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Old 07-21-2008, 10:57 AM   · #1
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Expiring .TV Call Letter Domain Names Not So “Highly-Prized”

A lot of .TV news flying around.

07|21|2008 1:29 pm EDT

Expiring .TV Call Letter Domain Names Not So “Highly-Prized”
by Chad Kettner in Categories: Alternate Extensions

While Andy Purdy called the auctions of the 4-letter .tv domains that use the call letters of U.S. TV stations “highly-prized”, it seems that his speculation was a bit of hype.

On Friday of last week, Purdy posted a report on his website explaining that a Florida resident had let 285 4-letter .tv domain names expire - many of which represented successful broadcast stations across the United States - and the impending public auction between July 19-23 would be a great opportunity for anybody looking to grab these “highly-prized” TV domains.

Purdy, who served as the Acting Director of the National Cyber Security Division for Homeland Security for two years, believed that “releasing the domains to anonymous bidders around the world may have a serious impact on how American broadcasters maintain their online identity, particularly in light of the upcoming switch to digital broadcast.”

After one day of auctions, however, it seems not many domainers or broadcasters agreed on these being valuable domain names to acquire.

Saturday’s auction results have revealed the following closing prices:

KATC.TV Lafayette, LA ABC - $28
KATU.TV Portland, OR ABC - 23 Fisher Communications - $15
KATV.TV Little Rock, AR ABC - 57 Allbritton Communications Company - $72
KBSD.TV Dodge City, KS CBS - $10
KCAU.TV Sioux City, IA ABC - $10
KCEN.TV Waco, TX NBC - 95 Frank W. Mayborn - $20
KCIT.TV Amarillo, TX FOX - $10
KAAL.TV Austin/Rochester, MN ABC - $10
KAMC.TV Lubbock, TX ABC - $26
KAMR.TV Amarillo, TX NBC - $10
KARK.TV Little Rock, AR NBC - 57 Nexstar Broadcasting Group - $21

By scanning through the complete list of domain auctions, including Sunday and Mondays current results which continued at a similar rate, it’s evident that there was not as much interest as Purdy had anticipated.

The fact is that the .tv extension, although relevant to the industry, is still second choice for these broadcast stations and therefore limited in value.

Most broadcast stations have already developed .com websites to maintain their online identity and simply have no need for the less popular .tv domain name. And in this case, when there is only one possible end user that has already decided to go with a more common extension, the domain becomes virtually useless. The .tv extension also has lost popularity likely because of higher renewal costs and potential additional fees that the registry places on “premium” .tv domains.

However, if there is any value to be had, it is most likely in the 4-letter domains with acronyms that can be used for other applications - not just radio or TV stations. If any of these makes sense with the .tv TLD, then it has additional value because it has a larger pool of possible end users.

Another issue with buying domains at TDNAM is that Godaddy’s rules allow for an expired domain name to still be renewed by the former owner up to 7 days after the auction ends. The owner of these .tv domains could still renew these domain names even after the auction has ended. There is the potential for a domain investor or a TV station to purchase one of these domain names and have the name reclaimed by the former owner.

If you want to invest in this type of domain name, you can find more information at AndyPurdy.com or inquire in the comments section. Bidding for the domains is ongoing at Godaddy’s TDNAM.com site.

Source: http://www.domainnamenews.com/alter.../1750#more-1750

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Old 07-21-2008, 11:05 AM   · #2
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Did the media stations know about tdnam?
Domainers who bid on the names may not have known what they stand for.
Some bidders probably didn't want to risk TM.
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:54 AM   · #3
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Even a LLL.tv might be nice but LLLL.TV call letters are lousy IMO
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Originally Posted by mrdomainman
Did the media stations know about tdnam?
Domainers who bid on the names may not have known what they stand for.
Some bidders probably didn't want to risk TM.



Do they know about .tv is a better question
If they did and wanted the .tv (instead or in addition to the .com) they probably could easily have typed in the domain to see it was being auctioned. Godaddy puts a link on the domains they auction
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:47 PM   · #5
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Do they know about .tv is a better question
If they did and wanted the .tv (instead or in addition to the .com) they probably could easily have typed in the domain to see it was being auctioned. Godaddy puts a link on the domains they auction



Yes, but what are the chances of them typing it in during the auction period?
BTW, kdlo.tv & kdfx.tv (as examples) are on godaddy expired auction.
Where do you see the link to the auction or them saying that they're on godaddy tdnam auction?
I don't even know what they (LLLL.TV) stand for.
Why would any domainers bid on them?
Even in .com, if domainers didn't know what they stand for, they would just sell for the reseller market price of LLLL.com or will not sell for good price due to fear of TM issues.

More and more media companies are recognizing the value of .TV and adopting them. We'll have to see what happens a few years down the line.
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Originally Posted by mrdomainman
Yes, but what are the chances of them typing it in during the auction period?



If they want the domain, there's a pretty good chance they'll be tracking the whois, watching the page it redirects too etc. Even the most novice of person who wants a domain likely does this especially when they know the domain they want has expired.

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BTW, kdlo.tv & kdfx.tv (as examples) are on godaddy expired auction.
Where do you see the link to the auction or them saying that they're on godaddy tdnam auction?



interesting. they apparently have removed the links to the auctions. I wonder why


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I don't even know what they (LLLL.TV) stand for.
Why would any domainers bid on them?



Many domainers bid on anything that more than 1 person (and sometimes only 1 person) would have a desire to own if they think they can sell it for a profit. Econ 101 I suppose.

Originally Posted by mrdomainman
Even in .com, if domainers didn't know what they stand for, they would just sell for the reseller market price of LLLL.com or will not sell for good price due to fear of TM issues.



It's not hard to do the research on google and figure out "what they stand for" RE: market price. . . it always depends on the combo I suppose and demand. I havent done the research but Id guess that not all call letters are tms and not all call letters have won on UDRP cases.

Originally Posted by mrdomainman
More and more media companies are recognizing the value of .TV and adopting them. We'll have to see what happens a few years down the line.



I'll take your word for it. . . . most of the ones I researched from this article have the .com
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why would domainers have a want for those names? the guy bought up a very select niche market- its a crap shoot sometimes with that- whether it be .tv, .net or .com
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If they want the domain, there's a pretty good chance they'll be tracking the whois, watching the page it redirects too etc. Even the most novice of person who wants a domain likely does this especially when they know the domain they want has expired.



I'm uncertain of what big companies do. I'll take your word for it.

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interesting. they apparently have removed the links to the auctions. I wonder why



I haven't seen a link since last year... I could be wrong though. I'm not sure about why either...


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Many domainers bid on anything that more than 1 person (and sometimes only 1 person) would have a desire to own if they think they can sell it for a profit. Econ 101 I suppose.



not always
at least not in the case of LLLL.TV

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It's not hard to do the research on google and figure out "what they stand for" RE: market price. . . it always depends on the combo I suppose and demand. I havent done the research but Id guess that not all call letters are tms and not all call letters have won on UDRP cases.



I've bid on hundreds of LLLL.com domains.
I made bids depending on LLLL status (CVCV, VCVC, premium letters, repeating letters). I haven't really checked google to see if they stand for some company. I'm only speaking for myself here though.


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I'll take your word for it. . . . most of the ones I researched from this article have the .com



Yes, there are a lot of developed .com sites.
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