Do dot MOBI sites rank in search engines?

cslcpunk · 12-31-2010, 04:38 PM

I was trying to find dot MOBI sites that rank in search engines. Are dot MOBI for direct type-in traffic or a mobile device search only? I can't remember actually seeing one in a search. Not sure because it is lack of development or they just don't rank. From what I know the search engine will basically determine your location and not display the other ccIDN for your search, is this correct? If so does this apply to dot MOBI? I am actually looking at purchasing some that have xx,xxx google search stats with limited competition. However without knowing the above, I don't know if it is a good idea. Many questions, hope someone can help.

Thanks.

swp242 · 01-01-2011, 01:55 PM

Hello,
I am no 'expert'... not by a long shot, but this article sums up what I have always thought.

Excerpt from DotMobi: 'The Importance of SEO in Domaining'

“When focusing on SEO, the TLD of a domain is no longer important. Google will rank a .com, .info, .net, or .org exactly the same way – what they are looking for is relevant content on your site. This is why I’m not afraid of buying domains that aren’t the standard .com, .net, or .org- I am looking for strong keywords that will rank well with search engines.”

“To give an example of this think of the two keywords “buy” and “car”. Someone may own the domain buynewcars(dot)com, but with the domain buycar(dot)us you are providing an exact match for the search string “buy car” which gets far more searches than “buy new cars”. This domain would be considered more “relevant” even though it doesn’t end in a .com. Remember – ending in a .com doesn’t make a domain’s information more reliable – strong keywords and a content-driven website are the key to making a revenue-producing domain investment.”

donnied79 · 01-01-2011, 06:52 PM

My best website in terms of visits was a dot mobi with about 100K visitors/month and 90% was from search engine.
No problem in ranking it.

***ritedomains*** · 01-01-2011, 08:43 PM

I like to hear that ,I have reg'd a few more .mobi This week . I was starting to second guess everything to do with my cctld DNs.

cslcpunk · 01-01-2011, 10:58 PM

Quote:

My best website in terms of visits was a dot mobi with about 100K visitors/month and 90% was from search engine.
No problem in ranking it.

That is very good to know, someone that ranks with a dot mobi.

Thanks

carob · 01-01-2011, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by cslcpunk

Are dot MOBI for direct type-in traffic or a mobile device search only? I can't remember actually seeing one in a search. Not sure because it is lack of development or they just don't rank. From what I know the search engine will basically determine your location and not display the other ccIDN for your search, is this correct?

Basically the search should return relevant results, and usually it assumes that CC domains are mainly relevant to that country - so it is surprising a .us is given in that example, but the Dotmobi company are not famous for being accurate in what they say.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/694266-do-dot-mobi-sites-rank-search.html

.Mobi domains can be used for any content, so search engines do not assume that .mobi sites are mobile-friendly or mobile-only. They should rank as well in search as other domains and are not country-specific.

You can expect 0 typeins on mobi domains, judging by what people say about parking them.

Actually many believe, though it may be hard to prove, that .com is given greater authority by search engines, followed by net and org.

I have seen some mobi on the first page of google results, so not seeing many may be because as you say not many are developed, and possibly for whatever reason people are not linking to them.

cslcpunk · 01-02-2011, 01:51 AM

By type-in I was meaning that the person had to actually know your site existed rather than just typing it on a whim hoping to find something. In that case the dot COM is most likely. I like what I am hearing from you guys and thank you for the positive responses. I just wanted to find out if it was even possible to rank a dot mobi in a regular search. I found a couple generic, category killer names that were suprisingly available. Hopefully they aren't ruined or banned already. Just last week I bought one with an average 75K searches a month. GoDaddy wouldn't let me park until I got around to it cause it was previously marked as fraud/spam. Luckily I noticed that same day, so I was able to cancel and get my money back. On that note, is there anywhere to check a domain for that before purchasing? Anyway, I guess I will give these two a shot and see how it goes.
Thanks

PS If anyone wants to know the 75k search name PM me. It is still showing available. It might still work for development for search. Or someone with more experience.

bestdomainorg · 01-03-2011, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by cslcpunk

Are dot MOBI for direct type-in traffic or a mobile device search only?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266
First of all you should know and understand that mTLD .Mobi is a specific extension.

"the role of the .mobi domain as the only industry-backed, ICANN-approved designation for mobile Web content."

Please read FAQ of your Registrar for .Mobi registrants (or on mtld.mobi) before registering a .Mobi domain name for your standard needs!

