malwj4atm

Last night (during American Idol, I think).... I saw a commercial for IPhone and in the commercial, they were showing you how easy it is to pull up websites on an IPhone.

The first website that they used to demonstrate this feature was a mobi site (zagat.mobi) and I was so thrilled (mobi exposure!!), BUT then the finger on the commercial tapped the screen of the IPhone to show how quickly the user can pull up a completely different website. They chose to use the JetBlue website for this, which was a .COM site!! (What!?? I used TIVO to back up and freeze on the tv screenshot just to be sure it said .com and not .mobi. It did.)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/432090-i-saw-commercial-last-night-concerned.html

So, why will .mobi be needed if .com can be used????

And, I was JUST getting all excited about the potential future value of a few of the .mobi's that I owned. ={ Is anyone else concerned or am I misunderstanding the point of the mobi?

binaryman

You mean this one? Well that's whats been said all along not so? Why use a .mobi? Better try and sell your .mobi's whilst you still can

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/ap..._r560-9cie.mov

mjnels

im suprised you actually noticed the mobi site without looking for it.. i was wondering how often people would notice that.

when the iphone first came out the naysayers said a .mobi site would never even be used on the iphone because it now makes mobile optimized websites obsolete since it can render most any website viewable (with a little zooming and scrolling)... but now they showcase a .mobi website on an iphone commercial advertised on major network and cable channels - a slap in the face to those who made this insane claim less than a year ago.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090

iphone commercials just like to demonstrate that it can rendle ANY website viewable... but of course something designed to fit the screen is more suitable.

i laugh every time i see that new iphone commercial... how ironic.. if you coulda shown this to some of the naysayers a year ago they would have been dumbstruck.

zambian0

Our investments are a drop in the ocean compared to that guy who bought music.mobi and several other top premium .mobi names, for around $2 million and upwards.

Oh well, maybe sees it the same way.

The way I see it, the .mobi extension will possibly become similar to the .net standing interms conventional internet browsing as opposed to mobile internet browsing, when comparing or competing against the .com.

Still value but just another TLD.


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nuke007

Mobi world is yet to be defined for e-commerce. I guess we will get clear picture in next few years.

MostRecent.mobi - WirelessAreaNetwork.mobi

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davidwest

you land at an airport anywhere in the world. you type in the mobi site of your airport code (printed on your ticket). scroll down to limo, hit enter and your call is put thru and your limo is on the way. perfect for mobi. doable now. everyone here is way ahead on the learning curve of the net. in a few years people will want sites that ARE mobi specific with features that interact with their phone and their gps chips... the mobi time will come....


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has anyone noticed that adsense is now branching into the mobi world???/

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accent

Mobile is a new kind of internet. The uses of Mobile will be very different, in large part, from those of PCs.

.Com is filled-up, the best 60,000,000 domains are taken (more or less).

A .Mobi domain is a chance to brand your website specifically for the mobile web.

Apple has been no fan of mobi - equal time on their commercial is a real coup.

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newdomainer.mobi

Precisely!

meegwell

I think we need a one post sticky outlining the two sides to this issue (there is simply too many posts on it). THis is not that post, since it's only one side...my side

Its important to communicate.

Consider all those crazy flash sites, java apps, popups, popunders, pop-betweens, interactive this and that, cookies, widgets, applets, audio, video, pointer controls, browser behavior controls, security standards, and all the different formats/standards that dictate this craziness that is littered all over the web........

no tool that has to "re-render" sites on the fly will ever be as fast, efficient, and user friendly at delivering information for the user as sites that all conform to a set of ever-evolving standards made for mobile. And consumers will learn this, and consider ".mobi" as their signal giving them comfort about browsing sites on the go, when time and space are limited. <- period.

