Did Jobs just bury Dot Mobi?

Rubber Duck · 06-09-2008, 02:12 PM

One of the biggest arguments for the sustainability of this lame extension has been the cost of Smart phones and hence their lack of penetration. With a $199 price tag for iPhone 2.0, I think that argument just died.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7443543.stm

bondjpf · 06-09-2008, 02:21 PM

Why .mobi is buried ?
All that matters is content, being mobi , info, ws, whatever...

Rubber Duck · 06-09-2008, 02:27 PM

Mobi's content was suppose to come from dot Com sites that needed to reconfigure to work in a mobile environment. The argument was that people would still be using dumb phones for years to come. It is clear from the new price ticket that that is not going to be the case. It shows that the competition to grab market share with Smart Phones is going to be very intense indeed. Basically everyone that can afford mobile bandwidth is going to be able to afford a decent mobile browsing device.

zerolu · 06-09-2008, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Mobi's content was suppose to come from dot Com sites that needed to reconfigure to work in a mobile environment. The argument was that people would still be using dumb phones for years to come. It is clear from the new price ticket that that is not going to be the case. It shows that the competition to grab market share with Smart Phones is going to be very intense indeed. Basically everyone that can afford mobile bandwidth is going to be able to afford a decent mobile browsing device.

dont think that iphone will achieve that though since blackberries are still dominating the market maybe other devices will

michaeldotcom · 06-09-2008, 02:34 PM

What does this thread have to do with the general discussion ?

There's a .mobi section in NP. It would be nice if all the threads about .mobi could be moved to that section.

nrmillions · 06-09-2008, 02:35 PM

when i invested in .mobi i assumed in the future every phone on earth would be 100x better than the 3g iphone and free so everyone could have one. In Japan mobile phones have already been more advanced than the 3G iphone for a couple years now. This still doesnt change anything and i am happy with my investment. obviously phones will keep getting more advanced. i dont think people bought .mobi thinking that technology would never get better. i have the first iPhone and and will get the 3G one next month and still see huge benefits and differences between using a .com or a .mobi site. You will always have to zoom and scroll on an iphone too. its all about branding, it has nothing to do with technology.

**Galel** · 06-09-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by michaeldotcom

What does this thread have to do with the general discussion ?

There's a .mobi section in NP. It would be nice if all the threads about .mobi could be moved to that section.

These discussions about .mobi cause a big stir in the General Discussion area. I agree with Michaeldotcom - although Rubber Duck this is a fantastic question & debate to bring up!

GF

accentnepal · 06-09-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Mobi's content was suppose to come from dot Com sites that needed to reconfigure to work in a mobile environment. The argument was that people would still be using dumb phones for years to come. .....

Duckie, ya should read up in the mobi section before saying such things.

Everyone I have seen in Mobi-land is hoping for cheap phones with great resolution to come as quickly as possible --- the reason is that the better the phones, the sooner everyone will be using them, and the more frequent that use. Then Mobi will have it's chance.

Mobi is a brand - it means that the website is intended for mobile use. If you are on the street corner you want to call a taxi. You are not interested in the history of taxis in Romania.

Like mini mart groceries and large grocery stores there are different clienteles for the mobile internet and the PC internet. That is where mobi fits in - it is not at all about mobi versions of existing websites - much more about NEW websites directed at mobile users.

RJ · 06-09-2008, 04:46 PM

iPhone v. MOBI re-hash? Ugh...

iPhone doesn't hurt or help dotMOBI. All it does is create more active mobile users.

hedgefund · 06-09-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by -RJ-

iPhone v. MOBI re-hash? Ugh...

iPhone doesn't hurt or help dotMOBI. All it does is create more active mobile users.

Actually iPhone will help .mobi, imho. See example:

http://www.apple.com/webapps/travel/...avelguide.html

coast · 06-09-2008, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -RJ-

iPhone v. MOBI re-hash? Ugh...

iPhone doesn't hurt or help dotMOBI. All it does is create more active mobile users.

You would be in a position to know this, having stated that you have both an iPhone and a .mobi site.

I'll be looking into purchasing an iPhone, and I'm looking forward to seeing .mobi's on it, as well as .com's.

Krossat · 06-09-2008, 05:13 PM

mobi it will benefit the extension, mobi it wont :\ *sigh*

PVFARKAS · 06-09-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Krossat

mobi it will benefit the extension, mobi it wont :\ *sigh*

scandiman · 06-09-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Mobi's content was suppose to come from dot Com sites that needed to reconfigure to work in a mobile environment.

Or the content comes from new players focused on the mobile web space.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

The argument was that people would still be using dumb phones for years to come.

Dumb phones? More like web enabled small screened devices, as in the iPhone.

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Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Basically everyone that can afford mobile bandwidth is going to be able to afford a decent mobile browsing device.

Fantastic! And my mobile sized .mobi web pages will be there to greet them. How is more customers a bad thing?