"How does mTLD make .mobi standards and requirements available to registrants?

mTLD or Mobile Top Level Domain, Ltd. (dotMobi), publishes standards, requirements, and recommendations for .mobi websites in the dotMobi Mobile Web Developer's Guide. To access the guide, you must log in to your account on the dev.mobi website. Once logged in, you can access the guide from the Registered Users Download page.

mTLD may block your .mobi website if you do not comply with the mandatory requirements for website content on .mobi domain names. If this occurs, your .mobi domain name may be kept on hold, but not deleted, until the website is in compliance."

source: http://community.godaddy.com/help/article/1269

carob · 01-03-2011, 09:45 AM

HI that is an interesting blast from the past you have posted. The Dotmobi company abandoned these requirements, and they had never enforced them anyway. A mobi domain can be used for anything, or nothing.

In fact some domainers complained that the requirements stifled registrations and development, so it is surprising that you can still find these requirements listed anywhere. But the Dotmobi company are not an impressive bunch, they basically lost huge amounts of money and their backers, including Nokia, dumped them.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266

Just try googling Dotmobi Trustmark or Dotmobi Trustmark Abandonment.

Mobi domains are fine for search and development, but there is no sign of increasing levels of registration or use, let alone aftermarket sales.

Originally Posted by bestdomainorg

First of all you should know and understand that mTLD .Mobi is a specific extension.

"the role of the .mobi domain as the only industry-backed, ICANN-approved designation for mobile Web content."

Please read FAQ of your Registrar for .Mobi registrants (or on mtld.mobi) before registering a .Mobi domain name for your standard needs!

"How does mTLD make .mobi standards and requirements available to registrants?

mTLD or Mobile Top Level Domain, Ltd. (dotMobi), publishes standards, requirements, and recommendations for .mobi websites in the dotMobi Mobile Web Developer's Guide. To access the guide, you must log in to your account on the dev.mobi website. Once logged in, you can access the guide from the Registered Users Download page.

mTLD may block your .mobi website if you do not comply with the mandatory requirements for website content on .mobi domain names. If this occurs, your .mobi domain name may be kept on hold, but not deleted, until the website is in compliance."

source: http://community.godaddy.com/help/article/1269

bestdomainorg · 01-03-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by carob

The Dotmobi company abandoned these requirements,

Possibly they have abandoned these requirements,
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266
Give me a resource please where they write it!

Thanks!

carob · 01-03-2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by bestdomainorg

Possibly they have abandoned these requirements,
Give me a resource please where they write it!

Thanks!

Like I said, google Dotmobi Trustmark or Dotmobi Trustmark Abandonment or listen to the Dotmobi CEO say it himself in this mp3 http://www.domainerdeveloper.com/200...ence-call.html

bestdomainorg · 01-03-2011, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by carob

Like I said, google Dotmobi Trustmark or Dotmobi Trustmark Abandonment or listen to the Dotmobi CEO say it himself in this mp3 http://www.domainerdeveloper.com/200...ence-call.html

I wrote directly to mTLD.mobi

And here that to me have answered

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The .mobi domain was approved by ICANN specifically to ensure that consumers, when using the .mobi domain while on a mobile device, access content that works on mobile phones.

A site developer can certainly use a .mobi domain to build standard Web content; dotMobi does that with http://dotmobi.mobi. However, if a user accesses the site via a mobile device, a mobile-friendly version of that content should be served (which dotMobi does as well with http://dotMobi.mobi). This is why dotMobi has developed tools like DeviceAtlas (http://deviceatlas.com) and goMobi (http://goMobi.info).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266

Our developers forum at http://mobiForge.com explains these ideas in depth. Also, you may want to review our free “dotMobi Mobile Web Developers Guide” at http://mobiforge.com/starting/story/...velopers-guide for more information.

Thank you for your interest in dotMobi and the .mobi domain.

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Keith · 01-03-2011, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by bestdomainorg

However, if a user accesses the site via a mobile device, a mobile-friendly version of that content should be served (which dotMobi does as well with http://dotMobi.mobi). This is why dotMobi has developed tools like DeviceAtlas (http://deviceatlas.com) and goMobi (http://goMobi.info).

The word "should" is important because it leaves the door open for developers to serve non-mobile compliant sites. It would be a different story if they chose "must"...

carob · 01-03-2011, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by bestdomainorg

I wrote directly to mTLD.mobi

And here that to me have answered

--------------------------------------

The .mobi domain was approved by ICANN specifically to ensure that consumers, when using the .mobi domain while on a mobile device, access content that works on mobile phones.

