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05-11-2006, 02:35 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: fyfy.com
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    | Hey come on .tv big brothers ! I know that we have got months ago Elequa' s great participation in the discussions, recently we have got Brokerage.tv 's reaction, I would love -and I am sure I am not the only one here- reading from our big brothers having large .tv portfolios what they think of the current .tv market, where the extension is standing now, what are the perspectives, whether they still invest in .tv names, do they get offers, how they maintain their first class portfolio, whether they see today an increase in their ppc click, what they think about premium reg fees, whether they believe development of iptv technology for the .tv domains to gain in popularity and receive higher sums on aftermarket... so many questions... I guess their professional input and the sharing of their experience, their guidance would be very much enjoyed here. Maybe I am again a bit naive, business is business, everybody keeps his own business secrets, but every community needs its own models or kinda gurus to follow, learn and benefit from. I guess we are all sticked to past and recent .tv sales and stucked to what could happen next week, I know this is part of the game but at this stage and I am speaking for myself as newb, even if no one can predict the future I need today a bit of light, a direction, to better understand, plan, invest or ... (nooo !) give up. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/196367-hey-come-on-tv-big-brothers.html Hey big brothers come on and show us the way ! 
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05-12-2006, 11:58 AM
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| New Member  Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NJ
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| Well, we bought our first domain on the live domain AUCTION in 2000 when .TV was selling every domain for the "best" price they can get We knew that in 5 years we either will hit a jackpot or be very stupid The mistake was only NUMBER OF YEARS! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=196367 EVERY DAY we get tons of e-mails asking prices for many of .tv domains we have registered 6 years ago THE RIGHT PRICE IS STILL NOT THERE, BUT IT IS COMING!!!!!!!!!!!! Over the years we have sold several domains in low 5 figures range and just recently 1 domain for a high 5 figures.... The only advice we have for you guys is YOUR PARKING PAGES MUST look good! many many of our .TV domains are monetizing very well! see examples www.football.tv www.bride.tv www.chess.tv www.xxx.tv We also coming out shortly with a special domain spinner just for .TV domains see example for .com's here www.DomainTrafficBooster.com You are welcome to put any comments or ask any questions Igal DomainSpa.com |
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05-12-2006, 12:28 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005
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| Hello Domainspa. Thank you for your comments. Two follow-up questions. 1. Could you give us some sense of how well your high-monetizing .tv names are doing? You do not have to tell us specifics about specific names if you do not like, but could you share a range in terms of daily uniques/clicks/$ that your average high-end .tv names are doing? 2. Do you see the .tv names moving more to a .com-like parking model or moving to video development? What types of buyers are out in the market today? (holders of domain portfolios, media companies, corporations, etc) All thoughts are very welcome! Thanks! |
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05-12-2006, 01:06 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: fyfy.com
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| Thank you so much Igal for joining this .tv dedicated forum !!! We know you very well for reading so often your name in the Whois re. .com and .tv first class names. If I may ask you, what was your first .tv name ? Could you tell us about what made your attraction for .tv names in 2000 ? Your portfolio : what is your % balance .tv vs .com and other tlds ? You mention that you have sold several names over the last years, were they names related to the tv/entertaining industry ? Do you think it is worth investing in such related names than in other generic keywords just because of the .tv extension ? It seems that 'many' .tv sales are made through private transactions, therefore not reported/publicized, can you confirm it and maybe explain why such discretion ? I am sure that other .tv members have many questions for you, I give them the floor till my next bunch.
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05-12-2006, 04:32 PM
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| NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004
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    | Well Igal you certainly got a steal with KIDS.tv, and I think your pages at DOmainspa look great but when I tried domainspa there is so much traffic you don't pay for, I found DOMAINSPA too difficult to work with. For example I own 111.tv It gets 20 to 30 aday at Fabulous and I get clicks from .20 to $1.20 This is mostly Japanese traffic which I think you would not even pay. I love your pages look though. SIX.tv makes $5 aday But I don't think a super looking page would matter there it is just a number. I know you had the parking business from DOT TV for awhile now they switched to revenue direct(dotster) DID you see a high CTR when they were with you? |
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05-12-2006, 08:22 PM
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| Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2005
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| Hello Argos, Great post because you got a response from "MrsJello" who's reply I respect and agree with 100%. I remember posting on this forum not so long ago listing some of my dottv names and I also remember promising to write a rather long post explaining why I have invested in so many dottv domains and why I am 100% certain the dottv domain extension will eventually replace .com has the most valuable and sought after domain extension of all time, however, I have decided not to post my thoughts on this forum and will instead post on one of my own websites very soon to which I will invite you to review. All I can say at this point is you have made the right decision when you chose to invest in the dot tv domain extension. I am still purchasing as many viable dottv domains as I can get hold of with my lastest being "wakefield.tv" which I purchased last night. I would also like to mention I have received interest from on of the biggest players in the domain industry to purchase my entire portfolio which is in the hundreds and consists primarily of dot tv's but for obvious reasons I cannot give details but I will say that if I ever did sell my dottv domains I would NEVER make the sales public. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=196367 Regards, Ree |
