DEBATE: "PURE PLAY" .MOBI DOMAINING.... IS IT POSSIBLE?

mjnels · 07-14-2008, 02:21 PM

hi.

now, im not talking about developing... im talking about buying and selling ONLY .mobi domains specifically for purpose of resale or "flipping" them.

is pure play .mobi domaining possible?

discuss.

scandiman · 07-14-2008, 03:08 PM

Sure it's possible, why not?

-REECE- · 07-14-2008, 07:30 PM

Buy Low, Sell High

It's probably even easier today if someone is experienced in this market (like you Matt) because so many people are panicking and selling for potentially less than they might otherwise have gotten.

snoop · 07-14-2008, 07:33 PM

I think any type of flipping is extremely difficult in the current market, much easier when prices are rising rather than falling.

Steven · 07-14-2008, 07:56 PM

Like real estate, I think it's hard to flip in a down market...
It's still possible, but it may not be as easy as before.

scandiman · 07-14-2008, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Reece

Buy Low, Sell High

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It's probably even easier today if someone is experienced in this market (like you Matt) because so many people are panicking and selling for potentially less than they might otherwise have gotten.

I know someone who has flipped .mobi's to the tune of a nice $x,xxx profit in less than 30 days in the current market. So yes, it can be done if you buy smart.

Compassion · 07-14-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

I know someone who has flipped .mobi's to the tune of a nice $x,xxx profit in less than 30 days in the current market. So yes, it can be done if you buy smart.

What kind of .mobis?

Maybe mobi isn't dead.

scandiman · 07-14-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by tight-aggressive

What kind of .mobis?

I'm not at liberty to list them.

Originally Posted by tight-aggressive

Maybe mobi isn't dead.

I'm still not sure why some people keep saying that.

-REECE- · 07-14-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

I'm still not sure why some people keep saying that.

They're just bitter they missed out and want to pick up some Landrush drops

PolarBear · 07-15-2008, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Reece

They're just bitter they missed out and want to pick up some Landrush drops

Exactly! And that's why they bad-mouth .mobi all they can in the forums.

"Dot mobey is dead"
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=492710
Well, I don't care, all of my .mobis are already renewed. I think that we will see a big .mobi resurrection after september 26 + 30 days or so

mjnels · 07-15-2008, 07:42 AM

i dont think the majority of people who say ".mobi is dead" or similar comments are doing it to talk down prices or pick up drops, etc. this is probably a very small percentage overall.. i think the majority really and truly believe this for whatever reasons.

however, it is "sexy" to give extreme opinions and "end all" statements like "an entire TLD is dead." i think this plays a large role too.. but for the most part i think people really believe what they write on the forums.

scandiman · 07-15-2008, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by mjnels

i dont think the majority of people who say ".mobi is dead" or similar comments are doing it to talk down prices or pick up drops, etc. this is probably a very small percentage overall.. i think the majority really and truly believe this for whatever reasons.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=492710

however, it is "sexy" to give extreme opinions and "end all" statements like "an entire TLD is dead." i think this plays a large role too.. but for the most part i think people really believe what they write on the forums.

MJ, in keeping with your original topic, to what extent do you think such extremism has effected pricing?

mjnels · 07-15-2008, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by scandiman

MJ, in keeping with your original topic, to what extent do you think such extremism has effected pricing?

im not really sure... probably at least a little bit. maybe not as much as most people assume though. i think more of it is simply being the year of renewals.. the intense domain speculation period for this TLD has subsided, as it should.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=492710

lots of factors come into play when a person decides to renew a domain though.. almost too many to name. it gets more complicated if the person has lists of several hundred or several thousand..

snoop · 07-15-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

MJ, in keeping with your original topic, to what extent do you think such extremism has effected pricing?

The extremism runs both ways in my view.
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Generally though I the fundmentals of .mobi has changed, it has gone from an extension that looked like it would be used by large Internet co's (Google, Microsoft etc), to more of an alt extension for the mobile market. In my view that is the key reason for the prices falls, with the recession another quite major factor.

PVFARKAS · 07-15-2008, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

The extremism runs both ways in my view.

true..

mjnels · 07-15-2008, 05:50 PM

indeed, the extreme stuff runs both ways. i think both sides misinterpret things pretty easily.. happens often from what ive observed during the last couple years.

common domainer opinion does have an effect on pricing... but i pretty much always saw .mobi (at very least) as an alternate extension for the mobile market. when speculating, its a good idea to look at things in their lowest form. buying into the hype will get you in trouble. domainers talked and bought themselves into the funniest things at first... the .mobi button thing was the most hilarious i think. that is one thing domainers just completely made up out of nowhere... it wasnt until a few months after landrush in a chat session that Pinky Brand said they also would like to see this happen after being asked if this was a possibility.

whitebark · 07-15-2008, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by mjnels

i dont think the majority of people who say ".mobi is dead" or similar comments are doing it to talk down prices or pick up drops, etc. this is probably a very small percentage overall.. i think the majority really and truly believe this for whatever reasons.

however, it is "sexy" to give extreme opinions and "end all" statements like "an entire TLD is dead." i think this plays a large role too.. but for the most part i think people really believe what they write on the forums.

Once again you are probably one of only two or three mobi domainers that tells the truth and is honest about everything .mobi. I may not agree with you - but at least some air of truth comes with your posts.
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That sad canard that you were replying to is worse than sad it's plain juvenile. And you are right - there are many reasons why some of us believe mobi is on the way out and it has NOTHING to do with "missing out". We missed out by choice. I could have outspent many of the mobi domainers on this forum for those domains but chose to put my money elsewhere.