A site developer can certainly use a .mobi domain to build standard Web content; dotMobi does that with http://dotmobi.mobi. However, if a user accesses the site via a mobile device, a mobile-friendly version of that content should be served (which dotMobi does as well with http://dotMobi.mobi). This is why dotMobi has developed tools like DeviceAtlas (http://deviceatlas.com) and goMobi (http://goMobi.info).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266

Our developers forum at http://mobiForge.com explains these ideas in depth. Also, you may want to review our free “dotMobi Mobile Web Developers Guide” at http://mobiforge.com/starting/story/...velopers-guide for more information.

Thank you for your interest in dotMobi and the .mobi domain.

--------------------------------------

Very quick.

The key word there is should - that does not mean must, so they have confirmed for you that do not have to provide any mobile content on a mobi domain - there is no requirement for that.

You can use a mobi domain any way you like.

bestdomainorg · 01-03-2011, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by carob

You can use a mobi domain any way you like.

Hey, I do not try to argue, I try to understand this question! It also for me is important! Then it is good for .Mobi
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266

My English is not so good, as my translator translates to me "should" as "должно"

Good Luck!

cslcpunk · 01-03-2011, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by bestdomainorg

I wrote directly to mTLD.mobi

And here that to me have answered

--------------------------------------

The .mobi domain was approved by ICANN specifically to ensure that consumers, when using the .mobi domain while on a mobile device, access content that works on mobile phones.

A site developer can certainly use a .mobi domain to build standard Web content; dotMobi does that with http://dotmobi.mobi. However, if a user accesses the site via a mobile device, a mobile-friendly version of that content should be served (which dotMobi does as well with http://dotMobi.mobi). This is why dotMobi has developed tools like DeviceAtlas (http://deviceatlas.com) and goMobi (http://goMobi.info).

Our developers forum at http://mobiForge.com explains these ideas in depth. Also, you may want to review our free “dotMobi Mobile Web Developers Guide” at http://mobiforge.com/starting/story/...velopers-guide for more information.

Thank you for your interest in dotMobi and the .mobi domain.

--------------------------------------

Thanks for that info. The dot mobi sites I have developed have an auto switcher that detects the browser connection and displays accordingly. When viewed from a PC it looks like any other website. When viewed from a mobile device it switches to that version. On another note, A couple of the plugins I have found have an image tool that supposedly the user can take a picture of it and it recognizes it as that website. Has this caught on yet? My site has it but I have yet to find out if it works, and I have yet seen another website with it. Just wondering.

sanfran · 01-03-2011, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by donnied79

My best website in terms of visits was a dot mobi with about 100K visitors/month and 90% was from search engine.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266
No problem in ranking it.

What website would that be?

scandiman · 01-03-2011, 01:26 PM

Sad but true, there is no enforcement of the requirements that has been reported. And someone could build a cool iphone site and technically violate the requirements so it can be somewhat confusing for a novice coder.

cslcpunk · 01-03-2011, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Sad but true, there is no enforcement of the requirements that has been reported. And someone could build a cool iphone site and technically violate the requirements so it can be somewhat confusing for a novice coder.

I couldn't help but to check out your dot mobi in your signature. What program/theme do you use? Mine just display in the plain text format.

carob · 01-03-2011, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by bestdomainorg

my translator translates to me "should" as "должно"

Yes I can see it translates should and must as должен but the difference in English is really important. Should is very weak - it is a suggestion, but must is a requirement.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266

Are there many mobi domains developed in Russian?
There aren't IDN Russian mobis yet.

scandiman · 01-03-2011, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by cslcpunk

I couldn't help but to check out your dot mobi in your signature. What program/theme do you use? Mine just display in the plain text format.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266
All manually coded. Not using a specific program or theme. There's a lot of info out there to help you along if you are so inclined.

bestdomainorg · 01-03-2011, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by donnied79

My best website in terms of visits was a dot mobi with about 100K visitors/month and 90% was from search engine.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266
No problem in ranking it.

You could show a screenshot with statistics of your site, you can hide the domain if you wish.

Really interesting! Thanks.

bestdomainorg · 01-04-2011, 04:19 AM

Personally I try to understand SEO for .Mobi

Me interest 2 points: it is a WebSite or a MobileSite or W+M?
And more traffic from mobile devices or a web?
And niche of site?

I registered recently some good .Mobi domains for sale.
I think to develop them or to sell?!

Thanks!

**El Bandolero** · 01-04-2011, 12:04 PM

Please keep the thread on topic guys and let's not insult other members.

sanfran · 01-04-2011, 02:11 PM

You're not going to find one. Period.
They don't exist.