NewWorldArk · 06-09-2008, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

One of the biggest arguments for the sustainability of this lame extension has been the cost of Smart phones and hence their lack of penetration. With a $199 price tag for iPhone 2.0, I think that argument just died.

I'm not sure what's funnier,

The Thread,

or The Avatar.

JMHO.

HeyNow · 06-09-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nrmillions

You will always have to zoom and scroll on an iphone too. its all about branding, it has nothing to do with technology.

Spot-on, hit the nail on the head, perfectly said. You won't see it summed-up any better here.

MJ · 06-09-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -RJ-

iPhone v. MOBI re-hash? Ugh...

iPhone doesn't hurt or help dotMOBI. All it does is create more active mobile users.

I'm not trying to bring up the debate again (I know how they go) but if everyone's phone could access the WWW with awesome phone browsers, nice screen and interface, do you think there would be .mobi?

Do people surf .mobi on computers? No, because we have awesome interfaces. The same thought patteren I'm starting to think with mobile phones - If all of them are becoming high tech, huge screen, fast downloads, full keyboards.. don't know what would happen.

Why continue to dumb stuff down with .mobi (or strip stuff down - terminology) if new technology is coming out and will be better? Why will people still live in the stoneage?

I'm not saying .mobi wont remain around for a while.. there are many 3rd world countries that could benifit from our old technology.

Im just saying focus is shifting. Especially with google in the mix. Google is making an operating system for mobile phones, is buying up airspace from the FCC, and is now an official domain registrar. One has to think what the future holds.

Who knows, one day we might not use domains anymore.. we might have a Google identification tag as our site, phone number, and all our info.

I dont know what I'm saying really - Im not trying to make a point about mobi or not about it (i own some .mobi) Those were just some of my thoughts at the time. Thanks for listening - hope it was good.

hedgefund · 06-09-2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike123106

I'm not trying to bring up the debate again (I know how they go) but if everyone's phone could access the WWW with awesome phone browsers, nice screen and interface, do you think there would be .mobi?

Do people surf .mobi on computers? No, because we have awesome interfaces. The same thought patteren I'm starting to think with mobile phones - If all of them are becoming high tech, huge screen, fast downloads, full keyboards.. don't know what would happen.

Why continue to dumb stuff down with .mobi (or strip stuff down - terminology) if new technology is coming out and will be better? Why will people still live in the stoneage?

I'm not saying .mobi wont remain around for a while.. there are many 3rd world countries that could benifit from our old technology.

Im just saying focus is shifting. Especially with google in the mix. Google is making an operating system for mobile phones, is buying up airspace from the FCC, and is now an official domain registrar. One has to think what the future holds.

Who knows, one day we might not use domains anymore.. we might have a Google identification tag as our site, phone number, and all our info.

I dont know what I'm saying really - Im not trying to make a point about mobi or not about it (i own some .mobi) Those were just some of my thoughts at the time. Thanks for listening - hope it was good.

You are wrong, period. If you care to look at the iPhone web show case:

http://www.apple.com/webapps/

Please tell me which one is a full web site. None, zero. They are all stripped-down mobile sites tailered for iPhones, which is exactly the concept of .mobi.

MJ · 06-09-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hedgefund

You are wrong, period. If you care to look at the iPhone web show case:

http://www.apple.com/webapps/

Please tell me which one is a full web site. None, zero. They are all stripped-down mobile sites tailed for iPhones, which is exactly the concept of .mobi.

Wrong how? Your apple webapps confirm what I was saying: that .mobi are stipped down, dumbed down sites focusing on the main content.

I'm going to assume you meant I am wrong in the fact that we should look toward the future and see what it holds because it's too early to determin the fate of .mobi.

I am also going to assume you meant I was wrong that google is planning on launching its own phone service.

Thanks for the new info, I will have to do more research on this subject, maybe the major news networks were wrong. I am not the authoritative expert on these subjects therefore I am unable to say if someone is right or wrong, period.

Even if it's not about being right or wrong, just sharing my thoughts.

binaryman · 06-09-2008, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

One of the biggest arguments for the sustainability of this lame extension has been the cost of Smart phones and hence their lack of penetration. With a $199 price tag for iPhone 2.0, I think that argument just died.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7443543.stm

You sound like a lame duck. Now quack off.

Yelo · 06-09-2008, 08:59 PM

..so I shut off the TV rather wishing I could have seen Celtics' Leon Powe dunk (I've been a fan since he was a McDonald's highschool player); around 5-10 minutes later it seemed, I think to turn it back on and they were talking about Powe's Dr. J slam! I missed it!

Kind Regards,

Yelo

RJ · 06-09-2008, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike123106

Quote:

Originally Posted by -RJ-

iPhone v. MOBI re-hash? Ugh...

iPhone doesn't hurt or help dotMOBI. All it does is create more active mobile users.

I'm not trying to bring up the debate again (I know how they go) but if everyone's phone could access the WWW with awesome phone browsers, nice screen and interface, do you think there would be .mobi?