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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090
Hey Binaryman,
I never know these days if your comments are tongue in cheek or not? The 'worried' poster you replied to is a newbie & probably thought he'd make a quick $100,000 by regging $60 worth of hand regs & then just waiting 6 months before retiring to the Carribbean - truth is, it ain't that easy.... however, the whole point that is constantly over looked is that .mobi isn't necessary at all if you want a mobile web site..

any extension will do as long as you build a compliant site... now assuming that we accept that .com is pretty much taken as being the extension of choice for business on the web today... why would anyone want to make a desk top site fully compliant? It doesn't make for such a grand 'big screen' experience...
So if that same company want to make a compliant site (a secondary web presence) then lets make the assumption that they won't be going for a .net or .org or .biz or .tv or m.site.com or site.com/mobile when there is the obvious & currently inexpensive option of .mobi - why? Because .mobi will become synonymous with the mobile web..

site.com/mobile is the 2nd most likely route to succeed but it may end up just being used as a side by side play with .mobi
(I can think of no reason why on earth any business would actually choose not to use .mobi even if it was simply as an aside to the m.site or .com/mobile - at the end of the day sites want to catch traffic & they will probably use all routes to start with but I'd have a bet with anyone that the .mobi will be the one that is synonymous with the mobile web - given that there will quite possible be more compliant sites than non-compliant sites in 10years time - it stands to reason that .com could lose ground to .mobi to such an extent that .mobi may be on a par with .com one day... I'll not make that 'a claim' rather just a possibility but I certainly see .mobi as the extension of choice for the mobile web...

Don't argue with me now... that's futile; just come back in 5 years time & you can either congratulate me for my foresight or commiserate me on my poor judgement..

I know which one my monies on!

binaryman

Oh I agree fully...You know me by now I hate being serious.

davieboy

No, I disagree. Mobile specific browsers such as Operamini already offer this option. They re-render the .com, as text-only 'fit to page' (no side scrolling) in seconds for about 10kb. Or, if you want to see a bit more/are on wifi, set your options to include images/dynamic images etc

That's the problem. The options they provide.. .mobi only caters to the very lowest option available. Mobile internet is trying to move fast beyond it.

As much as .mobi wants to please those that only have small screens, so also do all the mobile browser and operating systems out there.. ( opera, android, symbian ). Mobi wants to cut it down to the absolute limit to make their users happy, all the others are trying to include as much 'normal web experience' as they can, user dictated with options as to what and when you want to do.

'Text-only' for the airport, the full monty 'bells n whistles' option for lying in bed at night casually browsing sites like Amazon and Ebay with pics AND secure payment options via Paypal should you decide to 'buy it now'. All on your little 2 inch screen.

Our .Mobi's have no scope BUT to cater for sloooow older phones, the unsure newbies who have never tried the internet via their phone, and those who've never heard of wifi or 'internet included' cheap data plans on phones.

All of the above targeted users for .mobi will NOT be around long. Not when phones like the iPhone and N95 offer so much versatility, power and memory, and mobile specific browsers are so completely focused on shrinking down the .coms for easy viewing should you wish.. or.. the full thing rendered on 2 inches in 2 secs.

Yes, there's is problem unfortunately with .mobi as it is . In essence, technology is moving too quickly for .mobi's to be user-friendly for very long. The mobile specific operating systems and browsers are moving on at an astonishing rate. As are the phones (including wifi) and the phone companies (offering unlimited data plans for an extra £5 a month). All concentrating on presenting the .com's in a mobile friendly way.

Mobi's from within their no choice constraints try to do the same, a quick, simple web page. Which is great and however you want to argue about which is 'better' the aim remains. A nice and viewable webpage ?

However, since the .com's are what the end-user is more used to, that's where they'll go as soon as they take delivery of that new shiny powerful phone with built in wifi and a nice free mobile browser to make the .com pages free/cheap, easily browsable and FAST.

Where will .mobi fit in then ?

thebiffenator

Number 1... Never compare a .mobi to a .com, because .com is King!

Number 2... .Mobi's can be more then a simple site www.modified.mobi www.ipad.mobi www.pilot.mobi

Number 3... There is a reason for .mobi "mobiile friendly sites that people will trust" thats probably why alot of the major corporations are jumping on the "bandwagon" I mean if it is useless why Disney, espn, National Geographic and many many more MAJOR global companies using .mobi as there standard for their mobile address?

No Offense to any other extensions, I got a bunch of them as well, but their useless compared to a ".com"??? Is that the main issue, saying that a .com can do that as well? We all know the answer, but with 4 billion cell phones and the mobile web starting to take off (especialu google with android, verizon opening up their doors and the list goes on...., I would say .mobi is a safer bet then anything else, besides a .com or .net! (Welcome to the mobile world) and .mobi is right in the middle of the action...right where it should be at this time!

