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Old 11-13-2007, 01:46 PM THREAD STARTER               #1 (permalink)
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Bottom line is that you can’t even have a rational conversation with most .mobi investors any more. It’s madness, and its making me sick!
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Bottom line is that you can’t even have a rational conversation with most .mobi investors any more. It’s madness, and its making me sick!
Hey, the more the merrier!

Thank you equity78, I must admit I find this one rather entertaining, although not as good as some of the original ones.
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Just a sample:

"It’s a freaking extension. If marketers promote it, investors will probably make money. If not, investors better hope they aren’t holding the bag like many of the speculators who bought names in other little used extensions. I don’t want to hear any more about bofa, disney, skype….etc. None of that means squat for 99.5% of the .mobi names that were registered based on speculation."

There is specualtion in a new domain extension?

We can't have that!

And Elliot says he doesn't want to hear about certain aspects of the equation, so we should really stop talking about those.

Thankfully we have many others that we are still allowed to discuss - until further notice from Elliot.
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I know who appointed this guy anything. It is kind of like a circle jerk when you all pat each other on the back and say the same things from Frank to Sahar to Jay to Owen to Elliot. And I own two .mobi domains so I am not a mobian. I just think it is nonsense when you have no interest in an extension to talk about it all the time in a negative light. I mean I do not own any .ws but I would not say .ws sucks because I am sure there are some making money and have interest in the extension.
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The old saying needs an update...

Blogs are like a**holes, everybody's got one.

Having a blog does not make anybody's opinion any more legitimate.
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Originally Posted by equity78
I know who appointed this guy anything. It is kind of like a circle jerk when you all pat each other on the back and say the same things from Frank to Sahar to Jay to Owen to Elliot. And I own two .mobi domains so I am not a mobian.
There is plenty of people on the other side of the fence, are they circle jerking as well?

Originally Posted by equity78
I just think it is nonsense when you have no interest in an extension to talk about it all the time in a negative light. I mean I do not own any .ws but I would not say .ws sucks because I am sure there are some making money and have interest in the extension.
Not many people who own names in an extension are likely to make negative comments. For a start if the thought it was a bad extension they probably wouldn't own any. For anyone who likes to give their opinion about domains I would say it makes complete sense to make negative comments about an extension you don't own.
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Snoop you just sound like a shill, and yes it is an absolute waste of time to pontificate about something you have no interest in even bigger waste to champion them
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Originally Posted by allnicksgone
The old saying needs an update...

Blogs are like a**holes, everybody's got one.

Having a blog does not make anybody's opinion any more legitimate.
Exactly - I agree 100% with the above. What I wrote is my opinion and only my opinion.

Originally Posted by equity78
I know who appointed this guy anything. It is kind of like a circle jerk when you all pat each other on the back and say the same things from Frank to Sahar to Jay to Owen to Elliot. And I own two .mobi domains so I am not a mobian. I just think it is nonsense when you have no interest in an extension to talk about it all the time in a negative light. I mean I do not own any .ws but I would not say .ws sucks because I am sure there are some making money and have interest in the extension.
Nobody appointed me anything. I choose to write my opinion, and if people want to read it, great. Sometimes my opinion differs from others and that is the beauty about the domain biz. There are tons of opportunities out there and people can choose whatever niche they wish to make money.

I would rather not waste my time reading or discussing the merits of an extension.

BTW, the only other time I mentioned .mobi on my blog was in a positive post that led to this thread on NamePros "Elliot Silver talks positive on mobi"
(http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/384...ghlight=elliot)

I am not anti-.mobi - just sick of hearing the same argument over and over.

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap
And Elliot says he doesn't want to hear about certain aspects of the equation, so we should really stop talking about those.

Thankfully we have many others that we are still allowed to discuss - until further notice from Elliot.
You can talk all you want about it. I am personally sick of hearing about .mobi names. Just because I don't want to hear about it doesn't mean you can't talk about it til your heart's content.
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Bottom line is that time will tell. I would be just as happy if .mobi takes off - it won't really impact me.
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Originally Posted by EJS
Exactly - I agree 100% with the above. What I wrote is my opinion and only my opinion.


Nobody appointed me anything. I choose to write my opinion, and if people want to read it, great. Sometimes my opinion differs from others and that is the beauty about the domain biz. There are tons of opportunities out there and people can choose whatever niche they wish to make money.

I would rather not waste my time reading or discussing the merits of an extension.