Originally Posted by cslcpunk

I was trying to find dot MOBI sites that rank in search engines. Are dot MOBI for direct type-in traffic or a mobile device search only? I can't remember actually seeing one in a search. Not sure because it is lack of development or they just don't rank. From what I know the search engine will basically determine your location and not display the other ccIDN for your search, is this correct? If so does this apply to dot MOBI? I am actually looking at purchasing some that have xx,xxx google search stats with limited competition. However without knowing the above, I don't know if it is a good idea. Many questions, hope someone can help.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=694266

Thanks.

12-31-2010, 04:38 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
cslcpunk NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: UT Posts: 381 Follow @NamesHQ	Do dot MOBI sites rank in search engines? I was trying to find dot MOBI sites that rank in search engines. Are dot MOBI for direct type-in traffic or a mobile device search only? I can't remember actually seeing one in a search. Not sure because it is lack of development or they just don't rank. From what I know the search engine will basically determine your location and not display the other ccIDN for your search, is this correct? If so does this apply to dot MOBI? I am actually looking at purchasing some that have xx,xxx google search stats with limited competition. However without knowing the above, I don't know if it is a good idea. Many questions, hope someone can help. Thanks.

01-01-2011, 06:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
donnied79 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Milano Posts: 1,089	My best website in terms of visits was a dot mobi with about 100K visitors/month and 90% was from search engine. No problem in ranking it. __________________ Sunglasses.tv

01-01-2011, 08:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
*ritedomains* Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Cape Breton Posts: 1,161 Follow @ritedomains	I like to hear that ,I have reg'd a few more .mobi This week . I was starting to second guess everything to do with my cctld DNs. __________________ VIDEOAPPS.BIZ @ Bido MUSICAPPS.BIZ @ Bido LOVEABLE.INFO @ BIDO

01-03-2011, 01:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
scandiman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: living in exile Posts: 3,859	Sad but true, there is no enforcement of the requirements that has been reported. And someone could build a cool iphone site and technically violate the requirements so it can be somewhat confusing for a novice coder. __________________ Alcatraz.mobi - Debt.mobi - Lodging.mobi

01-04-2011, 04:19 AM	#23 (permalink)
bestdomainorg NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SearchZ.Net Posts: 216	SEO for .Mobi Personally I try to understand SEO for .Mobi Me interest 2 points: it is a WebSite or a MobileSite or W+M? And more traffic from mobile devices or a web? And niche of site? I registered recently some good .Mobi domains for sale. I think to develop them or to sell?! Thanks! __________________ Digital Hosting - Search Group - NewDotCom.com is for sale

Do dot MOBI sites rank in search engines?

Understanding .Mobi Domain Names

100K visitors/month on dot Mobi domain name

SEO for .Mobi

01-01-2011, 01:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
swp242 New Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nassau, Bahamas. Posts: 7	Hello, I am no 'expert'... not by a long shot, but this article sums up what I have always thought. Excerpt from DotMobi: 'The Importance of SEO in Domaining' “When focusing on SEO, the TLD of a domain is no longer important. Google will rank a .com, .info, .net, or .org exactly the same way – what they are looking for is relevant content on your site. This is why I’m not afraid of buying domains that aren’t the standard .com, .net, or .org- I am looking for strong keywords that will rank well with search engines.” “To give an example of this think of the two keywords “buy” and “car”. Someone may own the domain buynewcars(dot)com, but with the domain buycar(dot)us you are providing an exact match for the search string “buy car” which gets far more searches than “buy new cars”. This domain would be considered more “relevant” even though it doesn’t end in a .com. Remember – ending in a .com doesn’t make a domain’s information more reliable – strong keywords and a content-driven website are the key to making a revenue-producing domain investment.”

01-02-2011, 01:51 AM	THREAD STARTER #7 (permalink)
cslcpunk NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: UT Posts: 381 Follow @NamesHQ	By type-in I was meaning that the person had to actually know your site existed rather than just typing it on a whim hoping to find something. In that case the dot COM is most likely. I like what I am hearing from you guys and thank you for the positive responses. I just wanted to find out if it was even possible to rank a dot mobi in a regular search. I found a couple generic, category killer names that were suprisingly available. Hopefully they aren't ruined or banned already. Just last week I bought one with an average 75K searches a month. GoDaddy wouldn't let me park until I got around to it cause it was previously marked as fraud/spam. Luckily I noticed that same day, so I was able to cancel and get my money back. On that note, is there anywhere to check a domain for that before purchasing? Anyway, I guess I will give these two a shot and see how it goes. Thanks PS If anyone wants to know the 75k search name PM me. It is still showing available. It might still work for development for search. Or someone with more experience.

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El Bandolero Forum Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 766	Please keep the thread on topic guys and let's not insult other members.

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