.mobi serves a "Real Purpose" for an extension....(And the first of its kind...for a "The New Era" of the internet) And all .mobi is trying to say is...Hello I am friendly on your mobile phone and it works!

Browsers or no browsers, it is the end user on their mobile phone that will decide this outcome.

Biff

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garrett200

How many times do we have to go over this same argument?

.mobi is a specialized extension that has its place in the mobile web, and it's getting more popular every month. End of story!

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Keith

I guess we'll cover the subject as long as newbies want answers.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090

There are also countless threads that cover the subject in depth
if they are up to the research.

davieboy

Yes it will. And here's a selection of end-users. All women posters on a pregnancy forum. Standard Invision forum with shoutbox installed. Hardly going mad looking for simple sites to view are they ?

"This is brilliant - I've just discovered I can access the xxxxxxxx website from my blackberry, not only read it but post too, see profiles, everything. OMIGOD I am going to be on here 24 by 7 now............"

"I can access xxxxxxxx from my Nokia N95 (minus the shoutbox)... It truly rocks! I have a deal on 3 in the UK which means I pay £5 a month and get unlimited web-browsing, which is good because I spend a hell a lot of time travelling, I'm not sure I would be able to cope not being able to check my ebay auctions once every hour "
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090

"I get to xxxxxxxx just fine on my Blackberry and I am soooooo grateful! It is my crack! "

"Hey there, I'm on 3 too and have no probs seeing xxxxxxxx on my phone.it's a Nokia N73, but I do recall when I first got it with its unlimited internet access that if I tried to access the internet through "services" it didn't perform very well. However accessing the internet through "web" and there are no problems at all. I do have it set to 'fit to page' which means everything loads fairly quickly and minimises scrolling."


"Yeah, I was going to say, I'm on 3 and I have no problem accessing xxxxxxxx.Infact, after the site update I can now see the shoutbox, yay! Hope you get your phone sorted. "
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090

"I have the I-Phone and can get on xxxxxxx's from it.
I love how my e-mails also go to my phone so if i am not home i can still answer them"

"I think I spend most of my xxxxxxx time using my phone. In fact I think I stumbled across xxxxxxx's using my phone! I love this little thing! the built in web broswer is pretty simple to use and loads fast. I can see the shout box just fine, everything else works wonderfuly!
My brother gave me his palm 755 (he got an Iphone). Since then it's been an extenion of my hand. "



I'm not going to get into this any more. I want .mobi to do well, but I feel a lot of you are blinkered to the alternatives out there being developed now. Fact is that no-one much knows that .mobi's exist. My fear is that by the time they do, and the rate promotion is going it could take a while.. that the technology will have long since surpassed it in terms of what end-users are used to. I mean c'mon people, these quotes are taken from a group of 30 something moms ! None of them are complaining in the slightest about what they are seeing on their screens. The site is far from .mobi standards. It's a fully functioning and busy, standard forum.
No-one, as indicated above and was suggested to me in another thread, has to be some kind of techno-geek any more to know how to view sites on their phone today.

I guess folks viewing .mobi sites IS getting more 'popular' as mobile access to the net does. But, I wonder just how that comparison would compare to how 'popular' the .com (etc) sites are ALSO gaining via mobile use ?

Now that IS one to ponder. I (IMHO) think you should when you view your investement in .mobi, what it means and how blinkered people can be when ( are you a mod ? I do apologise but), people bluntly say '.mobi is getting 'more popular, end of story'. It's simply not taking the full picture into consideration. Is the general web getting more popular too ? or is it JUST .mobi's. That's important to research.

I'll leave this for now, I've made my personal concerns clear and I don't want to keep going over old ground or upsetting mods.

mjnels

really its both that are getting popular.. websites optimized for a small screen and the internet on mobile devices in general.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090

i speculate the reason people do not complain about the layout of most websites now is that its still pretty damn cool that you can even render a full sized page readable on a mobile device... people are still taken in with the "wow factor." this is brand new stuff still..


whether the .mobi TLD will "succeed" as a whole is debatable... but whether there is a demand for "mobile websites" in general is a whole lot less debatable.. this includes websites designed for small screens, location based services, and just things in the mobile context in general.

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garrett200

Not upsetting me. Just pointing out that the market tells the story here. If there was no market for .mobi, all these domains and compliant sites would be worthless, but they're not. Domains are increasing in value, and there are more .mobi sites being used and coming online each day. It is gaining in popularity, and there is no disputing that.

