.mobi potentially 2nd to .com

namewaiter · 12-09-2007, 11:01 AM

am i missing something here ... .mobi has just over a year of existance and sales history, but from the looks of it - it ranks right up there with all the extensions, exluding .com.

not sure what is going to be the outcome of the recent sedo debacle, but if it stands as is ... .mobi will now have the highest dollar figure tied to a sale of a domain outside of .com? even if they don't go through, .mobi stats still rank very well.

http://www.soldnames.com/top/mobi/

a look at .mobi sales IF these recent auctions go through as is...
top sale 616K and 10 over 100K

a comparison to the others listed...

.net
top sale 454K and 7 over 100K

.org
top sale 198K (in 2003) and 4 over 100K

.info
top sale 116K and only 1 over 100K

.biz
top sale 15K - none over 15K even

.tv
top sale 600K and 4 over 100K (all in 2003)

.us
top sale 75K - none over 75K

all of them contain great keywords, and i know other extensions have had some successful sales, but the site only lists .com, .net, .info, .org, .biz, .mobi, .us and .tv. you can check out all the sales histories using the links at the top of the page.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/404984-mobi-potentially-2nd-to-com.html

just really shocking if these are indeed a true summary of all sales throughout the years, regardless of whether the recent 3 .mobi sales count.

jagusa · 12-09-2007, 11:13 AM

If that site is accurate, the two highest mobis from the recent sale will list in the top 100 highest priced public sales ever. Wow.

In high priced sales, it looks like .mobi won't potentially be second, it will be a fact. It'll really get the old guard riled up when .mobi starts outselling .com (with respect to single high-priced sales). That might happen for a short period -- desirable coms have been locked up for a long time, and the mobi auctions offer an avenue to acquire outstanding names.

Jeff · 12-09-2007, 11:22 AM

"Sales" primarily by or between Usual Suspects™ with, then, parking pages and no substantial compelling content / developments for those that are "on the go" ... does not bode well for the .MOBI extension's future, IMHO.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

Which of the premium - and more generic / keyword than any of the other sales stats obove mentioned, I'm sure - domains having been auctioned via Sedo, etc. have completed, verified transactions with Buyers who have, or are, developing at this time? IYHO's.

It should be about the "ecosystem", and not continual comparisons with other extensions (particularly .COM's) and "sales prices" (especially in light of the current issues with both Sedo and mTLD)!

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

jagusa · 12-09-2007, 11:36 AM

Doesn't matter. There's now been two separate auctions where these names garnered over $100,000 prices. Content doesn't matter. Ecosystem doesn't matter. A good name is a good name. Just like if I owned: http://music.now. No one may have ever heard of this extension, but it would be easy to market regardless of any other activity of other sites -- and it would make lots of sense to consumers.

Mobi's going to have to evolve with technology (autodetecting devices, new human interfaces, etc) for it to be valuable. If it does, it will be a good investment. If it doesn't, then these people are wasting money.

It's reasonable to compare dollars with dollars, though it may be uncomfortable for those who are seeing a change in the domaining market -- and that's not just from dot mobi, but from the many other miscellaneous tlds coming down the line.

Originally Posted by Jeff

"Sales" primarily by or between Usual Suspects™ ...

...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

It should be about the "ecosystem", and not continual comparisons with other extensions...

stscac · 12-09-2007, 11:56 AM

.mobi in .mobi section, please.......

-Steve

namewaiter · 12-09-2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by stscac

.mobi in .mobi section, please.......
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

-Steve

why? it is about all the listed extensions ... we can have threads that .mobi streak in 07 is an illusion and will end in '08, but can't have this thread, with actual sales results, listed in general domain discussion?

smashfactory · 12-09-2007, 02:43 PM

are the names that were sold at auction regged and owned by someone, or where they premiums held back- never been owned?

jagusa · 12-09-2007, 02:51 PM

Sold directly from the .mobi registry -- in many respects, similar to .tv premiums (but without premium renewal pricing). I wonder how .tv would be doing if they dropped the premium renewal pricing and auctioned their best like .mobi. Personally, I think you would see some incredibly high prices.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

I think it's likely that many of the new registries are likely to extend this tld launch business model further by capturing dropping premiums for later auction (as opposed to letting them be grabbed by standard dropcatchers). Consolidate dropping premiums for later larger-scale auctioning --- Consider this my domaining prediction for 2008/2009.