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05-13-2006, 05:33 PM
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| New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NJ
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| Hello Guys! Its really great to see a group of .TV fans! Took a long time to get to this point... There were several topics brought up I will try to answer to the best I can 1. Could you give us some sense of how well your high-monetizing .tv names are doing? a. ANY financial related .TV domains do as well as .COM when it comes to CPM, but with less traffic b. many adult domains have TYPE-IN traffic (xxx.tv, adult.tv,erotica.tv etc) our average CPM here is $25.00 2. Do you see the .tv names moving more to a .com-like parking model or moving to video development? What types of buyers are out in the market today? (holders of domain portfolios, media companies, corporations, etc) a. Regardless of the fact that .TV is pushing multimedia applications, .TV domains ALREADY being used as .coms when people can't find a good one cheap examples: WE.tv, coolhunters.tv etc try entering - shop site:.tv - in google search box 3. If I may ask you, what was your first .tv name ? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=196367 .TV was conducting a live auction for ANY domain there were enough crazy people like us who were bidding for N.TV..... 4. Could you tell us about what made your attraction for .tv names in 2000 ? Now its really stupid, but .... DID NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT .COMS.... did not do a GOOD DEEP research once found that majority of single word .com's are gone and did not find a treasure of 2 words .com's.... It was a mistake that costed a LOT of money and it is NOT a home run yet after 6 years 5. Your portfolio : what is your % balance .tv vs .com and other tlds ? about 10% 6. You mention that you have sold several names over the last years, were they names related to the tv/entertaining industry ? Do you think it is worth investing in such related names than in other generic keywords just because of the .tv extension ? So far sales were related to Entertainment industry Investment in TV - Yes, but NOT at the premium renewal prices!!!!!!! ONLY in $50 domains - PLENTY AVAILABLE! 7. It seems that 'many' .tv sales are made through private transactions, therefore not reported/publicized, can you confirm it and maybe explain why such discretion ? Yes, majority of an early .TV buyers are very discreet people and do not have a need to publish their "moves" 8. DomainSpa parking User interface was changed to adapt to other parking services BUT!!! if we would pay double versus others, the user interface would not be a "problem"! There are several "challenges" that we have and this is why many prefer to use other parking services 1. We came to this industry NOT from a domain business and we have started with a ZERO traffic 2. Not a single 1st tier PPC vendor accepted us (including eSpotting in Europe) we had to start with a second tier vendors providing a low ppc and CPM even by giving the 100% of the ppc revenue, we would be at 50% payout in comparison to others We have succeeded to "cut the gap" using our technology and we were only 30% lower in payouts even though our PPC was 4 to 5 times lower!!!! CURRENT SITUATION -------------------- a. we do not have a GOOGLE feed that is DOMINATING PPC INTERNATIONALLY our ppc suppliers do NOT have advertisers in many countries where google does have! Parking service is like a Tax Collector - WE ONLY CAN PAY ON WHAT WE GET PAID! Many .TV domains receive INTERNATIONAL TRAFFIC from countries NOT covered by our providers! b. Because of our weak position in negotiating the initial contract, our discount from vendors is at least 20% less than many others c. we make up on much better CONVERSIONS, but not enough to compete on earnings only d. we do have customers who are with us for over 2 years because they MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE AND MAKE MUCH MORE ON DOMAIN SALES! our parking pages are the best and attract buyers!!! Its getting more and more costly to buy TRAFFIC DOMAINS, but NEW people are getting in to the domain field who are looking to buy generic domains GoDaddy goes public at $200M..... iREIT.com - buys domains Marchex - buys domains... YOU MUST BUY DOMAINS CHEAP and even if they do not make money to be able to SELL! Here some of the tools we use www.domainsearchbar.com www.iBoogie.com Hope this helps Igal ps1. see our PRE-BETA http://www.DomainTrafficBooster.com ps2. WHILE I was writing this - see below -----Original Message----- From: eNom Customer Service [mailto:info2@enom.com] Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:11 PM To: domainadmin@exoticdomains.net Subject: Order Confirmation (#168267348) Dear Domain Admin: Thank you for your recent order. Below you will find a summary of the products and services ordered for your account ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=196367 Type Qty ExtAmt Description / Status ================================================== ============================= Registration 1 $24.95 fashionweek.tv ($15.00 DSC) / Successful TOTAL BILLED: $24.95 USD to your reseller account -------------------------------------------------------- About Registration / Hosting Services -------------------------------------------------------- You have signed up for registration and/or hosting services. If you would like to configure any of the following: * DNS Servers * Domain Contact Information * Host Records * Mail Services * Parking Page Information Please do the following: * Go to http://www.enom.com * Login * Go to the domain name you would like to configure Thanks again for using eNom for your online services. If you have any questions regarding this order please visit our support center on our web site at http://www.enom.com/help/. Sincerely, eNom, Inc. |
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05-18-2006, 02:41 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: fyfy.com
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| Thanks Frank, I just wish to say that the great opportunity of having 'big brothers' part of this .TV forum is to exchange both sides and walk side by side to help pushing this unique extension forward. Enjoy the very kind participation of Igal and Ree, -I hope we will get soon other famous participants-, and interview them : do not miss this chance !