The market speaks, and it's not just crazy .mobi fanatics keeping this market afloat. Some of the best and biggest domain name investors in the world are taking this seriously and spending big money on this extension. I'll bet my money alongside those guys.

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davieboy

I did too. I also put my money where my mouth is. It's just my own experiences browsing on a tiny N80 screen on the last year, and then getting wifi in our household has got me researching, trialing whats out there in terms of browsers and what I can do on that tiny little screen... really looking at what .mobi offers in comparison. It's worrying. The small screen concept. Worrying unless things change. That's all.

I hope we all do well out of it. That's why I bought. But a vested interest shouldn't blind anyone to the realities of the technology advances that might affect it negatively. We should be well informed of them !

And finally, bowing out of the debate, I rest my case.

Because the above is the whole point of 'general web access v's going to a .mobi instead'. Damn cool to render a full page .com readable, yes it is, and I know from personal experience, simple, free, easily browsable too. I visit and read here (the .com version) mostly from my phone.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090

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NewWorldArk

It shouldn't scare anyone off either.

Technology or not, nothing changes the simple connection
that everyone associates with dotCom ----> PC Based Websites.

Just as dotMobi will simply be associated with Mobile Based Websites.

Word Association is how were all able to communicate and understand one another. Connecting words that have an actual correlation to everything that we've learned and are aware of in life has worked quite effectively for quite some time.

It's not what dotCom can do on your mobile phone,
It's what dotMobi is designed to,
and will always (with word association) be Connected to.

cityforums.com

I think .TV would be great extension for mobile ... possible BETTER than .mobi for some domains ... afterall what is the iphone but a small TV.

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garrett200

The whole thing that everyone is debating here, whether this extension is "useful" or not, may not even matter in the end.

Slowly but surely, .mobi is starting to be associated with the mobile web, and useful sites are being produced that give the user what they are looking for.

The user doesn't care about all this techie stuff that we sit here and debate about. If they get a site they like and can use, and it happens to be a .mobi, that is going to stick in their head the next time they go use the mobile web.

When the general public gets it in their head that .mobi = mobile web, the extension is going to be a huge success. Small screen/large screen, mobile compliant/non-mobile compliant, safari browser/other browser, none of it is going to matter.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090

I think MTLD probably knew this going in. If they can somehow get this into the world conciousness, it is going to be a success no matter what.

If it's no longer "useful" under the original restrictions that MTLD set up, they'll just drop the requirements.

.net and .org are still around, despite their original purposes being a distant memory by now. I really don't think this is going to be any different. .Mobi is here to stay regardless of what the technology does.

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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=432090
no, the whole point is both.. you are thinking about this as the full web vs. the mobile web.... that really doesnt even involve the .mobi TLD specifically.

you need to be able to access all the full sized web pages AND when people get over the "wow factor" that you can actually access the web on a mobile device, there is going to be mobile innovation.... websites SUITED for the small screen.

zooming and scrolling from side to side - reminds me of most of the cheesy clip-art websites of the 90's.

i know from personal experience as well... i have an iphone.

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drjeff

Lets be realistic ...

ANY domain - dotcom, dotnet, dotmobi, ANY EXTENSION, can have a website optimized to view in a mobile phone.

Dot Com is like living in a fantastic penthouse apartment ina highrise overlooking Central Park in New York City.

Dot-anything-else is anywhere between living in a tent to living in the bottom floor of that highrise.

Sure, you can live in a tent, and get along nicely.

And your website at .mobi can work well too.

BUT - most people would rather live in luxury and have the dot com name.

My 2 cents worth

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mjnels

there is often 2 separate arguments going on without people even realizing it half the time.. people get a bit confused.

they say "we dont need .mobi because browsers that allow you to access full web pages exist"

if a person feels that way, that should not be the argument.... it should be "we dont need ANYTHING optimized for the mobile web because its possible to access the full sized page."



the issue of the .mobi TLD itself is totally separate... arguing that .mobi is obsolete because its made-for-small-screen is a bad argument.. that carries with it the notion that all websites made for a small screen are now obsolete whether they are on .com, .net .whatever (and yes the iphone has a small screen)
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..and this is clearly not the trend.

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