Originally Posted by smashfactory

are the names that were sold at auction regged and owned by someone, or where they premiums held back- never been owned?

smashfactory · 12-09-2007, 02:56 PM

unfortunatly the buyer of news.tv was not reported- i assume they want to stay hidden at the moment- but it was listed at $500,000.00 and was bought and we know they negotiated the renewal much lower- demand media has been known to negotiate the renewal- it is a shame because these premiums being bought would be listed right up there :-(

jagusa · 12-09-2007, 03:06 PM

Getting .tv recorded as sales is just a matter of branding. The .tv premium registry guys should work to remedy this. Otherwise, the premium renewals are somewhat akin to a subscription, and that's very hard to describe and compare with a single concrete sale price.

snoop · 12-09-2007, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by namewaiter

.mobi will now have the highest dollar figure tied to a sale of a domain outside of .com?

"Poker.de sells for $940000 USD"

smashfactory · 12-09-2007, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by jagusa

Getting .tv recorded as sales is just a matter of branding. The .tv premium registry guys should work to remedy this. Otherwise, the premium renewals are somewhat akin to a subscription, and that's very hard to describe and compare with a single concrete sale price.

believe me, i agree! i have no idea why demand would not report these sales- if news.tv did in fact sell for 500,000.00, you would think they would want to report that and the other premiums that have sold. its hard when people say, well, show me big tv sales, and they are there, but you cant show it! good for mobi! glad they are showing of their successes!

noonoo1 · 12-09-2007, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by smashfactory

unfortunatly the buyer of news.tv was not reported- i assume they want to stay hidden at the moment- but it was listed at $500,000.00 and was bought and we know they negotiated the renewal much lower- demand media has been known to negotiate the renewal- it is a shame because these premiums being bought would be listed right up there :-(

Dnjournal didnt list the .mobi i bought in June for over $8000.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

I emailed them but they didnt want to know, they didnt have the courtesy to email me back.

jagusa · 12-09-2007, 04:32 PM

Such an email could easily be captured in a spam filter (or be overlooked). I'm sure they would have been interested. Regards!

Originally Posted by noonoo1

Dnjournal didnt list the .mobi i bought in June for over $8000.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

I emailed them but they didnt want to know, they didnt have the courtesy to email me back.

smashfactory · 12-09-2007, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by noonoo1

Dnjournal didnt list the .mobi i bought in June for over $8000.

I emailed them but they didnt want to know, they didnt have the courtesy to email me back.

it wasnt dnjournal that didnt list it, it was demand media who fails to report it-

you should email ron again! i am sure he will add it!

sashas · 12-09-2007, 09:00 PM

as long as the sales are between domainers, it doesn't matter. Reel in some Real End Users and I'll be convinced. Its all speculation at the moment. mTLD waited long enough for the hype to be strong, and then auctioned off most of the premium names within a few weeks.

qO_Op · 12-09-2007, 09:10 PM

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allnicksgone · 12-09-2007, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by sashas

mTLD waited long enough for the hype to be strong, and then auctioned off most of the premium names within a few weeks.

I believe there are over 5,000 premiums. I think about 400 have been auctioned in the last few weeks. That is not "most".
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

http://mtld.mobi/system/files/Premiu..._19_Sep_07.pdf

Sam · 12-21-2007, 07:28 PM

Poker.de - $900,000+
Nav.no - $700,000+
Hotels.eu - $300,000+

Do you think Hotels.mobi would fetch $300,000?