BTW, the only other time I mentioned .mobi on my blog was in a positive post that led to this thread on NamePros "Elliot Silver talks positive on mobi"
(http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/384...ghlight=elliot)

I am not anti-.mobi - just sick of hearing the same argument over and over.


You can talk all you want about it. I am personally sick of hearing about .mobi names. Just because I don't want to hear about it doesn't mean you can't talk about it til your heart's content.

Bottom line is that time will tell. I would be just as happy if .mobi takes off - it won't really impact me.
Hey Elliot, that's good enough for me.

I didn't realize you are a member here, otherwise I wouldn't have poked fun at you before PM'ing you first.

It's only when people pass judgement on other people's choices without a real opportunity for discussion that I feel it's not a fair fight.

Now that we can have a proper debate I'm happy to leave it to you to choose if and when you want to hear any new arguments.

Either way - as you say - time will tell!
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It may sound strange, but I think all of this "mainstream domainer" bashing is a good thing. Eventually, people have to wonder...when it all comes down to it, it's a matter of mass acceptance. When your high school daughter and all her friends use a few good .mobi sites and make the connection that .mobi means its going to work on their cell (regardless of the argument that it doesn't have to be a .mobi)...and they start putting .mobi into their teenage lingo vocabulary and so on and so on....it's all marketing, and gaining acceptance. The more that understand the goal (.mobi = dedicated mobile site), the better.
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When "popular" domainers are getting fed up about all the hype to the point that they start blogging about it...many of their followers learn about what .mobi is...and regardless of whether they "join" in the goal or not...some will and thats a good thing for .mobi.

Big companies promoting .mobi this early in the game is just gravy at this point. Although good gravy I must say. And when you step back and take a look at the big picture, this is actually a surprising situation.

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great way to get targetted traffic to your site though!
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Originally Posted by VisionEdger
great way to get targetted traffic to your site though!

what way?
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what way?
He got us talking about his blog here. His target is domainers. Cha-ching, more traffic.
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ahhh, um, duh.
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Originally Posted by allnicksgone
He got us talking about his blog here. His target is domainers. Cha-ching, more traffic.
I have 0 advertisements on my blog, no adsense, no banners...etc. Excess traffic doesn't drive revenue for me. I didn't post a link to my blog. I am responding to someone else's post.
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Originally Posted by EJS
I have 0 advertisements on my blog, no adsense, no banners...etc. Excess traffic doesn't drive revenue for me. I didn't post a link to my blog. I am responding to someone else's post.
No, I didn't mean your response here. I respect your blog and you posting here to defend it. I just mean that by blogging against .mobi supporters, they will naturally be drawn to your site. Nothing wrong with that. I didn't look at your blog until now and did not realize it had no ads. You should consider putting some up.
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Originally Posted by allnicksgone
No, I didn't mean your response here. I respect your blog and you posting here to defend it. I just mean that by blogging against .mobi supporters, they will naturally be drawn to your site. Nothing wrong with that. I didn't look at your blog until now and did not realize it had no ads. You should consider putting some up.
I had them up for a couple weeks, but domain investors don't click.
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I blog because I love talking about and discussing domain names. My friends like hearing me talk about domain names like I enjoy the .mobi talk :-)
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Originally Posted by EJS
I had them up for a couple weeks, but domain investors don't click.

I blog because I love talking about and discussing domain names. My friends like hearing me talk about domain names like I enjoy the .mobi talk :-)

Kudos EJS, I think I'll go check out your blog
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>>"# David Carter Says:
November 11th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
It’s a non-issue for me. If ou like the extension and think you’ll profit from it, go get some names. If you don’t, don’t.
Personally, I didn’t. I’m with Sahar on this one and am quite happy to get egg on my face over it.
I didn’t buy any Microsoft or Google stock when it was launched either."

He missed the boat with Google and Microsoft and he still hasn't learnt anything yet...


"BTW: mortgage.com will never make it to the ‘liability’ column…. like the $10 Billion in bad mortgages Citi group just had to write down.
It will always be an ‘asset’ and it will never be a ‘liability’."

Wow. I wish I could speak like that. But I am always cautious using the words "always" and "never", for some reason...


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I had them up for a couple weeks, but domain investors don't click.
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I blog because I love talking about and discussing domain names. My friends like hearing me talk about domain names like I enjoy the .mobi talk :-)
You say that you enjoy the .mobi talk but in your post you said that you don't want to hear anymore of this "freaking" extension? What's the story?

