VisionEdger

Just by looking at the posts on here and dates its easy to see mobi interest is waning and fast!

Not alot of interest or news on it these days. Another cash grab making the registrars rich again.

Look out domainers, you have been mobied!!!

davidwest

there are a LOT of lower sales too, but many mobis are being developed by big business right now... i think that there is mainly some panic selling and some that are deciding to not be overly greedy... but the tld is probably going to be just fine....


tickets.mobi
$60,000
2008-04-02
TRAFFIC

costumestore.mobi
$1,500
2008-05-15
sedo.com

fragrances.mobi
$11,600
2008-05-14
sedo.com

shows.mobi
$20,000
2008-03-19
moniker.com

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accent

It takes time, more time than people are ready for, to build a new form of internet.
Things are moving as far as I can see, and I am still confident. But it will be several years before we know how this will turn out.

Snoop's point that the more speculative domains are the ones that get thrown overboard (not his metaphor) when the economic weather gets rough is a valid one. No reflection on .Mobi's prospects at all, much more an effect of human psychology.

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acc

Before starting a new thread with such a negative conclusion or even if you are just attempting to be cute or controversial, I would recommend that you get out more into the world of other forums where there is much activity and growing interest in all that is .mobi.

There is one place in particular that is dedicated to the .mobi extension and mobile web. Sorry I can't mention its name directly here because of an arcane rule about mentioning other forums (...in contrast, NP and other forums are referred to freely there...) - so if you are genuinely interested in being fully informed a quick Google search will get you there.

And before parroting the tired old "cash grab" mantra (which is obviously just flat out ridiculous) please just spend a few minutes and visit the dotMobi registry's various websites to see for yourself how much effort and resources are being put back into the mobile world to the benefit of ALL extensions and mobile developers.
http://mtld.mobi
http://dev.mobi
http://ready.mobi
http://deviceatlas.com

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snoop

It takes 5 minutes of looking at recent auctions results to see .mobi interest is waning, I'll think you'll have a tough time convincing people domainers are getting more interested in it.

Work In Progress

The same holds true for all TLD's at this stage..not just mobi
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

It's been said before, but it seems it need be repeated....mobi is not a domainers domain...it's a developers domain. I don't really know of anyone trying to convince domainers to get interested in it. I don't want to sell my mobi's to a domainer. I want and end user to come to me.


The majority of domainers park. Going beyond that is against the norm. DotMobi is against the norm by design. That's pretty much why it's taken so much gruff. "How dare a tld try to be different" cry the domaining world. "Fools gold" say the naysayers.
I call it a pretty darn good potential for a nice ROI. I'm holding my own, thank you very much. I'm watching my traffic rise every month, page rank climbing, getting numerous site reviews and clicks increasing.

As for lack of interest....as acc pointed out...you have to delve elsewhere to bask in the mobiest of news.

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Snoop, we all know you don't like .mobi and attempt to talk it down at every opportunity.

The OP here was attempting to draw a conclusion that general interest in .mobi is waning from observing fewer posts here at NP from months ago and lower sales prices. My point is that there are other places (ahem) where membership is growing and a very lively and healthy discussion of all things .mobi takes place.

In general, prices of domains in ALL extensions have dropped as evidenced in TRAFFIC auctions (For example the sale of OW.com at $125k vs several 2007/2008 LL.coms were selling at $250k+ ... that's a 50%+ drop in something that is supposed to be imminently "gold" and "safe" in domainerland ).

When .com/.net./org name sales or LLLL's get talked about and promoted over and over, well that's just domainers showing interest. But when .mobi proponents post news about new corporate sites going live, it gets dismissed as being "hype". The double standard is obvious. As far as domainers getting more interested or not, that is not as important as end users finding out about .mobi and getting interested in it. That is taking place. You just don't want to hear the news.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482
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accent

I agree with the above answers. In the end what domainers think about .Mobi in 2008 is totally irrelevant. What corporations and web developers who are building the new mobile web as we speak think of .mobi is the critical test -- and .Mobi is doing quite well so far with that audience.

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CureCancer

Who Are you? Another Domainer who failed to lock Virtual Real Estate for Reg fee during landrush, now speaks out against dot mobi! It's foolish of you to even suggest dot mobi is a cash grab. Your mind is to small for this type of investment!!! .com took 20+ years to establish a market, which you are now trading in! Individuals like you, also claimed .com was a cash grab! Just like them, your mind is to small to see the big picture!

The real investment opportunity was during the landrush! I have received numerous offers. Putting me and my wallet in the profit range, you could not even imagine! Why, cause your mind is to small to understand...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

Mobile internet / dot mobi is not for DOMAINERS! Domainers who invested with Brains are sitting and laughing... cause they are in the profit!

Only Domainers who are loosing money, are Domainers who use their wallet instead of their brains! Who in the world would register ......

The point is, dot mobi is focusing on Corporations and NOT YOU DOMAINER!