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05-22-2006, 05:44 AM
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05-22-2006, 01:14 PM
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 | First of all, thanks for sharing your information with us!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=196367
Personally I think it is much better to go for a few premium names instead of a lot of normal reg fee ones, also most nice one word .tv names are gone and there are still reasonable priced premium ones available (for example, I got series.tv and dogs.tv for 250/year each and me.tv, brazil/brasil.tv and fly.tv for 1,000 each, of course a lot of money, but IMO definitely worth it and not easy to replace with normal reg fee names). Your opinion on this is appreciated. What is your opinion on internet and tv becoming "one", do you think that will happen? Is it necessary that this happens for the .tv extension to become totally accepted? My last question, in your opinion where does .tv stand in 5 years from now? Second to .com? Or still behind .net, .org and .biz? Thanks, John. BTW Congrats with your purchase of kids.tv, think you have a great buy on that one. Do you have any plans with that one? | ||||||||
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did you know that many adult .tv domains get a REAL TYPE-IN traffic?
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05-22-2006, 08:55 PM
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| New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NJ
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| we bought .tv in 2000 it is 2006 and even though it is more popular, it is still not there! it will take another 3 to 5 years .com is NOT replaceable and ... who cares what is number 2! its the famous question: who was the 1st guy who stepped on the moon? who remebers the second? Buying a domain with a renewal of $1000 is a fixed amount of income to .... Verisign |
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05-22-2006, 09:01 PM
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| NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004
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| Igal I am lost are you saying premiums not worth regging? Will you be letting yours drop? I see some unregged LLL.tv parked with domain spa wow FUK.tv Looks like a real site nice job And . tv does not need to replace .com nor willit for it to be a great extension where the right investors will make good money Selling to the right end users. SO SO .tvs are not worth the money better to own two great .tv then 30 so so IMO
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05-22-2006, 10:00 PM
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| NamePros Regular  Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Albany-NY
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| This is confusing me now, you are trying to say premium reg.'s are not worth it. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=196367
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05-23-2006, 01:24 AM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=196367 On a side note, I (together with many others) were late in this market, if all premium .tv names were normal reg fee, they would all be gone, the pricing system of Verisign (how silly or not liked it can be), made it that those premium names would still be available, John. | ||||
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05-23-2006, 04:15 AM
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| NamePros Expert Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Smalltown USA
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| For, say, a $1,000 premium .tv, held for six years, you could, instead, purchase 6 $1,000 .coms. So, which has the better chance of giving you the best return for your money, one $1,000 .TV - that costs an additional $1,000 every year - or six $1,000 .coms that cost a total of, say, fifty bucks to renew.... I think there are a lot of opportunities to be had with the standard reg fee .tvs, but the structure set up by verisign sucks all the profit incentive out of registering premium .tv domains.
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05-23-2006, 02:35 PM
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| NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004
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| The type of name you will get for $1000 in .tv will be far superior to the $1000 .com you will buy in the aftermarket. IMO I mean SIX.tv makes $1000 a year in PPC I would not begetting a .com for the $500 it cost to reg six.tv I would not be getting it making $1000 a year for $5000
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05-23-2006, 06:04 PM
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| NamePros Expert Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Smalltown USA
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| Maybe, but I still say there is less risk involved, too: you have a diversified selection of domains, as compared to one domain that better darn well be a hit.
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05-23-2006, 06:46 PM
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| NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004
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| Well RW I knew before I regged SIX.tv it would get traffic had an ovt with ext of 200 and I like the non premiums if going to develop. But if somone regs 20 SO SO .tvs that they will do nothing with I think most likely that was $600 that went to waste because most likely they will not renew domains that made no $$$ and got no offers. Now if you develop then I think the non premium are excellent buys because you probably got Keyword Domains that you could not get com net org and you will be going in the right direction especially if it relates intuitively with TV |
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05-28-2006, 04:38 PM
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| New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NJ
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| coming back to the question of TV registrations - premium or not? WITHOUT LOOKING AT WHOIS DATA!!!!! are these premium or not? behaviour.tv bibliography.tv boytoy.tv bullfight.tv contraceptives.tv dongs.tv girlstoys.tv insects.tv nationaltheater.tv nationaltheatre.tv neurobiology.tv renato.tv rockingham.tv socialsciences.tv stuttering.tv toyland.tv toyworld.tv virtualhometours.tv windowstore.tv |
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05-28-2006, 04:52 PM
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| NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Albany-NY
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| IMHO they look premium and great, but for sure verisign wouldn't have put them in there premium category.
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05-28-2006, 05:02 PM
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Premium behaviour.tv bibliography.tv boytoy.tv bullfight.tv contraceptives.tv insects.tv nationaltheater.tv nationaltheatre.tv ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=196367 neurobiology.tv renato.tv socialsciences.tv stuttering.tv Others non-premium However, the above is based on my view of "verisign-logic" - I don't consider anywhere near as may to really be premium regs. | ||||
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