Recently another person you interviewed said that "Yesterday Jay at DomainTools Blog also raises some important questions" seemingly to support his argument but in the next post the same blogger said that "Jay made an honest mistake". Also this same person said that ".mobi sucks" and he "doesn't own any .mobi" and in his next post he says that "(Jay) showed a little surprise when I mentioned Rick, myself, and some group who heavily bidded on .mobi"...

What's the deal here?
It is easy to win any argument if you are in both positions at the same time
With all due respect to those involved, I don't understand what's going on...anyone cares to explain me what you guys mean in your blogs?

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Originally Posted by skeitel
You say that you enjoy the .mobi talk but in your post you said that you don't want to hear anymore of this "freaking" extension? What's the story?
Sorry... I was being sarcastic. My friends (who are in other professions) are tired of listening me talk about domain names, hence my comparison. My blog is my outlet to talk about the domain biz.
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Originally Posted by equity78
I know who appointed this guy anything. It is kind of like a circle jerk when you all pat each other on the back and say the same things from Frank to Sahar to Jay to Owen to Elliot. And I own two .mobi domains so I am not a mobian. I just think it is nonsense when you have no interest in an extension to talk about it all the time in a negative light. I mean I do not own any .ws but I would not say .ws sucks because I am sure there are some making money and have interest in the extension.
I put together a level-headed pro-Mobi case on Elliot's blog, but he rejected it. Evidently, childish Elliot believes in squelching and censoring reasoned discussion. I will shun him.
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I put together a level-headed pro-Mobi case on Elliot's blog, but he rejected it. Evidently, childish Elliot believes in squelching and censoring reasoned discussion. I will shun him.

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Assuming you are "Anthony," you posted the exact same thing on the other blogs as well. The only post I didn't publish is the one below because I read the same thing on the other blogs:

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The .mobiphobics have been pouring their ill-will and hatred into .mobi since Day 1.
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Elliot, if someone is punching you, you have to punch them back.

Just because you watch an abused person(.mobi investors/developers) strike back at their abuser(.mobiphobics) does not mean the abused person(.mobi investors/developers) is guilty. The .mobi investors are only defending their developments/investments.

Day after day the .mobi antagonists have waged war against the mTLD. I have received several mean spirited, threatening PM’s just for simply posting news with respect to the dotMobi namespace.

IMO… Many holding .net, .org, .info property feel very threatened by MOBI, thenew, accomplished, popular kid onthe block. So in turn, they (the anti-mobi group) collectively lash out and kick sand around(rumormonger, bad-mouth) to blur the truth about thenew, accomplished, popular guy, MOBI.

I hear the phrases “smoke and mirrors,” “not needed” parroted around to describe dotMobi.

Question: How can said statements be true when the following Facts exist only 14 months after the birth of dotMobi?:

1.) Major endusers are developing, promoting and/or marketing their brands using the .mobi extension:

Banking:
BofA.mobi (Bank of America)
Deutsche-Bank.mobi
Wachovia.mobi
Barclays.mobi

Insurance:
Ing.mobi
StateFarm.mobi
AXA.mobi

Hotels:
Marriott.mobi
Hilton.mobi

Car Manufacturers:
Ferrari.mobi
BMW.mobi
Rolls-Royce.mobi
FordCA.mobi (Ford Canada)

Transportation:
Amtrak.mobi
AAA.mobi (American Automobile Association)

Sports:
ESPN.mobi
NBA.mobi
WNBA.mobi

Magazines:
Time.mobi (Time Magazine)
BusinessWeek.mobi
CNNMoney.mobi

Alcohol:
Smirnoff.mobi

Internet:
MSN.mobi
GoDaddy.mobi / TDNAM.mobi

Technology:
Cisco.mobi
3Next.mobi

News:
FoxNews.mobi
AlJazeera.mobi
TBS.mobi

Newspapers:
TheSun.mobi

Guides:
Zagat.mobi

Mobile Operators:
T-Mobile.mobi
Three.mobi
Vodafone.mobi
TIM.mobi
Orange.mobi

Mobile Manufacturers:
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Nokia.mobi
SonyEricsson.mobi

Disney's High School Musical: HSM2.mobi

Telecommunications:
Ericsson.mobi
3Skype.mobi

Weather:
Weather.mobi (The Weather Channel)

Cities:
Helsinki.mobi

Airlines:
SAS.mobi

Clothing:
Polo.mobi
Quikstore.mobi (Quiksilver)
BenettonPress.mobi (United Colors of Benetton)