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snoop

The .mobi fall greater is far greater than the rest of the market. Not sure ow.com would really have got 250k though it is the type of name people aren't spending on I think. You can try and covincing yourself interest in .mobi is growing "elsewhere" but it simply is not he case. .mobi values have fallen by 70-80% from last year.


There is loads of threads claiming llll.com's have been hyped (another category of domains that has seen big falls since last year), so I disagree with what you are saying here.

webecri

You stated: "Not alot of interest or news on it these days"????????

Totally crap! We've seen a lot of BIG brands launching new .mobi sites and branding these too!

Take a look at DNF of Mobility for all this news...

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LOL I sold more .mobi thru private sales this month than any other TLD or IDNs I own...

and im a dot com guy!

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Pred

there is a dedicated forum for mobi which most members are fully involved in.

people got sick of twats and naysayers, i can see a few in this thread, i see they're still here

its why many voted with their feet as nothing constructive was really getting achieved. i post from time to time developed sites getting launched just so those that don't ever leave np actually realise that there are big things happening in the .mobi world. like it or not, it's real

newdomainer.mobi

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482
Snoop... what happened to dotcom values in 2000 - 2002?

What is happening to the economy now?

What is happening to real estate prices now?

What can you do with domains that is the same as what you can do with land? That's right... buy cheap in a recession & sell high during the boom..

There may be a poor aftermarket right now (it depends on whether you're buying or selling) but I can see more going on within the realms of mobile internet than I can anywhere else in this industry...

Point to recall... the domaining industry is, for want of a better term; a parasitic industry that has attached itself to what domains are really all about; providing businesses with domain names...

The trade in those names isn't key to the core business, it's simply a business that has been borne out of another; a bit like any secondary agency trading in commodities, footballers, stamps or pokemon cards for that matter...
The underlying business is not trading domains and every day businesses are buying / registering & building mobile compliant web sites - regardless of the 'current market price' of domains... a business end user cares not if his name is worth $100 or $10,000 - he cares simply that he owns it & can use it.. The same as any listed stock on the NYSE - the share price is just a reflection of market sentiment at that moment in time... domain valuations now sit at levels that Warren Buffet might be happy with (but he only invests in businesses he understands so we won't be seeing him here I doubt)... the same principles apply; now is a good time to buy IF you consider (as I do) that current prices are below their true worth.

It's up to you of course, don't buy - just watch as the prices go up or down & you can either come back & gloat that you were right or you can disappear without having to show your face again if you're wrong.. it's not really very hard to be a critic, it takes balls to stand behind your convictions though & ACT on them...

Just my two cents of course... 'friend'

rocknrollo

i will tell you I think .mobi has no where to go but up. Site Development is comming along and i see new .mobi sites every day. It is about awareness. As more and more people use the web on the phone more and more people will be using .mobi sites.

i am doing my part to spread the word and i would sudgest every other person invested in the extention do the same.

I am ordering 5000 rack cards for the tourists in Boston and they will be at every major tourist location in Boston befor the end of June. With big letters

FreedomTrail.mobi

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snoop

Dot com values tanked during that time, I would say more severely than what has happen to .mobi so far, 90%+ versus 70-80%.

The key difference between .com then and .mobi now is good quality .com had fundamentals in terms of PPC revenue and to a lesser extent, enduser sales. When prices fell heavily there was a genuine opportunity. All .mobi ever really had to keep prices going was domainers speculating on them, there has never been any significant cashflow from outside the industry into .mobi aside from the very low level of enduser sales that are occuring. That is totally different to the .com market of 2002.

newdomainer.mobi

Hi Snoop

I think we agree one some things & not others (which is fine)... there are now some impressive PPC figures coming through from mobile sites; admob is geared up for it along with Google, and numerous other outfits..
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

You & I see the market from different angles; I see the current climate as an opportunity for some good dotmobi buys whereas you're not so sure.. I don't claim to be a visionary but it takes a brave man (or woman) to stand up & say that the mobile internet won't come to anything... dotcom prices just a few years ago 'tanked' and now look at them!

That's how I see it anyhow..

Gary

snoop

Potential traffic from development is not what I mean by fundmentals, these .mobi don't have an intrinsic revenue stream aside from very minimal enduser sales, they aren't businesses in themselves. The traffic needs to be worked for and the situation isn't like the .com market in 2002 where names had fallen greatly in value but still had an inbuilt revenue stream.

Just as well nobody is arguing this then.

PVFARKAS

newdomainer.mobi

SShhh! PVFarkas.... don't give the game away, it's our place - if we get hoardes of tourists over there it'll spoil the ambience ;-)

Still don't get Snoops argument? a dotmobi isn't a business?

Erm?? what is a dotcom domain then? it's a license to use that particular arrangement of characters for a year (or more) that's all... a dotcom domain isn't a business until you build that business; be it a parking page full of PPC links or a ecommerce page or a membership / pay to view site...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

Just the same as any other domain... please explain; maybe I missed something?