As for the thread - there will be a limited opportunity for some smart domainers to pick up mobi drops in the months ahead and flip again for a profit - though imo that profit will be nothing near what it was last year, and many trying this will be left holding domains they can't sell.

scandiman · 07-15-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by whitebark

Once again you are probably one of only two or three mobi domainers that tells the truth and is honest about everything .mobi. I may not agree with you - but at least some air of truth comes with your posts.

And to think he got banned a while back for saying it

DomainTalker · 07-15-2008, 09:08 PM

I think its clearly true that .mobi, as an investment, does have its stresses, and uncertainties, at the moment - over and above the economic dramas that are affecting most asset-classes, at present.

Its a battle about market perception - and the extent to which .mobi will have a place in the emerging use of the mobile internet.....This isn't unusual in new markets - There's always a sorting out process about how things will work, what mechanisms will suit best, and what ultimately prevails.

All up, my view is that .mobi will ultimately be important - because code-compliant .mobi sites work conveniently , in practice, on mobile phones - tho, it won't be the only, or default mechanism.

So, to answer MJ's question: Yes, I think - over time - .mobi is a valid pure play.

It'll be a big pure play, if the way .mobi is marketed & explained to both the corporates and the consumer users out there is ever vastly improved.
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whitebark · 07-16-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

And to think he got banned a while back for saying it

Well if anyone had asked me (which of course they never do

) I would have supported him.

mjnels · 08-11-2008, 03:20 PM

my argument thread was an epic failure.

mediaadvantages · 08-11-2008, 04:14 PM

From a flipping standpoint I believe it's easier at the moment. If a company has an interest in a domain and sees a potential way of making money with it, the economy will not effect the decision that much. Where the economy comes into play is in the domainer to domainer aftermarket. Your average Joe may not be having that great of year with his blue collar job and large corporations who are expected to have double digit percentage increases every year are struggling. The people that aren't struggling are your locally owned businesses. The majority of my clients are having a record year. During a down economy consumers change their habits and this has benefited small companies. Consumers spend more time making decisions on what they are going to buy and who they are going to buy from. National advertising is seeing it's smallest increase ever while local advertising is in high demand. I have seen this personally and could tell lots of stories relating to this.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=492710

Point being....Flipping for a nice profit is easier right now than many might think, if you are not trying to sell to the Fortune 500 type companies.

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mjnels Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 2,181	i dont think the majority of people who say ".mobi is dead" or similar comments are doing it to talk down prices or pick up drops, etc. this is probably a very small percentage overall.. i think the majority really and truly believe this for whatever reasons. however, it is "sexy" to give extreme opinions and "end all" statements like "an entire TLD is dead." i think this plays a large role too.. but for the most part i think people really believe what they write on the forums. __________________ :\|

07-15-2008, 05:50 PM	THREAD STARTER #16 (permalink)
mjnels Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 2,181	indeed, the extreme stuff runs both ways. i think both sides misinterpret things pretty easily.. happens often from what ive observed during the last couple years. common domainer opinion does have an effect on pricing... but i pretty much always saw .mobi (at very least) as an alternate extension for the mobile market. when speculating, its a good idea to look at things in their lowest form. buying into the hype will get you in trouble. domainers talked and bought themselves into the funniest things at first... the .mobi button thing was the most hilarious i think. that is one thing domainers just completely made up out of nowhere... it wasnt until a few months after landrush in a chat session that Pinky Brand said they also would like to see this happen after being asked if this was a possibility. __________________ :\|

07-14-2008, 07:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,996	Buy Low, Sell High It's probably even easier today if someone is experienced in this market (like you Matt) because so many people are panicking and selling for potentially less than they might otherwise have gotten.

07-14-2008, 07:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
snoop New User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,072	I think any type of flipping is extremely difficult in the current market, much easier when prices are rising rather than falling.

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DomainTalker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: http://ISSUES.COM Posts: 1,126	I think its clearly true that .mobi, as an investment, does have its stresses, and uncertainties, at the moment - over and above the economic dramas that are affecting most asset-classes, at present. Its a battle about market perception - and the extent to which .mobi will have a place in the emerging use of the mobile internet.....This isn't unusual in new markets - There's always a sorting out process about how things will work, what mechanisms will suit best, and what ultimately prevails. All up, my view is that .mobi will ultimately be important - because code-compliant .mobi sites work conveniently , in practice, on mobile phones - tho, it won't be the only, or default mechanism. So, to answer MJ's question: Yes, I think - over time - .mobi is a valid pure play. It'll be a big pure play, if the way .mobi is marketed & explained to both the corporates and the consumer users out there is ever vastly improved. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=492710 . __________________ NewMediaFrontiers.com® - ChatBox.com - Movie.info - Phone.me M.biz - Hypnotherapist.com - AJ.net - YT.net - iFlyDrive.com - iSofa.com

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08-11-2008, 04:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
mediaadvantages NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 194	From a flipping standpoint I believe it's easier at the moment. If a company has an interest in a domain and sees a potential way of making money with it, the economy will not effect the decision that much. Where the economy comes into play is in the domainer to domainer aftermarket. Your average Joe may not be having that great of year with his blue collar job and large corporations who are expected to have double digit percentage increases every year are struggling. The people that aren't struggling are your locally owned businesses. The majority of my clients are having a record year. During a down economy consumers change their habits and this has benefited small companies. Consumers spend more time making decisions on what they are going to buy and who they are going to buy from. National advertising is seeing it's smallest increase ever while local advertising is in high demand. I have seen this personally and could tell lots of stories relating to this. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=492710 Point being....Flipping for a nice profit is easier right now than many might think, if you are not trying to sell to the Fortune 500 type companies.

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