Do people surf .mobi on computers? No, because we have awesome interfaces. The same thought patteren I'm starting to think with mobile phones - If all of them are becoming high tech, huge screen, fast downloads, full keyboards.. don't know what would happen.

Why continue to dumb stuff down with .mobi (or strip stuff down - terminology) if new technology is coming out and will be better? Why will people still live in the stoneage?

There are aspects about the iPhone that both increase and decrease the need for mobile-designed sites.

With the iPhone you're still limited to an extent by the interface and connection speed, so there is some room still for sites designed specifically for mobile devices (and .MOBI by extension). But as you say, the iPhone is perfectly capable of handling most regular websites. I think these factors are a wash as far as the dotMOBI TLD is concerned.

The real exciting news is how great sites designed specifically for iPhone will be. Will any of these use .MOBI?

mediaadvantages · 06-09-2008, 10:31 PM

Too be honest. I kind of like it when I go to a .mobi site on my iTouch and it fits the screen perfectly without having to scroll around, zoom in, scroll more to try and find the information I'm looking for. Seems like a hastle to do this with the majority of .coms.

I don't think Apples presentation of load times was a good decision when you are discussing .coms. Here...let me post it for you.

If I worked for Apple and was telling people that you had to wait an average of 21 seconds for a .com site to load, I would be ashamed to even print that statistic. Yeah it's better than 33 seconds or 34 seconds. But, it takes a .mobi 5-10 seconds to load and thats not using 3G. I think the iPhone is great but if a site is taking that long to load then I move on and consider that site un-user friendly.

Well...its not letting me paste it in here. So if you are interested in seeing it search for the presentation.

Rubber Duck · 06-09-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by zerolu

dont think that iphone will achieve that though since blackberries are still dominating the market maybe other devices will

That's not the point. The price point of Smart Phones has just halved.

scandiman · 06-09-2008, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

That's not the point. The price point of Smart Phones has just halved.

Excellent! More mobile web users on the way!

06-09-2008, 02:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Yelo Love God Love Life Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: mIlkCaNDY.name Posts: 1,052 80.00 NP$ (Donate)	hi all! ..so I shut off the TV rather wishing I could have seen Celtics' Leon Powe dunk (I've been a fan since he was a McDonald's highschool player); around 5-10 minutes later it seemed, I think to turn it back on and they were talking about Powe's Dr. J slam! I missed it! Kind Regards, Yelo __________________ Hi, I may be found [MOD EDIT: LINK TO COMPETING DOMAIN FORUM REMOVED]here[/URL] and possibly here, soon.. "Yesterday's Dream" Last edited by Yelo; 06-09-2008 at 09:41 PM.

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mediaadvantages NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 180 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Too be honest. I kind of like it when I go to a .mobi site on my iTouch and it fits the screen perfectly without having to scroll around, zoom in, scroll more to try and find the information I'm looking for. Seems like a hastle to do this with the majority of .coms. I don't think Apples presentation of load times was a good decision when you are discussing .coms. Here...let me post it for you. If I worked for Apple and was telling people that you had to wait an average of 21 seconds for a .com site to load, I would be ashamed to even print that statistic. Yeah it's better than 33 seconds or 34 seconds. But, it takes a .mobi 5-10 seconds to load and thats not using 3G. I think the iPhone is great but if a site is taking that long to load then I move on and consider that site un-user friendly. Well...its not letting me paste it in here. So if you are interested in seeing it search for the presentation. Last edited by mediaadvantages; 06-09-2008 at 10:34 PM.

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bondjpf NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 168 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Why .mobi is buried ? All that matters is content, being mobi , info, ws, whatever...

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Rubber Duck Account Closed Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 714 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Mobi's content was suppose to come from dot Com sites that needed to reconfigure to work in a mobile environment. The argument was that people would still be using dumb phones for years to come. It is clear from the new price ticket that that is not going to be the case. It shows that the competition to grab market share with Smart Phones is going to be very intense indeed. Basically everyone that can afford mobile bandwidth is going to be able to afford a decent mobile browsing device.

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michaeldotcom Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 812 1,577.40 NP$ (Donate)	What does this thread have to do with the general discussion ? There's a .mobi section in NP. It would be nice if all the threads about .mobi could be moved to that section.

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nrmillions Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,752 4.00 NP$ (Donate)	when i invested in .mobi i assumed in the future every phone on earth would be 100x better than the 3g iphone and free so everyone could have one. In Japan mobile phones have already been more advanced than the 3G iphone for a couple years now. This still doesnt change anything and i am happy with my investment. obviously phones will keep getting more advanced. i dont think people bought .mobi thinking that technology would never get better. i have the first iPhone and and will get the 3G one next month and still see huge benefits and differences between using a .com or a .mobi site. You will always have to zoom and scroll on an iphone too. its all about branding, it has nothing to do with technology.

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RJ NamePros Founder Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 13,173 104,201.68 NP$ (Donate)	iPhone v. MOBI re-hash? Ugh... iPhone doesn't hurt or help dotMOBI. All it does is create more active mobile users.

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