The internet is going mobile; traffic will grow massively on the internet across the board but the steepest growth curve will be mobile access.... so what can a dotcom be (as a business) that a dotmobi can't be (according to Snoop?)... I ask out of genuine curiosity by the way... I truly do not understand quite what you're trying to say?

Gary

VisionEdger

Right On! I Luv Pissing Off Domainers With One Simple Statement! Its So Easy To Get You All Riled Up!!

Develop Away Folks And Prove Us Naysayers Wrong!

Mobi Has One Big Thing Going For It, Alot Of Mobi Pushers Just Like You Hoping The World Gets Mobied To The Hilt So Your Portfolio Hopefully Increases In Value. Gambling On A Longshot Hoping Nothing Comes Up From The Rear To Overtake It. Place Your Bet And Hold Your Breath, Maybe Mobi Will Come In And Make Your Dreams Come True! That's A Bet I Am Not Taking As I Pulled Out Of That Race.

As Far As The Big Corps Buying Up Mobis For Their Use, Why Not? They Have The $$$$$$ To Do What They Like Not Because Mobile Is The Rage Or Will Be. They Dont Care If Its .com .net .mobi Or .$%#$ For That Matter. Do You Really Believe These Corps Are Concerned About .mobi In The Whole Scheme Of Things??


OOPS SORRY MY SMALL MIND CANT GRASP YOUR INCREDIBLE INSIGHT BUD!! LET'S HEAR SOME MORE RANTING FROM YOU ALL! I SIMPLY CANT GET ENOUGH.

davidwest

time will tell...

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LOL.
Hmm is it my imagination or does it sound like some naysayers might be a tad bitter.

But I am digressing...anyways, there is a good point that you indirectly made and that is that Big Corporations have the $$$$ and are buying dotMobi for their own use. I'd like to thank VisionEdger for making our point...not only do dotMobi investors see the potential but Big Corporations!

If that isn't reason enough for a new investor to see the true potential of investing in dotMobi- I don't know what is!

The fact that Big Corporations are getting involved in dotMobi, even if it is for their own personal agendas, proves that in the greater scheme of things, dotMobi will prevail, it won't really matter what domainers think, but instead what corporations as end-users, are creating with it. That is also where the new class of domainers (dotMobiers, as you put it) differ from your typical classical domainer. dotMobiers are actively developing, discussing, marketing, advertising, investing, and selling dotMobis. While, some classical domainers just are refusing to see what is coming.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

And while some people may agree that the extension isn't that important, nonetheless Big Corporations see the big picture when it comes to branding the new mobile internet and it has dotMobi all written on it. Its fresh, its new, and its dotMobi.

Well, I must get back to my developing. Its been a pleasure having this discussion with all of you!

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PS, As others have mentioned dotMobi is very actively discussed, just in other forums.

newdomainer.mobi

VisionEdger

If there is one thing that amuses us, it's silly arguments & hot air from people like you... in the real world (where no-one has even heard of a 'domainer' ) there are real people; most of those have a mobile phone which within another 2 years is more likely to be competently internet able....
Those people will be using them to access the mobilenet.

The corporations, unlike backward thinking dotcommers, are looking forward to this & as minor or insignificant a part of their overall business or concern their mobilesite is, you can bet your last dollar that they are concerned about the mobilenet - in the whole scheme of things - What you overlook is that every element of a corporation be it 1% or 5% of the 'big picture' is as important as the next 1% or 5% element.
A corporation is comprised 100% of 1% & 5% elements; each one as important as each tiny cog in a watch; they all help a business to function on multiple levels; so the mobilenet isn't as important as maybe the price of Oil or taxes but I will wager you that the mobilenet is most definitely on the boardroom agenda - in businesses around the globi, all thinking mobi!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=477482

(At least Snoop is an experienced trader with some impressive sales behind him; I respect his stance even though I disagree with him... he has a standing in the domainer community - he's a businessman.... where do you fit in around here? I haven't looked so apologies if you a heavy-hitter in the marketplace but I don't see much sign of that?)

As for me, I'm land-banking.... I have less than a dozen sales under my belt... but I'm not ready to sell yet!

Gary

Steven

Hi newdomainer.mobi,

Here is a food for thought.

If I was to create an online software selling company and want to make this software well known in other parts of the world, I may create the website in multiple languages.
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If my target countries are USA, Korea, China and Japan, shall I
1) buy multiple names (some may be taken in other extensions already) MyWebsite.com, MyWebsite.kr, MyWebsite.cn, MyWebsite.jp ?
or
2) stick with my primary web address and just make subdomain or folder like MyWebsite.com/En, MyWebsite.com/JP, KR.MyWebsite.com, CN.MyWebsite.com ?

There are companies that do 1 or 2.

I think .mobi is here to stay in that regards.

However, unlike the example I've posted above, outcome of .mobi investment depends on browser and phone technology, bandwidth cost, user adoption (.mobi or better browser that can display any site you browse right now on your computer), and better mTLD regulation on the enforcement rules they have created.

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