Airports:
Schiphol.mobi (Amsterdam)

and Apple showcases several dotMobi sites on iPhone.com

2.) Major dotMobi Sales in 2007 (NO conspiracy theories in 2007, just 06, right Elliot, everything kosher in 2007)

2007 Sedo Auctions:
SportsBook.mobi $126,000
hosting.mobi $101,000
taxi.mobi $ 75,111
dating.mobi $ 73,000
homes.mobi $ 53,700
motels.mobi $ 47,000
hotel.mobi $ 46,000
date.mobi $ 40,000
adult.mobi $ 30,000
kiss.mobi $ 23,777
flights.mobi $ 22,500
holidays.mobi $ 22,500
bank.mobi $51,501
download.mobi $51,500
currency.mobi $47,000
insurance.mobi $42,005

2007 TRAFFIC Auctions:
poker.mobi - 150,000
ringtones.mobi - 145,000
news.mobi - 110,000
shopping.mobi - 55,000
email.mobi - 50,000
scores.mobi - 33,000
buy.mobi - 32,500
podcast.mobi - 25,000
cash.mobi - 12,500
pda.mobi - 8,000
zipcodes.mobi - 8,000
bill.mobi - 3,000

Moreover, all said and future Auction winners MUST develop actual websites with rich content (NO Parking Pages)

3.) Edelman Agency is dotMobi’s PR & Advertising Agency. (Edelman's clients include UPS, Orange, MySpace, Heineken, GE, Microsoft) The .net/.org./info gang does not have this prestigious, Harvardesque Ad/PR Agency outfit advancing their namespace around the world….so sadly, envy exists.

Live and let live.

-Anthony
Just because I am sick of hearing about .mobi doesn't mean squat. I am sure there are bloggers out there who enjoy talking about .mobi. I am one person who doesn't.

I wish .mobi investors the best because some of my industry friends are .mobi investors. I still believe it will be a success if marketers choose to use it for their brands and promote it so consumers know what it is.
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I hear the old Jim Jones "Vacation Camp" is available for Lease in Guyana ... But I wouldn't suggest drinking the Mobi Punch myself ....

If you guys want to be taken more seriously - May I suggest you stop posting/quoting what "Others" are doing or have done with their .mobi domains And start showing what "YOU" are doing. Every post here or elsewhere looks like you are all trying to build a Directory of other peoples work for goodness sakes.
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In order to promote it now - You'll need to get more Devs up by "YOU" folks - Not set back and watch major Corps do it. The decent hand regs were gone long ago more than likely (Even stated so by many of you) - So to keep promoting it in the forums is just causing Newbies to reg junk and waste money IMO ....

You all complain when someone says something negative towards .mobi - Yet , You don't complain when one of you start a thread Asking, Provoking, and even Practically Begging someone to come in and say something negative .... Elliot was minding his own business on His own blog - You guys made it an issue.

This sections "Attacks" had started dying down a bit (Give or take the IDN'ers coming in recently to stir the Crap) .... But I really don't think most of you guys even want a "Serene" enviroment in here myself. Perhaps some are worried it will fade into the background without the "Hostility" and emotions Perhaps thats the same reason the IDN'ers showed back up as well ..
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I hear the old Jim Jones "Vacation Camp" is available for Lease in Guyana ... But I wouldn't suggest drinking the Mobi Punch myself ....

If you guys want to be taken more seriously - May I suggest you stop posting/quoting what "Others" are doing or have done with their .mobi domains And start showing what "YOU" are doing. Every post here or elsewhere looks like you are all trying to build a Directory of other peoples work for goodness sakes.
In order to promote it now - You'll need to get more Devs up by "YOU" folks - Not set back and watch major Corps do it. The decent hand regs were gone long ago more than likely (Even stated so by many of you) - So to keep promoting it in the forums is just causing Newbies to reg junk and waste money IMO ....

You all complain when someone says something negative towards .mobi - Yet , You don't complain when one of you start a thread Asking, Provoking, and even Practically Begging someone to come in and say something negative .... Elliot was minding his own business on His own blog - You guys made it an issue.

This sections "Attacks" had started dying down a bit (Give or take the IDN'ers coming in recently to stir the Crap) .... But I really don't think most of you guys even want a "Serene" enviroment in here myself. Perhaps some are worried it will fade into the background without the "Hostility" and emotions Perhaps thats the same reason the IDN'ers showed back up as well ..
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Despite the fact I'm not a fan of this extension .. I DO NOT want to see people lose their investment(s). This or any extension out there will be "Made" by the Masses , Not by a few Sponsors/Big time investors/corporations.
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