Does this make .eu more valuable then .mobi? Using high sales as a barometer of an extension's success is quite comical.

.ASIA will probably make some high end sales (100,000+), doesn't mean it will be a huge flop.

There are another 150+ tlds out there.

Try some

worldstar · 12-22-2007, 06:49 AM

in the future: net>com>mobi

owntype · 12-22-2007, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by worldstar

in the future: net>com>mobi

Do you mean dropping rate?

(joking)

nametrekker · 12-22-2007, 11:03 AM

If "Mobi" just plays second fiddle to DOTCOM, that will be sweet music to many of the "Mobis' ears -- will MOBI ever take the baton from DOTCOM? Not a chance --- but I can see it surpass net, biz, info and org by the end of 2008, if the extension gains enormous momentum and wider development and adoption rate? Of course, that's a big IF

sashas · 12-22-2007, 11:12 AM

IF actual end users start buying premium names and develop them. So far, all premium names (barring a couple) are in the hands of domainers and mTLD

Mobi Cheap · 12-22-2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by sashas

IF actual end users start buying premium names and develop them. So far, all premium names (barring a couple) are in the hands of domainers and mTLD

IF that is true Sashas (and coming from you in such a categorical statement I have to assume it's an established fact) then it sounds like there is a lot of potential there.

Which is what most of us are saying: No guarantees, but big potential.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

PolarBear · 12-22-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by sashas

So far, all premium names (barring a couple) are in the hands of domainers and mTLD

Yes that may be true for generic names. But we must not forget that a huge number of companies own .mobi names registered as trademarks before landrush.

So when time comes (in 2008?) to join the mobile web will they choose

mobile.companyname.com
m.companyname.com
or
companyname.mobi (the shortest one!)

Then of course, some people say that they might go for auto detection instead. The problem with that, I believe, is that all mobile devices are different. Some have rather large screens while others must have a tiny screen size to fit into a shirt pocket. But with auto detection the user of the device can't choose if he wants to visit the full site with all bells and whistles or browse a slim and fast-loading mobile site. Instead the site somehow decides that for him!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984

Isn't it then much better to let the owner of the device (who knows its specifications and knows what information he is searching for) select what version of the site he wants to see by either going to companyname.com or companyname.mobi?

12-09-2007, 11:01 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
namewaiter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: cleveland Posts: 2,196	.mobi potentially 2nd to .com am i missing something here ... .mobi has just over a year of existance and sales history, but from the looks of it - it ranks right up there with all the extensions, exluding .com. not sure what is going to be the outcome of the recent sedo debacle, but if it stands as is ... .mobi will now have the highest dollar figure tied to a sale of a domain outside of .com? even if they don't go through, .mobi stats still rank very well. http://www.soldnames.com/top/mobi/ a look at .mobi sales IF these recent auctions go through as is... top sale 616K and 10 over 100K a comparison to the others listed... .net top sale 454K and 7 over 100K .org top sale 198K (in 2003) and 4 over 100K .info top sale 116K and only 1 over 100K .biz top sale 15K - none over 15K even .tv top sale 600K and 4 over 100K (all in 2003) .us top sale 75K - none over 75K all of them contain great keywords, and i know other extensions have had some successful sales, but the site only lists .com, .net, .info, .org, .biz, .mobi, .us and .tv. you can check out all the sales histories using the links at the top of the page. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/404984-mobi-potentially-2nd-to-com.html just really shocking if these are indeed a true summary of all sales throughout the years, regardless of whether the recent 3 .mobi sales count. __________________ MAKE AN OFFER: pals.tv \| grilling.tv \| wardrobe.tv \| selfhelp.tv \| barnyard.tv \| understand.tv \| fsbo.pro \| propane.pro \| bulk.pro \| almamater.us \| motown.us

12-09-2007, 11:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
jagusa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,272	If that site is accurate, the two highest mobis from the recent sale will list in the top 100 highest priced public sales ever. Wow. In high priced sales, it looks like .mobi won't potentially be second, it will be a fact. It'll really get the old guard riled up when .mobi starts outselling .com (with respect to single high-priced sales). That might happen for a short period -- desirable coms have been locked up for a long time, and the mobi auctions offer an avenue to acquire outstanding names. __________________ Hi! Last edited by jagusa; 12-09-2007 at 03:15 PM.

