have filled out form wanting it....??????

Havng thought about it some more, y guess is they will AUCTION the PREMIUM name to the highest bidder...so if a ae that started out as a $500 premium would then go up incrementally by lets say $500, each time thinning the field of potential owners of the premium, until the premium goes high enough that there is only one taker for it.............otherwise - what the heck alternative is there?

James, please stop... You give them ideas and confidence...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793
You know they're monitoring this board about what is premium and what is not

MillersCrossing · 01-25-2007, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

James, please stop... You give them ideas and confidence...
You know they're monitoring this board about what is premium and what is not

My lips are forever sealed on this DC!!!!

antonis12 · 01-25-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

James, please stop... You give them ideas and confidence...
You know they're monitoring this board about what is premium and what is not

confidence can't be that high yet, since all the premiums they have right now were not registered at the 70% discount as recently as 2 months ago.

And since this board regged most of those, I can't imagine there is ALREADY a huge pool of new buyers that have suddenly appeared to pay 5x the prices from December.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

Even for demandmedia it will take time to build the extension up....
I believe they can do it, but they are not magicians that can change the whole market dynamics overnight.

Badger · 01-25-2007, 01:57 PM

So, hypothetically, if they auction the names and premium reg fee, will this mean current prem reg fee holders will get to pay regular reg fees from now on?/ On what about those that paid 10yrs up front, will they get a refund??

Sorry, ive been asleep for 2 months

MillersCrossing · 01-25-2007, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by antonis12

confidence can't be that high yet, since all the premiums they have right now were not registered at the 70% discount as recently as 2 months ago.

And since this board regged most of those, I can't imagine there is ALREADY a huge pool of new buyers that have suddenly appeared to pay 5x the prices from December.

Even for demandmedia it will take time to build the extension up....
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793
I believe they can do it, but they are not magicians that can change the whole market dynamics overnight.

Very strong points Antonis

lambda · 01-25-2007, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by antonis12

And since this board regged most of those, I can't imagine there is ALREADY a huge pool of new buyers that have suddenly appeared to pay 5x the prices from December.

IMO, for some names and in a near future, they could find buyers which would be ready to pay 2x - 3x (5x ?) the prices from December 2006 if the renewals fees were standard renewal fees (max. $50).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

@DemandMedia People...

Isn't it a nice idea?

domainacrobat · 01-25-2007, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by MILLERSCROSSING

Domain - what do you mean when you say "ready to benefit from the premium drop" - please dont take offence, but for the life of me cannot understand what u r talking about!!!

By "drop" I just mean the date premiums become available. When .Mobi and pool had their auctions, prices and speculative interest in these names peaked! Anyone who had a good name made a killing after the auctions. Overall, the people who really benefited from the auctions were people who reserved their $78 great names and resold at the peak of the hype for thousands. We are those people, but for .TV! Thats what I mean! By purchasing these names now, we are securing our "reserved names" so to speak! We will make a killing in resale because we will be ahead of the curve when the premiums spark massive interest in .Tv- We will benefit greatly when the premiums are let loose upon the world!

lambda · 01-25-2007, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by domainacrobat

By "drop" I just mean the date premiums become available. When .Mobi and pool had their auctions, prices and speculative interest in these names peaked! Anyone who had a good name made a killing after the auctions. Overall, the people who really benefited from the auctions were people who reserved their $78 great names and resold at the peak of the hype for thousands. We are those people, but for .TV! Thats what I mean! By purchasing these names now, we are securing our "reserved names" so to speak! We will make a killing in resale because we will be ahead of the curve when the premiums spark massive interest in .Tv- We will benefit greatly when the premiums are let loose upon the world!

Would you share your opinion with me?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793
Seriously... I agree with this point of view.

antonis12 · 01-25-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

IMO, for some names and in a near future, they could find buyers which would be ready to pay 2x - 3x (5x ?) the prices from December 2006 if the renewals fees were standard renewal fees (max. $50).

@DemandMedia People...

Isn't it a nice idea?

yes, but they would make less money that way.

If a name is regged in Dec for $250/year forever, the present value of that reg fee forever is about $1,500 to $2,000
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=285793

so to recover more than that from a regular fee auction, they have to get to 10x+ the December prices

01-24-2007, 10:46 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
johntv Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kenya Posts: 1,702	Premiums released in 2nd Qtr. Just like to share this information. I had send an email to Enom inquiring about some premium names, their discounts and when they are going to be released. I got this reply: ------ John, Apologies for the slow response. The domains aren’t currently for sale but you can submit a request to be considered for 2nd Qtr ’07. Go to www.enom.tv ‘Check a name’ to complete the forms. ------ It looks like the premiums are not released in the 1st Quarter, but the 2nd Qtr. and the word "considered" puzzles me a bit. Maybe they just like to keep the premiums or auction them off later in the future or "considered" as in they consider it for the 2nd Qtr. but it can also be the 3rd or 4th Qtr.? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/285793-premiums-released-in-2nd-qtr.html It looks like they are not in a hurry to release any premium names.

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RPK SportsFan.me Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Israel Posts: 3,597 Follow @sportsfanme	Right now I am thinking that I am so very happy that I got in when I did with my premiums, if I am ever able to reg more at a descent price I will feel lucky. I think that they will know what they have and will act accordingly for what is best for them as a company and not for us. JMO __________________ SportsFan.me - Finally a social sports website done right! For the Serious Sports Fan

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domainacrobat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 3,669	To me the premium thing is goign to be good for us! Maybe Im the only one, but once the premiums are available it will spur massive interest across the industry! All eyes will be on .Tv and when they release all this I will be sitting pretty with high overture and keyword .tvs that are highly relevant ready to make money! Just like .Mobi- everyone was gun ho when all the crazy pool auctions were happening! You know that one month DNjournal is going to be swamped woth .Tv registrations because they are soooo expensive! Muahahaha! I am betting alot of my money on this exact scenario! I have many great names that are prime and ready to benefit from the premium drop! __________________ Outlets.Tv Decorator.TV Lifeguard.Tv Lifeguards.Tv Cosmetologist.tv Paleontology.Tv Paddling.Tv Surfboard.TV Baseballs.Tv Basketballs.Tv FightChannel.Tv StockPhotography.Tv TwentyOne.Tv HairStylists.tv A Sea of .Tv

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