12-09-2007, 11:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jeff Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Winter Break© Posts: 29,526	"Sales" primarily by or between Usual Suspects™ with, then, parking pages and no substantial compelling content / developments for those that are "on the go" ... does not bode well for the .MOBI extension's future, IMHO. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=404984 Which of the premium - and more generic / keyword than any of the other sales stats obove mentioned, I'm sure - domains having been auctioned via Sedo, etc. have completed, verified transactions with Buyers who have, or are, developing at this time? IYHO's. It should be about the "ecosystem", and not continual comparisons with other extensions (particularly .COM's) and "sales prices" (especially in light of the current issues with both Sedo and mTLD)! Just my two sense. -Jeff __________________ Be cool. Be polite. Be professional.™

12-09-2007, 02:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
smashfactory Domain Goddess Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,101	are the names that were sold at auction regged and owned by someone, or where they premiums held back- never been owned? __________________ BOO!

12-09-2007, 02:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
smashfactory Domain Goddess Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,101	unfortunatly the buyer of news.tv was not reported- i assume they want to stay hidden at the moment- but it was listed at $500,000.00 and was bought and we know they negotiated the renewal much lower- demand media has been known to negotiate the renewal- it is a shame because these premiums being bought would be listed right up there :-( __________________ BOO!

12-09-2007, 11:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
stscac A Wealth of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,809	.mobi in .mobi section, please....... -Steve

12-09-2007, 03:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
jagusa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,272	Getting .tv recorded as sales is just a matter of branding. The .tv premium registry guys should work to remedy this. Otherwise, the premium renewals are somewhat akin to a subscription, and that's very hard to describe and compare with a single concrete sale price. __________________ Hi!

12-09-2007, 09:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
sashas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jaipur, India Posts: 3,119	as long as the sales are between domainers, it doesn't matter. Reel in some Real End Users and I'll be convinced. Its all speculation at the moment. mTLD waited long enough for the hype to be strong, and then auctioned off most of the premium names within a few weeks.

12-09-2007, 09:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
qO_Op Namepros Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,177	edit Last edited by qO_Op; 12-09-2007 at 09:30 PM.

12-21-2007, 07:28 PM	#19 (permalink)
Sam Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,435	Poker.de - $900,000+ Nav.no - $700,000+ Hotels.eu - $300,000+ Do you think Hotels.mobi would fetch $300,000? Does this make .eu more valuable then .mobi? Using high sales as a barometer of an extension's success is quite comical. .ASIA will probably make some high end sales (100,000+), doesn't mean it will be a huge flop. There are another 150+ tlds out there. Try some __________________ SPECIAL: The World's BEST Single Letter Domain Sale! Lowest single letter price on the market! Starting at $799

12-22-2007, 06:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
worldstar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,440	in the future: net>com>mobi __________________ txh.org e-gu.com juzhe.com hotlearning.com

12-22-2007, 11:03 AM	#22 (permalink)
nametrekker NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 248	If "Mobi" just plays second fiddle to DOTCOM, that will be sweet music to many of the "Mobis' ears -- will MOBI ever take the baton from DOTCOM? Not a chance --- but I can see it surpass net, biz, info and org by the end of 2008, if the extension gains enormous momentum and wider development and adoption rate? Of course, that's a big IF

12-22-2007, 11:12 AM	#23 (permalink)
sashas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jaipur, India Posts: 3,119	IF actual end users start buying premium names and develop them. So far, all premium names (barring a couple) are in the hands of domainers and mTLD

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